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Deletion of Censored Art

:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2004   Digital Artist
I don't think of my art as pornographic... I think of it as an expression of my deep feelings for Wolves. It's my passion manifest in art... my fantasies... a realease for the frustration I feel for being trapped in this human germ. Art is where one is supposed to feel free to express oneself - to let go... let it all out. I find the fact that DeviantArt is calling my art "inappropriate" and deleting it, even after I have taken steps to censore it, extremely insulting.
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:icondanych:
daNYCH Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
it is your right to have passion for animals... but i can see why you may have been censored. your work depicts wolves in a strangely sexual way - not mincing words, it creeps of beastiality, not all wolf-wolf love like you are proclaiming. i'll stop there. enough is enough.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Okay... you may stop... but what's wrong with bestiality? Oh... never mind, I've heard it all before and it's never made any sense... save yourself the effort to convince me.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Okay... you may stop... but what's wrong with bestiality? Oh... never mind, I've heard it all before and it's never made any since... save yourself the effort to convince me.
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:iconfreehand:
freehand Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Why is this still open? Its taken the short ride it had left to a flame-fest and PV parade.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Free speach? Naw... that's something people love but don't want anyone to have.
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:iconfreehand:
freehand Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Nothing against free speech, as I dont have an opinion on the thread topic itself per say. Just commenting on the flame fest here. These are usually squashed for the sake of order(at least). The juvenile behaviour present here helps(?) no one.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
What I have to wonder is this... if people enjoy acting like idiots, why take that away from them? I mean it's only words flying through space. No one is getting murdered. If this stuff really bothers someone there's no need for them to read the tread or get involved. So why care? Why do people try to take other people's good time away... just because they don't like it no one should?
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:iconfreehand:
freehand Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Enjoy your thread.
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
I figured it must be the penis' showing... something a lot of men have, although not as beautiful as a Wolfs... what a pity... err...

after reading that I think I am going to lose my lunch... omg... seriously.... :puke:
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
You need to relax and stop thinking you are the only one that can be free on this world.
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
how can you feel love for an animal that can hardly communicate back to you? it can only "understand" a limited vocabulary.... they are not human.... you can't love a dog like you love a human.... and an animal can't love you the way a human would....
I feel that people like you who have sex with dogs are taking advantage of unconsenting animals... maybe you feel like you can't find a woman [or a man] and that is why you rely on animals... cause they can't say no.... because it is a convenience for you....
aren't there laws against sex with animals>
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Well, thus is the basis of your misconception... you've always put yourself so far above animals they have stopped talking to you. You have always considered them servile property with no soul... no emotions... nothing but machines for your use. You cannot know them... you cannot see what they are.

Thinking this way about these beautiful, sentient, and loving beings, one has to wonder how you think having sex with them is abusive. Which only further proves my point... it's not about abuse... it's about sex. It's about trying to take away someone else's good time because you're a prude and you're jealous of their freedom.
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Well, thus is the basis of your misconception... you've always put yourself so far above animals they have stopped talking to you. You have always considered them servile property with no soul... no emotions... nothing but machines for your use. You cannot know them... you cannot see what they are.

obviously.... you don't know what you are talking about.... if anyone cares about animals here it is me... I haven't ate an animal in years.... because I feel compassion for them.... I don't feel that animals belong to humans in any way, shape, or form....


It's about trying to take away someone else's good time because you're a prude and you're jealous of their freedom.

can't you find a human to have a good time with....???? you probably have sex with animals because you seem to be afraid of humans....
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Humans are ugly, sticky possessive, insecure, and their cum tastes gross.
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:iconevolvearth:
evolvearth Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
I like human cum, you stupid piece of shit!
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
and dog and wolf ejaculate is tasty????
please stop... you are a sick person..... i feel sorry for any animal you touch....
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
wow... :jawdrop: this just gets sicker with each reply... please stop....

:bye:
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
wow... :jawdrop: this just gets sicker with each reply... please stop....

