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FFRF Sucks v1 by genkistamps FFRF Sucks v1 by genkistamps
(WARNING: TL;DR ahead. I'm in a ranty mood. As usual.)

I will make no bones about it; I think the Freedom from Religion Foundation is the biggest group of hypocrites on the planet next to the Westboro Baptist Church. And normally I don't use the word hypocrite to describe anyone because it's a totally dead word but here it applies.

They're in court suing over religious references every day of the week than ends in Y and for what? To protect freedom of speech? Maybe you didn't notice, numbnuts, but by telling people that they can't say something IS AGAINST FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Read the Constitution, dolts. You sure enjoy twisting the First Amendment to fit your needs and use it to oppress everyone else.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

So there you go. Feel free to not believe or stay home and sleep in on Sundays. You can't tell us what we can and cannot believe in or what we can and cannot do with regards to our beliefs. I'll wear a damn cross to my job or classes if I want to, and you can't stop me.

No, I'm not defending rabid Christians, they make me look bad. Do I think the "fundies" need to tone down their bigotry? Yes and no. I don't like what they have to say, but the Constitution says they can say it, and it also says that I can say I don't like it. We all win.
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:iconjackmcford:
JackMcFord Featured By Owner Edited Sep 7, 2017  Student General Artist
Imagine the Westboro Baptist Church and Freedom From Religion Foundation fist-fighting each other. :XD:
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LiquidSquidz Featured By Owner Jul 24, 2017   General Artist
They recently had a cross torn down from a grave. Fuck Rebecca Market.
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paleosir Featured By Owner May 17, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Indeed.
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Rebelspecter7 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2016
So true!
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DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner May 12, 2016  Student Writer
Sorry but generally "militant" atheists aren't as bad as militant religious people.

I don't hate religious people but still...the militantly religious are much more likely to harm and discriminate against people and use violence than most militant atheists. Militant atheists are usually just in your face about your beliefs. While I can see how that's unpleasant for some people I don't think that questioning people's beliefs and being edgy are as bad as blowing up shit.
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Show me one instance of an Atheist suicide bombing. Then you would have a point.
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SilverBeastLaguz Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I've seen their website and disagreed with some of their stuff; and I'm an atheist.
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K-O-T-E Featured By Owner May 4, 2015  Student General Artist
I'd love to murder fundies...
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2015  Professional Photographer
So clearly that's not the answer
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K-O-T-E Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Student General Artist
Whatever, I don't care what you think
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animedisneyluver809 Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015
All I'm saying, is if the forefathers saw our country now, they'd revolt. Obama is treating the declaration like it's toilet paper.
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PyramidHead90 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015
How?  Shoot Mel Gibson if i'm wrong, but aren't laws that restrict religious freedoms of minority groups and blatantly ignore the separation of church and state more frequently a problem of the growing fringe-right that's been tearing the Republicans apart?
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animedisneyluver809 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015
The separation of church and state was never in the constitution. The phrase was coined in 1947 as "a wall of separartion between church and state". The establishment clause actually something along the lines that there is no state religion. That's the reason the settlers left from England in the first place. And about Obama. He is trying to rid of the second amendment. Even if we do restrict guns, criminals will find other ways to get them (hello, Mexico!).
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PyramidHead90 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2015
The separation of church and state was a phrase that has existed for a while but first appeared in our own history in 1802 in a letter written by Thomas Jefferson referring to a wall of separation between church and state and cited the Establishment Clause in the First Amendment.  The Establishment Clause clearly states the government cannot pass any laws or make any action that favors a religion, and this is because a large number of American settlers were part of minority religions being persecuted by the Church of England or the papalcy.  That case you cited wasn't the first instance of separation of church and state, it was when it was ruled that the establishment clause applied to state governments, not just the federal government.  Something some states have yet to get through their skulls as we still have a problem with members of government demanding some form of religious litmus test for elected officials.

You are also very, very, VERY wrong about Obama.  The "DEMOCRATS WANT TO TAKE OUR GUNS" bullshit has been little more than a conspiracy theory used by the right to rile up stupid voters.  Obama has taken no actions against the second amendment.  Reducing the number of activated guns in the American market is not a violation of the second amendment.  Banning certain models for civilian use isn't a violation of that amendment.  Nor is restricting access to criminals or people who are clearly acting suspicious.
You're also dead wrong about the way criminals get guns.  A majority of the absurdly high number of gun crimes in the U.S were carried out with legally acquired firearms.  The U.S gun market is badly regulated and very bloated, with so many guns in circulation that it's impossible to track them.  It's easier to get a gun than it is to get a car in America, and with the lunatics of the NRA lobbying against measurements like tracking gun purchases, again because of that paranoid delusion of "THE LEFT WANTS MY GUNS!!" there's no solution in sight for America's problem with it's gun market.
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"I'll wear a damn cross to my job or classes if I want to, and you can't stop me."

