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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Oh for heavens sake, you are not, I repeat are not an animal trapped in a human body.

Growling and acting like what you think that animal acts like online just makes you look like a moron.

Why the hell don't you actually find out some things about the animal before just picking one based on human perceptions of it, Lion are not noble, they are bad tempered, selfish and downright nasty, Wolves do unpleasant stuff too. So do all the other noble and 'better than hyoomans' creatures you pick, you never ever see someone claiming to be a groundworm trapped in a human body, probably because groundworms are not beautiful and noble enough.

And just because you need a reality check does not mean you have the right to call the human race all manner of names while sitting behind your human made computer screen, stuffing your face with human made cheetos, on your fat hams that were looked after and cared for by you guessed it human parents.

You think you're whatever creature please do us all a favour and go try to live with them, seeing as nearly every single critter you pick is a predator with any luck they'll eat you, then again even most animals wouldn't sink low enough to eat something like you. Either that or admit self to psychiatric care so we don't have to worry about your harmless though annoying weirdness turning into something dangerous.

And if because you believe you are whatever animal, you regard it as okay to screw your pet or whatever please just shut the fuck up, we don't want to know what sexual deviancy you like to practise in your spare time. It's nothing to do with sexual insecurity, we just don't want to know. Most people don't go around telling everyone about how they got rug burn shagging a fugly guy from the pub last night so why do you think it is fucking right and good to tell us about your abuse of an animal.

And do you have to draw out your fantasys and paste them everywhere then whine when someone says ewww or states they think it's wrong. Oh yes and the idiots who think it is smart or intelligent to post Explicit instructions on how to have sex with a dolphin to a board dedicated to teens and youngsters should be fucking shot. During my tenure as admin on a board for younger people I had to delete a post regarding that and ban the person to ensure they wouldn't come back.

It's people like this who give anthro artists a bad name, because of fucktards like this anthro's are almost irredeemably associated with sluttish foxtaurs with 10 foot cocks.

I have nothing against the odd piece of porn, it's natural and normal for the most part but the bizarre fetishes are a whole different case of fish as are the idiots who think that sexually explicit art should be displayed all over the place without warnings. Smut goes in Smut gallerys not plastered where any child can see it, that is not a prudes view, that is the view of a well adjusted adult who doesn't think children should find this sort of stuff by accident.

Signed: A pissed off anthro artist.
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:iconnholly:
nholly Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2004
i completely agree with you all the way.
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:iconzoanoid:
zoanoid Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Are you saying I'm NOT a polar bear? :cries:
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
I dunno, are you? if so how the hell do you type? :O_o:
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:iconzoanoid:
zoanoid Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2004  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have a large keyboard
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:iconlittlebeirut:
LittleBeirut Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
Do you think maybe it's because of this tainted rep that a decent anthro artist like myself can't sell a single print? At least, I thought my art was clean enough. I took good care to make sure there was no abnormal sizes, or too much showing, or ten gallons of splooge.

Tis why I stick to Playboy, and not internet porn... I don't get the point of the other stuff.
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Actually it's probably since you don't draw smut, a amazing 90% of the fandom want that stuff. I like drawing nudes myself and notice they go for more and quicker.
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:iconlittlebeirut:
LittleBeirut Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, fuck... I gotta find me a new inspiration...

I've been looking at a lot of Boris Vallejo, lately... I've gotten a few nude ideas from him...
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Yeah, nudes are fun :aww:
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:iconlittlebeirut:
LittleBeirut Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
Just not when they have size Tripple D boobs and a ten foot cock. All in one animal...
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Well that's okay, if you're just using it to parody ;)
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:icondaevax:
daevax Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Hobbyist
Just last week I came across a gallery with some strange wolf pictures. (I won't mention any names.... ;) )

My first thought was something like this... " WTF IS THIS!!?!? What is wrong with this person?!". I couldn't agree more with what you said here, I almost started a topic on it myself when I noticed this the other week.

I can understand the want to be some sort of noble creature, living in the wild, blah blah blah. Too bad it's all a bunch of crap. Like you said, these animals aren't even really like this, heh. These people should be glad they even have the capability to imagine and want to be a different creature. :\ Sure, humans can really suck sometimes, but that's only half of it. If the world we created really sucks so much, try to do something to change it. Don't just float off into dream land and pretend to be something else.