:bye;
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
I think so... a lot of people love the taste of bull testicles... I always found them a little gamey.
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:icontwapa:
twapa Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   General Artist
Hmm... I guess people saying "There are minors on this site!!!" would probably mean nothing to the artist in question since his depraved mind has already justified things like abusing his own pets, I'm sure he approves of kiddie porn and adults having sex with 5-year olds, too. There's nothing you can do to convince him that he's wrong, because in his mind his motives are pure.

However, I'd like to say that if thinking bestiality is wrong is a sign of somebody who is "sexually repressed"... well then, I guess I'd better get myself to a nunnery right away! 0_o

If sex is so great and special, then I think maybe you should keep it to yourself rather than sharing it with the ungrateful masses.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
You don't even know me... nor my mates... and you have made all these things up in your head. Because that's where you live. I do not condone abuse in any way.... that was totally your idea.... your imagination. It says much about YOU and how you think in the privacy of your mind and what fantasies you keep to yourself.

Those who shout sinner the loudest on Sunday can be found in the brothals on Saturday night.

"If sex is so great and special, then I think maybe you should keep it to yourself rather than sharing it with the ungrateful masses."

Umm... thus you prove your intellect. Because people have always liked to share what they enjoy.
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:iconawrah:
awrah Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Isn't sex, something that pretty much has to be shared?:) That's what separates sex from masturbation.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
In numerology sex is... s=60, e=5, x=20; 60+5+20= 85 (tibulation and insight) ~ 8+5= 13 (growth and relationship) ~ 1+3=4 (nurturing/care). 4 is ruled by the moon... it is a mystery... it is magic.
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:iconnekophoenix:
nekophoenix Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
ahahah
I love the way when someone proves you wrong or tells you why your art gets deleted you answer back with such immature drivel
it's like saying "I know you are, but what am I?"

the laws of DA say that you cannot have blatent porn on this website
I don't care if you think that it's a bad rule, tough

what you had uploaded was against site policy
I don't care if you think it has love and warmth, but then again I'm so very confused to how a pack of wolves raping a deer can have love and warmth

just because your pictures show animal dicks instead of human ones doesn't make it less or more against poilcy

or maybe you'll just think this is an attack on your personal fantasies
well, it isn't
fantasize about screwing wolves, do what you want
you're just not allowed to upload it and that's the rules

don't like the rules?
then stick to your other art sites
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:iconsyphonvector:
syphonvector Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Photographer
If you haven't been following the whole back and forth banter (and I don't blame you). The post that I am replying to did it for you.

A perfect summing up nekophoenix.

You are perfectly entitled to be attracted to Wolves, to produce art depicting such acts etc. You just can't upload the art here. Why don't you understand this? Please don't respond with the "insecure" argument, because these rules on DA are in place not because some people find the material offensicve (some do) but also because some of the content that is banned by the rules is plain illegal.

Also, there is a line between sex between humans and sex between different species. Just because 95%+ of the community here think that your art is "sick" and "innappropriate" doesn't mean they are insecure, it just means they aren't attracted to animals as a minority of people are.

Instead of accusing people of trolling every time they proove you to be in the wrong, why don't you just accept that you keep trolling them by continualling calling them "insecure" and "uptight" etc.

Face the facts, you broke the rules, your content was removed. Move on with your life and stop complaining ffs.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Why answer something I've answered a billion times and you brown-nosing nut-cases keep repeating over and over to make yourselves feel better and smarter than I? Would you like me to lick your tailhole? Would that make you happy? Pull down your pants down or lift your skirt then bend over and lets see if we can't tweak your attitude, shall we? You will even have the opportunity to shit on me proper... wont that be a laugh =)
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:iconnekophoenix:
nekophoenix Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Professional Traditional Artist
brown nosing?
hell I've been known to piss the admins off on a weekly basis

