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It's Gonna Be Good

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I was never sold on the "Carlos's tone of voice sounds creepy, sinister things must be going on" theory. Possible, yeah, but very YMMV.

Then the writers planted a textbook red flag for abuse smack in the middle of his dialogue. This from a series that has, up till now, been awfully explicit about avoiding the IRL-unhealthy tropes and clichés that so often pass for romantic behavior in fiction.

And that same episode ended with a dramatic Kevin return?

I'm warming up to the "canon is deliberately trying to hint at sinister things" idea.


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Carlos: ...said,  "Let's go chat with them, and see what's up!" And here, my sweet Cecil, is what's up...

....isn't that exciting? Call me as soon as you get this. You'll finally be able to visit! I love you!

Kevin: Hello, friend!

Carlos: Hi, Kevin! My boyfriend's coming to seeee me~

Kevin: Gosh, how exciting. I'm happy for you! All your interactions with him have been so positive lately, too!

Like that call I overheard earlier, where you explained how you were going to ignore some boundaries of his that you'd talked about. Or that time a while back when you manifested in his studio in the middle of a show! Not even to give him any important scientific news, just because you felt like interrupting! Part of the joy of living in the light of the Smiling God is not having any silly secrets or distinctions or boundaries or separate spheres. It's so fulfilling to see a couple learning to live by divine principles! Ooh, can I borrow your phone and call him myself some time?

Carlos: You can do it right now! Cecil might not be happy to hear from you at first...

...but I'm sure I'll be able to cheer him up once he gets here~ Just like you did with me!
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WHAT HAPPENED TO CARLOS'S EYES?!CECIL IS GOING TO BE TERRIFED!!!!! DX
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This was written back during the time when I hoped "Carlos is being a callous, boundary-ignoring dick" was the result of the Smiling God affecting him in some way...as opposed to what was eventually confirmed, that he's just a callous, boundary-ignoring dick all by himself.
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: o
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Aaaaaahhhhhhans now it's sounding like it's gonna be caaannoooonnnnn!!!!! TT_TT CODE RED!!! WORST CASE SCENARIO AT HAND!!!! BELOVED CARLOS HAS BEEN KEVIN'D!!!!!
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Did I miss that in-episode?! How did-?! What. NO!
I also really don't want the gates to be opened. SOMETHING is going to happen.
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Strexed!Carlos is not explicitly in the episode -- I just extrapolated from the details about Carlos ignoring boundaries, and Kevin being alive and calling Cecil.

Yeah, this whole thing is dodgy =/
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That makes sense, yeah...

My friend came up with the theory yesterday that Kevin is actually Carlos' double, what do we think of this?
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Kevin isn't anyone's double. The doubles were created by the Sandstorm, and Kevin existed before the Sandstorm started.

If you're thinking Kevin might be the Desert Bluffs counterpart to Carlos...look, he has the same job as Cecil, he's consistently described as looking like Cecil, even his name is close to Cecil's, so I don't think there's any reason to suspect he's the counterpart to anyone other than Cecil. (In canon, at least. It might make for a fun AU.)
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Oh, good point.

It was my friend that was thinking that, but yup, I've always felt Kevin was more similar to Cec. But yeah, could be a fun AU. X3 I'll see what I can come up with.
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:wow::sprint::onfire:  Cecil, your boyfriend is a Strexcorps Junkie now!  It's the end of the world!!!!!  :no: No, I am not making this up.  ^^; Where have I been these past four months?  Working on my thesis is important, yes, but I've been out of touch with Night Vale/the alternate dimension for quite some time.
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There was another red flag in this episode (at least to me), some serious out of character behaviour from Carlos. A little explanation:

During the 'One Year' episode, pre-relationship Carlos (despite being wounded and having just had a near death experience) meets Cecil in the Arby's parking lot "just to see him". No one would have blamed him for calling up and telling him about surviving and asking to see him after he saw a medical professional. Injuries be damned, he meets Cecil at a different location and as soon as possible afterward.

