She has magical powers (That she's not even aware of) She's super athletic, super smart and bawws about not being a specail snowflake. It doesn't really help that Koizumi usually talks Kyon out of preventing Haruhi from doing whatever she pleases.
I wouldn't put Harry on because of how much he screws up... look at the fifth book, he KILLS Sirius because he's an idiot and gung ho and doesn't take a second to breathe and think of an alternative. He doesn't do it himself, but the whole situation could have been prevented. Or OMG SNAPE IS TOTALLY THE BAD GUY for all seven of the books with the refusal to even consider he was not all bad. Same with Malfoy. And the horcruxes. And look how much of an ass he is to his friends, need I say capslock!Harry? So yeah, he has flaws, one of them cost him someone who was family to him... Is he maybe a little too perfect? Maybe, but it's also ALL about him. The story is WHY he's more interesting than say Jane Brown, fourth year hufflepuff.
But I am a big fan, so I have to admit I have rose tinted glasses. But I don't think he's the worse offender in CanonSues not like oh say... BELLA FREAKING SWAN Everyone loves her despite her being a bitch and generally not that likable, she doesn't do that much but then becomes SUPER PRETTY AND IS SUPER SPECIAL. Same with Nessie, and Edward for that matter.
The Powerpuff Girls (Powerpuff Girls)- They have almost every single super power their is, every but the villains love them (okay, so maybe this one is understandable since they save the town from impending doom on a daily basis, but you would think some people would be skeptical), they win every time, and they have little to no flaws in their personalities other than Buttercup's short temper and Bubbles's naivety.
Sousuke Aizen (Bleach)- First of all, he has one of most ridiculously powerful abilities I've ever heard of: complete hypnosis, meaning he can control all five of a person's senses and completely screw with their head in battle, and even with out them he is still more powerful than the most of the other characters. Not only that, but he's ridiculously smart, thinks everything through to the last detail, and as much as a gentleman can get despite being a diabolical and murderous megalomaniac. It's like he's some bad James Bond villian.
Itachi Uchiha (Naruto)- That's right fan girls, your precious little Itachi-kun is a Gary-Stu. Okay, so I like him too (not in a fangirlish way, but still), buts there's no denying it: He's was a member of an ultra powerful clan and even for them he was powerful, everyone fears and/or respects him including people who are equally or even more powerful than him, he's a bishonen, and after he died all of his actions were justified because he was really trying to save the world from his mentally insane grandpa.
You're right about Harry! I also haven't helped but notice that Elizabeth Swann is a potc Mary Sue:
+ She is beautiful and most of the men in the trilogy have the hots for her (one even mistaking her for a goddess). Yet despite living on ship with very little hygiene, she maintains surprisingly clear skin and un-greasy hair.
+ She picks up new skills quick- she had one year of sword lessons from Will Turner, and all of a sudden she was the 18th century equivalent of Beatrix Kiddo. Not to mention she occasionally travels on a ship then all of a sudden she knows all the nautical terms.
+ She has no scars from the many battles she's bested. Not even the immortal cursed crew could land a shot.
+ She's now an orphan (boo-hoo) and has a regal descendants: she lives in Port ROYAL as the governor's ONLY daughter, then later becomes KING of the pirates (not Queen, King).
+She is easily forgiven for her actions; no one bats an eyelid to the fact she snogged Jack Sparrow, thrn left him to a grim death because she was "thinking of everyone else"
Gaah, I could rant about this for ages, but I'm winding myself up. Well done on your findings!
I don't read much, but my sister found one in a book called 'Dragon Singer' the main character is 100% Mary-Sue and is perfect at everything
Also, Harry does have flaws, he's not a perfect person. In book 3 he acted a bit murderous at the end, and in book 5 he has a serious anger problem. But I do see what you mean about him being a bit of a Gary-Stu.
An amusing topic. But I think you should steer clear of calling comic book superheroes "Mary Sues" just because, by nature, most superheroes have to be Mary Sues. That is, they originated that way, not that they necessarily are today.
And Harry Potter's scar is on his forehead, by the way. I think his status as a Mary Sue ("Gary Stu") is debatable, but he certainly does fit the criteria.
Hmm..... I can't recall anything I've read lately. Grrrrr, frustrating. But I did buy this one random manga on a whim called "Snow Drop" and was rather unpleasantly surprisede at how much of a Mary Sue the main male character is. "He's soooo popular, and he always gets good grades, and so nice, and sooooooooo good-looking, and all of us looooove him! His only flaw is he doesn't have a girlfriend." And it gets worse from there. "This marble is very precious to me. It belonged to my *sob* dead brother. His dream was to be a pilot, but he died, so I'm gonna live that dream for him! But I can't, because I have to spend all my time working to take care of my poor sick mother." Boo. Fricking. Hoo.
And what does your sig say? It's driving me crazy. Something about inside something something and the symbol for stone but with another symbol... Enlightenment please?
Oh well, shoujou manga often has these criterias: the romantic male lead is good-looking, tall, popular, a bad boy, is smart, doesn't have a girlfriend and has a dead brother whose memory saddens him. That seems to be the male ideal for girls, no?
Yes, I suppose I did kind of ask for Mary-Sue overload when I bought it. And yes, that certainly is the male ideal, I'd refuse to date any guy unless he meets all of those criteria.
I won't debate Harry Stu with you (I am guilty of being too big a fan of the series), but I do want to say that that is one funny piece you've got there. I just meant that it's debatable, more because I don't think Harry has the typical 'Sue' personality, but he definitely fits the rest! I love putting original characters through the Litmus Test.
Thanks for the translation, I just started taking Japanese at my school, but the only kanji there I recognized was 'naka.' If I hadn't recognized any of 'em I probably wouldn't have cared, but when you can see one word, you just gotta know the rest.
I think Neo of 'The Matrix' fame is a definite Gary Stu. His personality is nonexistant, which can fit the whole 'perfect' idea in a roundabout way, Trinity loves him for no discernable reason other than that he's the main character, he's 'The One,' and can do cool stuff...
I prefer this test: [link] Only because it applies solely to original characters. Though it sucks because you have to tally the points yourself.
Yes, I've noticed a tendency for Litmus Tests to go overboard and list any sort of development as being too Mary-Sue. One of my original characters got a really high score, but he's definitely not a Gary Stu. He just shares some traits, but it was all background, like tragic past and whatnot. Sometimes you need a tragic past to make it interesting. But taking the test is still fun, I like to see which of my characters is the highest. (I once got a negative score. I'm still proud.)
I liked what Wikipedia had to say: [link] Reading about Mary Sues never ceases to amuse me.
A good non-Mary Sue must be happy, have had a very relaxing background, be ugly, know no arts or technics or fighting, languages (except english), be fat, be uncompetitive, be silent, related to nobody, have a very common name, have plain dark hair with plain dark eyes, be ungraceful, never get mixed with important characters, be a coward, stay home.