I'm just telling you WHY your stuff gets deleted
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
ahh... okay... misread the tone of the comment. Happens when so many people keep poking at you with their predjudice.
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:icontheryanford:
TheRyanFord Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Professional Interface Designer
If you upload it here, then it is subject to our rules. Its that simple.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Yes. I've found this out... and that is supposed to make it all right. Are we not supposed to stand up for ourselves and our beliefs? Would you like that people remain silent in the face of adversity and say nothing? Is this the values we should apply to our lives: crawl into holes and oppose nothing... fight for nothing... make no waves and let everything go to shit around us? Seems this has been happening. Seems to me these laws are the issue... maybe they need to be changed. Maybe we need to get rid of these old men who make a hundred grand a year sitting around pushing their values on the rest of us. Maybe prople need to get off their ass and stop shivering in the dark like lambs pushed to their slaughter. Just a thought.
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:icontheryanford:
TheRyanFord Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Professional Interface Designer
Or you could stop uploading stuff that is worthy of removal. Just a though, too.
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:icondtdh:
DTDH Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
If we had a socialist government there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.
There would be justice for all and a local soviet would deal with this. :(
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:icontheryanford:
TheRyanFord Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Professional Interface Designer
Yes, as such. :gun:
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Well... that has actually taken a while to figure out. The documentation is vague. I thought they were referring to humans at first... then I figured it must be the penis' showing... something a lot of men have, although not as beautiful as a Wolfs... what a pity... err... anyway... but it turns out that merely implying any love or intimate warmth is now illegal... love and warmth being expressed as sexual acts in art for thousands of years, it's hard to avoid. But then art has always been targeted by fascists. Take away what inspire people and you make them your slaves. Threaten them with hell and make them feel guilty and they'll give you lots of money to absolve themselves of their "sins."

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound... that saved a wretch like me *throws a dollar in the plate*

"You shall know them by their works." ~ Jesus
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:iconsubversive-imaginati:
I'll be going slow so it sinks in ;)

Love and warmth can be indicated without showing huge throbbing boners and penetration. A picture can be sensual without having anything at all showing in it. The vast majority of past art that showed love and warmth tended to be tasteful and not showing every bit.

You did not do love, warmth or sensuality, you did two wolves sucking each other off and a group of wolves raping a deer. That is porn by america laws pretty much.

The admins have not deleted everything of yours from dA more is the pity. But they have deleted things deemed inappropriate by Law, by the site owners and by the large majority of site users. Next to such a loud majority you are nothing but a thin little voice everyone can safely ignore especially since it urges something most normal humans would not touch with a freaking 100ft barge pole.

There is nothing facist about refusing to show explicit artwork on an open site, especially since you yourself have a private site where you can put it. For once stop thinking with your dick and actually think about the users on this site, it's a community as you have stressed that includes the underaged who should be free to browse in peace without coming across your more disturbing work.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
You're really brown-nosing for a promotion, aren't you? LOL
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:iconyofe:
YOFE Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
nah, its not pornographic..its just EFING MESSED UP!
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:iconlozer-bick:
lozer-bick Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
I don't think of my art as pornographic... I think of it as an expression of my deep feelings for Wolves.

that first line.....just makes me afraid to look at ur art. :wtf:
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:iconstoopidgerl:
stOOpidgErL Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
[link] this is some of the shit he was posting... I see why DevArt deleted it.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Yes... be affraid... be very affraid *hums Jaws theme*
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:iconruu:
ruu Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
hmmm... Correct me if I'm wrong, but you're member here since Nov 2003, and you didn't know that posting pictures, that shows animals "private parts" in action isn't allowed here? :O_o:
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:iconsaiscribbles:
SaiScribbles Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
DeviantART has very clear policies on sexual imagry. We have to follow the laws of the United States of America if we're going to be able to keep this site FREE. And DeviantART, as any real-world Art Gallery, has the right to decide what will and will not be allowed on the site. The owners, builders and maintainers of this site obviously have a right to make such decisions, as they created this place and they put so much work into it.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Yes. I've heard this a few times now.

Where is this law, BTW? I'd like to read it sometime. Maybe you could post it somewhere then you could direct the people who believe all that crap about a free country that our teachers lied to us about in elementery school to brainwash us into thinking American shit don't stink.

