I remember that one guy who frequented the forums all the time, would say something outrageously stupid, then backed up his points with, "I'M AN ART TEACHER, I KNOW WAY MORE ABOUT IT THAN YOU!" Most desperate and flawed attempt at succeeding in an argument... Ever.
Critique IS telling someone what you think, but in a polite and civil manner. However, polite and civil does NOT mean they have to be nice.
In my English classes in school, both highschool and college, whenever I got someone's writing assignments for peer review, I'd read every single bit of it and always carry a red colored pencil. I'd mark the HELL out of someone's rough draft and mercilessly point out every typo, grammar error, and wording problem I could find and write a lot of notes on the side with suggestions on how to make it flow better, make more sense, or just in general... suck less. People often thought I was a bitch for it, but those who followed my suggestions usually got a B or an A on their assignment when they might have gotten a C or a D otherwise. How do I know this? A few of them actually came up and thanked me for it. I even did it to my best friend at the time, even though she was and still is a better writer than I am and got a higher percentage in the class than I did at the end.
With my papers, I wish people would have taken the time to do the same, because I know that my writing often wasn't as good as it could be because of the fact that it's almost impossible to find errors in something I've created. There's a psychological reason for it, but I forget what it's called... but regardless, that's why editors exist, because chances are the first, second, or even third drafts of anything are always going to be subpar and need revision. I did good in my English classes, particularly in the writings of essays and stories, but I really wish someone would have had the balls to really read my stuff, tear it to hell, tape a few notes on it, and then show me what I needed to improve on.
Same goes for art... I only have maybe 2 or 3 people who watch me who'd be willing to actually look at my pictures, tear them to hell, show me what's wrong, and suggest on how to fix it, and unfortunately they're not on all that much. I would love it if a graphic designer who had been in the field for even 5 years came by my gallery and cared enough to give me honest and truthful critique. Even if they had art that I would call 'worse' than mine... they still have the experience that I don't have.
So, critiquing is not about being nice and telling someone their work and/or style is good when there is room for improvement. It's about being honest and pointing out the flaws and how to fix them in a mature and civil manner. It doesn't even have to point out the good in a drawing or what the artist is doing right, granted people who CAN include compliments along with the flaws are usually paid more attention to since doing so is considered to be 'nicer'.
The exact same thing happens to me when I do peer review. My friends in high school were thankful for it, because I was merciless with my red pen (and they would openly admit that they needed some brutal proofreading and revision), but my college English department buddies are completely shocked by it because I'm completely truthful about what sucks and what doesn't. So I can't get a proper reviewer for my own stuff, because all the people I know here are so focused on being inoffensive that they won't tell me exactly what's wrong with my stuff.
(And now I'm very tempted to ask you to revise my currently nonexistant creative writing assignments.)
So you're telling me that even though you know nothing about me, you're not trying to understand my previous works, and disregarding pretty much my entire line of history, you can properly and accurately critique my complete concept on the piece, tell me what I think about life, and, ignoring the color schemes, tells me that it would look better otherwise?
Uh, yeah, pretty much.
Art should be able to stand on its own. You're not always going to be standing beside your painting, anxiously defending it against any viewer who dares to find fault with it.
Sometimes you will disagree with critique. That is okay. You are allowed to not like what people say about your precious creations. You are even allowed not to follow advice given to you about the execution thereof.
However, not liking a comment doesn't make that comment any less valid. And putting your art out in the public sphere--of a class critique, or a gallery showing, or even on the internet--is offering that art up for comment. If you don't want comment and critique, don't show your works to anyone but yourself.
overdoing it in a critique to sound godly= bad.
(from what i've gathered) naruto in leather has a concept=wrong. sorry, but it's hard to concieve one after putting "naruto" in there.
we with art degrees (in the next few years if i'm lucky) shouldn't be pompous. YOU should be your own worst critic and no one else. and if all esle fails just say "its a statement against the esablishment/govt./society/the art world/ all of the above." of course... most art kiddos know that joke so... oh well.
if they know the art terms, why is it a problem if they use it? and if it's a valid critique (not just saying it sucks, but what about it is off) then it's all fair game. if you just want cute comments, say so
and despite popular belief, not all people who are art students pull that shit around like it really means anything, however, if they do have valuable enough field experience it wouldn't hurt to take it into consideration for later
If you ever want to persue a career in art, you'll have to take all the critique that you can get. I wish I could get more critique, to be honest - especially from somebody who's already enrolled in an art university whereas I am not.