Actually they can & will. If its outside of the dress code then they may very well stop you from wearing it & would be within their rights to do so.
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015
"The fundies they hate" include Muslim gunmen who massacre over cartoons.

I can't count the number of "militant atheists" committing similar crimes. :roll:
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
There was that one time that radical atheist posted a triggering video on YouTube mocking Jesus and Mohammed. Damn those radical atheists! 
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016
curse themmmm
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:iconcutestsith:
CutestSith Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
We've been foiled again. Quick! To the atheist cave!
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:iconlimnoria:
Limnoria Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016
Run awayyy!!!
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner Edited Mar 7, 2015   Digital Artist
I know this is an old comment, but here:

"I can't count the number of "militant atheists" committing similar crimes. :roll:"- listverse.com/2010/06/05/10-pe…

I'd give it a look.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
You probably have heard this a thousand times but none of those people "did it" because of atheism. Atheism was not their prime goal or motivation for their actions. Say for example its not a fair comparison since to equate Napoleon with someone like Osama Bin Laden since they both have different goals and reasons. Though I think the article lied about Napoleon since one of his quotes from his schoolboy says is "In my family we only bow before God." Before throwing up on his teacher's shoes.
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2016   Digital Artist
If they did it to remove religion, then they did for secular atheism. This argument was already debunked by Encyclopaedia Dramtica
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Edited Feb 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
As someone who edits ED why the fuck are you using is it as "your source?" I mean I know its a funny site but ts not exactly where one wants to get their arguments from. 
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2016   Digital Artist
I'm not saying it's my source, I'm saying that ED debunked that argument in atheism page.
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
And therefore you are using it as your source :\ . You do see your logic right? I mean I could pull up the Islam or Christian page on ED and just show you the exact opposite 
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fuckshiru Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2016   Digital Artist
That's irrelevant though, because I not saying that to those people haven't did anything wrong.
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Mar 7, 2015
I did. 
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
And its the same old arguments. Usually throwing Communists and fascist in the mix for good measure. 
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2016
That's why I didn't deign him with more than two words as a reply. XD
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
There is no such thing as a militant atheist. It's literally an oxymoron in our culture.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Edited May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
They are all over the place, they may not be true atheists but do not deny their existence. I don't dent the existence of Christian extremists
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Not sorry, but that's just straight up wrong. There is no such thing as a militant atheist. An atheist is someone who doesn't believe in any god claim, there isn way to do that in a militant fashion.

I think you may be talking about anti-theists, which are people who oppose religion, which is not the same thing as an atheist.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I must say that people like Stalin and Mao count as militant atheists, in fact communism in general could be described as such.

However you do bring up an excellent point
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matthew-lane Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"I must say that people like Stalin and Mao count as militant atheists, "

No they count as communists who wanted to replace all extant power structures with the state. That had nothing to do with not believing in a god, it had to do with wanting no opposition to the own power structure. At worst you can call them anti-theists as there actions had nothing to do with a lack of belief in a god, which is as we've already discussed, is what constitutes atheism.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Fair enough
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Limnoria Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2015
Exactly.  Which is why I can't count them.  I don't have a finger to represent "zero".
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2014  Professional Photographer
You left out any information of substance for use to decide whether or not that group has overstepped, so I had to look into what they're actually doing. 

In state where I live, they're fighting an $18.25 million in tax incentive for a Christian theme park called the Ark Encounter.  The language in the park's job application that every prospective employee "be saved" and the whole thing is designed to convert people.  Now it's freedom of expression to build something like that, but not with millions of dollars of my tax money.

So don't be a "numbnut"
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
The government wastes money anyway, I don't think a Christian theme park is any less foolish
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Briannabater Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2015  Professional Photographer
So rather than spend money on schools that teach real history and science, you want millions of my tax dollars to go to an organization dedicated to convincing children that dinosaurs lived alongside humans and that they should give the church more money to avoid being burned for eternity after death.  Just wow. 
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Datum sounds good
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TheCrossoverer89 Featured By Owner Oct 6, 2014
As my grandfather once said "there's all kinds of crazies that don't know what the Hell their talking about"
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A-Rolls-Royce Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2014
FFRF is nothing more than a Liberal Hate Group. They should be taken for what they're worth: nothing.
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Chiminix Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2014
I am reminded of a quote by Reagan: "The Constitution was never meant to prevent people from praying; its declared purpose was to protect their freedom to pray."
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Amen
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Robotic-Mind Featured By Owner Apr 16, 2015
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SpetsnazKaz Featured By Owner Mar 26, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
They want to abolish Christmas, the most celebrated and joyous holiday in the world, in America.
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Corvus-the-Snark Featured By Owner May 22, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
So the Grinch is their leader?
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Infinite-Worlds Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
If you are working for the government and representing it, you do NOT have the right to make religious references while appearing in that capacity. That is what the FFRF are suing over the majority of the time.
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Orangecraz Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2014
I'm really just assuming. The artist is a bit generic. You're right that government officials shouldn't represent their religion over their country since, that's their job.
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