Also, if any other animal had the same level of intelligence we do, do you really think the world would be any different? Would they really continue to live the bare basics as they do now? Personally, I really doubt it.
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Agreed :highfive:
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:icontalonthekiller:
talonthekiller Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
*Growly sulks to self* hmph
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I'm guilty of being one of those accused people that one thinks themselves as a "noble" animal. Thankfully I'm not following that fantasy anymore, but I still have a tendancy of growling, meowing, and purring when the situation permits. (mmm...massage). And I do have an anthro character as an extension of myself. Good ol' artistic defensive reflexes from grade school.

But at least I'm not into that scary beastiality thing, and I see myself as a human member of society (as much as I hate it at times, I hate relying on money). *ashamed*
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Well so long as you don't require me to believe in anything outlandish and try to at least act reasonably normal then you're okay ;)

It's the ones who both are into all the weird stuff and want me to accept it and agree with them that annoy me.
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talonthekiller Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
"It's the ones who both are into all the weird stuff and want me to accept it and agree with them that annoy me."

Ah, you mean Christians. :D (severely joking on that one as not to offend any out there)

I wouldn't force any beliefs on another person unless I believe in them so much that I know for a fact that are true. And that don't sound too outlandish, like the fact that I have boobs and can draw a pretty decent stick figure. That I can promise you is a fact. As for my other experiences, they're outlandish to even me, so I keep those experiences to myself as well as an offhand story, that I can only let the reader define whether they wish to believe or not. Like that time I saw the blue glowy light in the trailer park and then saw it shrink into infinity. It happened, but I wouldn't try to get anyone to believe me if it wasn't in thier will. ;)
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
*L* Well everyone has their own beliefs and a right to hold them as they see fit, that much I accept, but those who are like 'my belief is better than yours or my belief makes me better than you' or who ask me to accept illegal activities are allowable because of their 'beliefs' are asking for a bit of a stretch. ;)

ps: I believe you on the glowy light, I've seen weird stuff myself. :)
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talonthekiller Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
I have the same philosophy as you when it comes to people forcing their belief systems on me. I'll listen, but I won't follow unless I really see a good reason to.

*thinks* Maybe it was Jark. lol
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Excellent way to work with life, I like asking questions about other beliefs though it does annoy me when they won't just stick to the facts and start preaching.

Can't have been, you weren't probed were you? :paranoid:
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:icontalonthekiller:
talonthekiller Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
Not in that incident, but I have been probed many times since. lol
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OrcaGrl Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004   Photographer
Sometimes I wish that I was an orca. xD But I'm sane enough to know that it'll never happen. So I just keep up my ubsession for them. ^^
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:iconlusoskav:
LusoSkav Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004  Student General Artist
:highfive: Preach on sista!

Yes, indeed, some ppl do fuck up things, a couple of times after ppl seeing i draw anthros they came up to me and asked me if i fucked dogs o_O I mean wtf??
I mean, yeah, i love animals (no, not in that way :puke:) but im not one of those OMFG I Hat3 hyoomans kinda person, sure, theres a few times where i loathe mankind but then again, im just a angsty teen, so im in my own right ;) ppl are sometimes worse than animals, sometimes better, and we must remember theres good apples and bad apples in each basket also. Oh, and you also knew that lion mothers teavh theyr cubs on how to better hunt down and kill humans? they do, the nasty litlle buggers.=P. but anywho even knowing some animals do things like that, like tigers sometimes just hunting for fun, im still an animal lover and hate it when they are harmed without good reason.

Bestiality is teh sux :puke:

I draw anthro cos i like the way it looks, infact i never really knew anthro was this big of a thing, i started only to draw it after seeing Jen Seng's work, cos i thought it looked awesome and it was a nifty idea, human-like animals and stuff :Shrug:

Anyways, just my 2cents :shrug:

Oh yeah, i forgot..

*mews and rolls over playing with a ball of yarn* :giggle:
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
*steals your ball of yarn for herself* Mew! ^_^

Join the club, I draw anthro because I enjoy the way it looks too :)
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:iconlusoskav:
LusoSkav Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004  Student General Artist
Yeah.. i wonder why ppl think that just because someone draws anthro/furry/whatever it fits into a certain stereotype of ppl that does this and that and likes that and this.. i mean its just a bloody genre for crying out loud o.O
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Probably because those who seem nuttiest and who seem to demand that the world accepts their insanity and perversions without condemning them are also the ones quickest to latch onto furry, a good 80% of anthro artists I know aren't into all the spiritual stuff or the sick sex stuff, of the remaining 20% I'd say 5% are fairly quiet about it and are well balanced despite unusual tastes the other 15% are both loud and seem to enjoy tarring everyone with the same brush, including claiming something is 'furry' when it isn't.
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:iconpinkfairylotus:
pinkfairylotus Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
"Oh yes and the idiots who think it is smart or intelligent to post Explicit instructions on how to have sex with a dolphin to a board dedicated to teens and youngsters should be fucking shot."