During this episode, Carlos (healthy, in a relationship with him, and having not seen him in MONTHS) wants Cecil to enter a legally forbidden place and walk a few hundred miles to see him without even an "I'll meet you half way". Just something strange about that.
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Agreed! This is a much longer trip than from the station to the Arby's, and Carlos isn't injured -- there's no reason for him to put all the risk and effort on Cecil. Picking up Cecil at the halfway mark would be the good-boyfriend thing to do.

(Other than Carlos behaving badly, another potential explanation is that Carlos is restrained or imprisoned somehow. Maybe he's trying to talk Cecil into coming to his rescue, though he can't tell Cecil directly over the phone that something's wrong? So many possibilities, none of them good, argh.)
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Ugh, I know. I'm just dreading the possibility that it's a trap; especially after (the character) Kevin's message.
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WHO GAVE YOU THE RIGHT

((((this is awesome omfg))))
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I must have missed this clue... What has Carlos done that crossed the line? I usually listen to Night Vale while walking home and sometimes my mind wanders...
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The red-flag quote is "Hey, sorry to call again so soon...I know we talked about space and boundaries and all of that, especially with this whole Lot 37 thing you’re going through...[but] an important scientific discovery is grounds to interrupt anything!"

"I know you made your boundaries clear, but now I'm going to ignore them anyway" is always a bad sign. (And it's distressing for reasons specific to these characters, too. Cecil used to want *more* calls from Carlos, and he used to find it comforting to talk to Carlos when he was going through hard times -- just what has Carlos done to be so upsetting/unhelpful that Cecil wants him to call *less*?)
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Ah.... thank you!! That's quite insightful
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hoW DARE THEY BLIND THE TRUTH FROM A SCIENTIIIIIST!!!!!! D':

(also WOW I REALLY need to catch up on this show! ^^0 I'm only at the end of the first liveshow on the podcast!!! TT-TT (I might actually need more show to move in order to hear the rest! lol))
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ohhh no. no. no no no. nonononono.

please don't actually happen oh nononono.

(Also of note is the return of Deb, the sentient patch of haze that we met in Old Oak Doors part A. And I think that this latest episode was the first time we've actually heard Old Woman Josie speak, as opposed to being quoted?)
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Hey, it's already canon that Carlos is engaging in some line-crossing behavior. I'd rather have that be a result of the Smiling God's influence than have it just be about him naturally falling down as a boyfriend! It's not like I don't have faith that Cecil and friends will rescue him eventually.

(This is the premiere of Josie's voice actress, yes! Very exciting. I hope they write more of her calling Cecil mid-show now.)
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This just in; evidence that something is, in probability, going wrong in the desert other world.

Check out Ep 58, Monolith.

When Cecil brings up Carlos, he says that Carlos has asked him to stop using the term 'trapped' in reference to their situation. Instead, he is "doing work there."

I mean, we've seen Carlos place priority on his science many times prior, but this is the most blatant it was to date. And he isn't threatened by the rumbling beneath the sand, anymore. When we first heard about THAT, he was curious, and wanted to find out what it was. Now... well..

Carlos-circa-ep-58 said that the desert was an opportunity for his career...
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It's pretty weird, all right. We get some description of the kind of research Carlos is doing out there, but none of it sounds as interesting as all the weirdness in Night Vale. And at some point he starts talking as if he has a fully-fledged laboratory out there, even though it used to be a featureless desert wastescape. What changed, and how?

With the rumbling, it could just be that he decided it wasn't dangerous or threatening after all. (The way he decided the Night Vale clocks weren't sinister or scary.) But given that it could be associated with the Smiling God, I'm not sure he's right about that...
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mm, true, he's been on the border of science and mad science for a while, hasn't he? There's also how dodgy he was about finding a way to get back to Night Vale.

Hm. I guess once i finish Old Oak Doors B tomorrow, I can gather more evidence. I've been working on a re-listen, and got through Part A yesterday, but didn't have a chance today.
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