Was that a run-on sentence... sheesh... I'll probably get flamed for that now. *shakes head*
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SaiScribbles Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
There's laws in the US surrounding pornography on websites. If you're going to have it, the site has to be pay-to-view. DeviantART being localized in California, this sort of causes it to fall under said laws.

We don't necessarily like it either, and where DeviantART still wouldn't want to allow hardcore porn and outright smut, it would be nice to be a little more lenient about more sensual imagry. But DeviantART has to protect its own ass as well, unless you like the idea of this whole site being shut down or having required subscriptions and perhaps even people who are not memebers being unable to view the content.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Actually I don't mind supporting something II appreciate, as is evident by the little "*" thingie at the front of my user name. Perhapese your servers wouldn't be so busy passing around angst-riddled teenage notebook doodling if it were pay.

I would glady move to another server accessable by paying members. I'd have no problem whatsoever with this so long as the art that has taken me hours to draw, and a lot of heart belive it or not, were not treated like garbage and thrown away by someone with a personal bias against open communication of feeling; even if the feeling is deemed base by the dogma-afflicted mentally ill, multitude of lambs.
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SaiScribbles Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Well then perhaps you would like this site to be a tightly-wound pay-to-view pay-to-join site, but thats not how the creator's designed it and not how they want to see it turn out. You seem to have your own website, something not alot of people can afford in these days of broadband nazism and high-costs for decent server space, so I don't see why DeviantART's policy on what they allow on their own servers would be a problem for you.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
I pay $7 a month for adult webhosting. Plus $5 for a few extra GB of transfer. The thing about a community is it can be found... there is strength in numbers. If you want your art to be seen you need places like this. I know they aren't free to run and the overhead here must be amazing.
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:iconskunkwerks:
skunkwerks Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004
Well, I'll agree with you one thing, we are a republic, not a democracy, as we're taught in grade school... and we don't have 'absolute freedom' as we're often taught in our formative years as well.

If you'd only spent your time inventing and patenting the satellite instead of engaging in anal cunnilingus with your dog, you could be sitting on your very own private island off the coast of Sri Lanka right now, far from the 'repressive humans' you loathe so much, and free to do as you please.

...as for 'that law' try looking up state laws on beastiality. I think you'll find every state has a law against it. If you'd like others to do this for you, I reccomend paying them for their research.
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:iconebonlupus:
Ebonlupus Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004   Digital Artist
Maybe you should grow up and stop worring about what I find pleasant... you've never met me or my dogs... all you see is in your own mind. You have no facts about me.

Look under Sodomy laws... and only about half the states have laws about it. And they have a lot of other stupid morality based laws that can't enforce also.
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:icontearsraven:
tearsraven Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2004  Hobbyist General Artist
We live in a small world, Ebon. In your state, Bestiality is illegal. Though, I imagine that your quite familiar with the laws:

"167.333 Sexual assault of animal


(1) A person commits the crime of sexual assault of an animal if the person touches or contacts, or causes an object or another person to touch or contact, the mouth, anus or sex organs of an animal for the purpose of arousing or gratifying the sexual desire of a person.

(2) Sexual assault of an animal is a Class A misdemeanor. [2001 c.926 5b] "

If the state wanted to truely pursue it, they might be able to get you under "163.411 Unlawful sexual penetration in the first degree" and "163.405 Sodomy in the first degree" simply because of your "partners" physical inability to say the word "No". There are others, too, and you know it.

I don't know you personally. I don't care what art you do, what 'spirit' you believe you have, or even what you do in your own bedroom... but you parade it around and show it off. I personally KNOW someone whom you pointed to your webpage (In person- not online). Who you admitted your sexual desires to... and he had NO desire to know these things. Unless you have since moved, the above laws still apply to you. You might want to think twice about who you tell. If someone turned you in, you very-well could lose your 'mate' and have your lifestyle taken from you. These are, absolutly, enforcable laws afterall.

As for your art being censored here... as has been said, it is a privately owned site. I understand your displeasure at having it taken down... but there isn't much that can be done about it. Display it on your personal website all that you want. It doesn't belong here, though, as per the rules that we all agree to follow simply by being here.
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