LMAO! I dont even know if I should ask where that came from :P

I liked reading your post I agree with the fact lions arnt noble and alot of people have no idea about the animals they think they are...

But in reality, who cares what people wanna believe :P
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
You probably shouldn't, some guy claiming to be a professor posted it.

I do when these people tell me I suck because I'm human or use their twisted perceptions to justify molesting an animal.
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:iconpinkfairylotus:
pinkfairylotus Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004
Oh right - yeah I dont understand saying all humans suck when they are humans. Thats a huge blanket statement and it offends me a great deal too.
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gutterhorse Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
I'll be one of the first to admit that I wouldn't want to be anything other than human. We have television, books, and computers. Airplanes even! To me, these things are absolutely amazing.

I'm always suprised and irritated by the people who assume being another type of animal would be better. I think they'd realize very quickly how craptastic it would be.


Oh.. and well.. we have Star Wars, so.. humans rock and all :D
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Agreed, it's fun to imagine but who'd wanna change permanently ;)
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:icongutterhorse:
gutterhorse Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004
That crazy bastard eb-... er.. ;D ... Anyway!

Not that this pertains to anything, but when I had a slight interest in Therianthropy, (For the record, I always preferred the idea of possibly being something in a past life.. It always made the most sense to me, but I never talked about it.), I had a grungy, scuzzy roman nosed Mustang. So.. not all therian's are pretty. ;)

Wow.. that sounds like I made up my former therian self 'cause it was just too cool an idea... Oh wait... I did, -grins-

-rambleramble- I honestly don't see how someone can just say.. "This animal came to me!" They pick the animals they like, wether or not they want to believe it. Well, or the animals that are trendy...
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Oh I agree, I believe in reincarnation and I'm pretty sure I've probably been other species in previous lives but I'm human in this one and don't intend to go running into the woods to live with the chipmunks because I was one in a previous life or something.

Yeah those are annoying, and what worse you know they're talking bullshit and have just picked some 'cool' or 'trendy' but they make such a fuss if you dare to say you don't believe them.

I know one person once who had two blatantly clashing spirit guides that I knew would create havoc in a life if it was true. Mind you she did have ten or so of the things.
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gutterhorse Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2004
Teeheeh.... like wolves? ;) Oh wait! I especially love the unrealistically colored wolves.. because you know, they're spirits, so color has no boundaries! Or whatever the fuck.

If they can't stand being human, they ought to just kill themselves. Cruel, I know, but effective. Then they won't be a "horrible, disgusting, wasteful hyoooman!!1" being.

Bugger, now I'm angry again...
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Defintely, I mean sure purple might be a natural hair color in anime but doesn't mean you'll get a purple wolf to look right.

That is my thought but they of course don't want to do that, they enjoy the perks of being at the top of the food chain like the internet far too much ;)
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:icontroxell:
troxell Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
Guess I should be pleased that in the indian astrology my sign is the Beaver. *shrugs* Never thought of it that way though. I don't have some little animal as my trademark. Maybe a dragon (not that I'm obseesed..believe me.) it's just that my last name translated means little dragon supposedly. I guess I can see how it would be irritating. A male lion noble? Yeah, right. He makes the females hunt, eats before them, has the little man syndrome and picks fights with any other passing male. I wouldn't be proud to be that! Maybe a shrew or a salmon. *shrugs*
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Darkwulfe Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
Man has given lions the personification that they are 'noble' because the male lion has his harem around him doing all the work. The only thing he has to do is defend the pride if another lion tries to take over. Sounds like a king, doesn't it? The lion has his mistresses, his many bastard sons- who might take over the pride in the future, and he's a one man army - unless the intruding male kills or beats him off first. Then said male will kill the bastard sons, make more bastard sons, live as previous lion etc. Shakespear could have made a play outta a lion's life... Anyway, that's my little theory on that 'noble' or 'king of beasts' thing. Go on yahoo and look it up. I'm sure naked mole rat queens would like to be dubbed as 'queen of beasts', even though they screw with their own sons and live like termites. =(

My cousin's dog takes advantage of things that are lesser then her. She'll find an ant hole, dig it up, and play with the ants that scatter out until they die. She has no grasp of what killing all the soldier ants will do to the colony and when the ants stop pouring out she'll dig it out again for more to come out. I know /we/ have a grasp of what we're doing when we take advantage of 'lesser then us', but that doesn't stop us from killing. We kill for food and 'fun', I don't agree with the latter as bones can be made into flutes or jewellery, meat is good to eat, and fur can be made into clothes, but we kill because that's life. Everything dies. The end! :D And when humans die off - acording to Animal Planet - SQUIIIIDS will take over! MONKEEEY Squids. XD Pet a squid! They're our brothers!