It doesn't matter how you "feel" about the critique or not, that's what the criticiser thinks, and might as well be what your client thinks too. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.
I'd say if you really want critique, DA isn't the place for you. DA tends to be bursting at the seams with "omg kawaii like ur special efefcts dodge filturs desu" and other pointless praising. I'd suggest conceptart.org if you're really looking for critique.
Technically it was a thread for critique, and by saying you don't care if you get any basically demotes the whole purpose of the thread. There were other non-critique threads in the forum that you could have posted in as well. Also, you broke the rules by posting three thumbs horizontally instead of two thumbs vertically.
Well excuuuuuuuuse me for not reading Every. Single. Post. that has been made in this thread. The thumbshare thread you complain of offered critique and nothing else. It was all about critique and you barged in saying "You don't have to critique if you don't want to. I'm just here to adverise my art" If you didn't care whether or not you got critique, why would you go into a critique thread with that sort of amiguity and then complain when the OP yells at you?
No, I'm saying (basically regurgitating what someone else already told you in that thread) that you have to follow the rule of each thread and by saying you don't want critique in a thread designed for CRITIQUE it demeans the purpose. If you want to advertise your art for the sole purpose of advertisement go to the proper thread or make your own.
I can't tell if I agree with you or not. Um. I agree that an art degree in whatever doesn't make you the supreme god of art. And if you come from MY school, I'll be even less likely to trust your opinion. And I also agree about actually having an interest in the art they are critiquing. And that art is not all about technical skills. But... all of it kinda mixes togerther.. and the execution of a piece does rely on the concept and the technical aspects working together.
And also.. a little secret... you don't have to take critique... You can listen to it, and take from it what you will, and move on with your life. I mean... I'm an illustrator, and I go to a fine arts school. They really don't 'get' commercial or illustrative art, and so I just... take from it what I can and go on.
I honestly have mixed feelings about critique - I appreciate it and it has helped me improve, but I don't consider it the most sacred of gifts. What I consider to be much more important are the honest feelings and thoughts someone has when they look at my art. And if that means also pointing out flaws, ok. But also thoughts on concept and what interests you also.
By the way, my post is totally more important than yours because my school is far more expensive
Joke's on you. I'm not going to an art school because I don't feel like changing my style completely just to suck up to some old people to get a passing grade :[
Good critiques helps. Most of the BS people call critiques on this sites is just a mask for saying your art sucks and here is why. And that is why I'm SOOOO much better than you are. By the way, did I tell you I have an art degree from college-r-us?
I partly agree with both sides. Sure, an critique is nothing more than a subjective suggestion on what someone thinks would look better. Critique coming from both a 12 year old otaku girl and whatever awesome drawer/photographer/writer is just that, critique: an opinion.
Art education, while it doesn't give you the right to act all holier-than-thou, does give you the means to give better critique, based on some basic concepts most of us who haven't attended art school are aware of and that could greatly improve out work.
The lowdown... Don't ask for critique if you're not ready for anything.
I'm open to harsh critiques, if anyone's interested
After all, stuff like "really nice!", "great shot!" and "", while very comforting to the artist, don't really help said artist improve at all. It's the harsh comments that make you see what you need to improve on, what to do, what to keep doing and what to stop doing.
I agree that SOME things are universially acceptable. But trend is that the more "experienced" you are in something, the more stuck up one gets. It's like how a chef would be like, NOE. ONLY MISTER SPARKLEY SPARKELY FLOUR IS THE BEST. But that's just an opinion filled with hot, steamy certificated gas.
As for improvement, if you're not able to connect with the artist, you're not helping them. Sure, you probably can help them make it look "better" - but if you dont try to understand their concept and help them inprove the concept, the critiquer is really just sugarcoating some eye candy, right?
Critique isn't supposed to help you improve on the concept, concept is something you should already have burned in to the back of your head before your even grab your camera/pencil.
If you're looking for concept improvement through critique, you're looking for the wrong thing in critique. You're basically asking the critiquer to think for you.
Art doesn't have to be preety. Art is an expression of human emotion, and human emotion isn't always pretty indeed.
That emotion you're expressing. THAT's you concept there, you can't just improve your emotions. You can, however, improve the way you express emotion through your art. And THAT's what critique is for.
I'm complaining not only about that, but at the rest of the world who thinks that getting an education gives you the right to tell people they suck because they havent learned about that particular subject