^^ This thread is fun.
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Only-now Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2004
Well, I only read the first post, and part of it at that. I would like to PARTIALLY agree with the author of the first post, because there is much truth to the fact that we project an image of "nobility", or whatever other quality we prefer onto animals. Then again, there is also truth in the fact that animlas are "better" than humans in some aspects. For one, they are not plagued, and i do mean plagued, by the petty conflicts that we are. We create problems, and make life harder than it has to be, which is stupid and unecessary. Then again, I am a complete lover of RL lionesses, I feel that animals are more like us than we want to believe, and thus I think that they contain the same exact personality traits that we do, it is just harder to see them, for there is a speech barrier. That's besides the point that RL lions have thier own instincts, but there are certain ones that are "noble" and others that are not, it is an image, but we have projected it onto this particular group of "big cats" for a reason. It sounds to me, like someone is having a superiority issue, and to criticize lions for thier natural behavior is wrong. Believe me, I can name HUNDREDS of things that almost every human does, including myself, that are much worse than being selfish. One of them, it taking advantage of things that we may THINK are less than us, like lions for instance. We are the ones at fault, not them, and there is no harm in wanting to live the simplistic, happy, and fulfilling life of a lion, not matter what a lion's "instincts" may be.

Sincerely,
Only-now
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Ugh, you might read more closely next time.

Statement 1: I am having a go at those who blather on complete fucking nonsense about animals IE saying a lion would never do anything wrong, those who get so enamoured of the whole 'image' that humans give lions that they act like the lion can do no wrong, if it dragged off and killed a child they'd blame the child even though the lion did it. Or who spout nonsense about how freaking noble and self sacrificing wolves are when the only sacrificing wolves do is to ensure that their genes are passed on by raising offspring. Or who blather on saying things like 'No creature but humans kill for fun' Which is nonsense, wolves have been known to kill for fun, weasels and many other creatures do so as well.

Statement 2: Most animal do not suffer from the human affliction of imagination, they live in the here and now where their only concerns are food now, mating for offspring and that is it. Animals don't care because they can't see the bigger picture or plan for the future except in a few cases like those who store food for winter but that's only instincts. This is both our greatest asset and worst problem, the having or not having of this does not make any species superior.

Statement 3: I'm not criticising them for natural behaviour, I'm criticising the morons who choose to abuse my species and who then claim lions/whatever animal is sooooooooo much better because of <insert human applied characteristic here>.

Next time read the whole thing, pay attention and read the rest of the thread.
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:icondamonlowe:
DamonLowe Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2004
*howls* :P Boo-ya.
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Dreams are one thing but using them to justify abuse of animals or nastiness to other humans is quite another.
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:icondamonlowe:
DamonLowe Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
Now that I find incredibly twisted. You have made a point there.
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Of course, those who do this won't admit it's abuse but It still is ;)
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:icondamonlowe:
DamonLowe Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
Their minds are dysfunctional, so in their heads, it isn't abuse. Poor animals.
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Defintely, then they wonder why everyone else calls them sick and twisted.
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:icondamonlowe:
DamonLowe Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2004
:lol: Poor confused human beings...
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
They'd complain they're not human according to them :no:
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Timon21837 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2004
*does the same as DamonLowe* XD
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:icondamonlowe:
DamonLowe Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2004
:P We stand united! *howls again* :lmao:

Lighten up. It's our imaginations and dreams that make us what we are...
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Timon21837 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2004
Muahahaha! ^.~;
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honeyb Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2004   Writer
You know, this have given me a good idea for a book :D Foxes waging war on lions, lions waging war on bears...

Anyway, back on topic; I hate people like that. The fantasies they create become so complex, and they believe in it so much that they have trouble distinguishing fact from fiction.

I love foxes, and have made an animal version of myself, but I would never believe that I'm a real fox. Okay, I can growl, howl, bark and roar, but I only do the first when I'm pissed off, and I never do the other three anymore.

Also, I think it's hypocritial that people say the human race is so evil and everything, and we should all be killed. :hands people who say that a shotgun: If it's so bad, why don't they kill themselves first? Solve both our problems at once =p
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
Yup, but then we wouldn't have anyone left to point and laugh at =P
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