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Tis Just A Little Nit Pick of Mein by endler Tis Just A Little Nit Pick of Mein by endler
If you're going to say
'An argument is wrong, this is evil, this is wrong, this is biased...'
If you're going to throw an accusation, at least RESEARCH beforehand (if needed; and if needed, at least try to keep and open mind and check out multiple sources other than the ones that you agree with) and then actually explain WHY.


Got this idea when I was organizing my stamps.

One from some months ago was an abortion related stamp poking at how some pro-life people try to rustle the jimmies of pro-choice people by asking 'what if the woman still wants it?' when those particular people don't know the meaning of 'choice'; within the description I was leading up to this by just having an example of a normal discussion between a pro-life peep and a pro-choice peep.

Within this example it had the pro-choice person asking the usual 'what if they get raped/condom busts/etc'.

One person decided to ignore the actual intent of the stamp all together for that one part, only to say...literally only to say: 'The what if they get raped/condom busts/etc excuse is bullshit.'

...and that was all. One person even bothered to ask why and even to this day there has been no response.

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But the thing is if you're going to say something like that, if you're going to throw an accusation like that, you should at least explain why.

Why is this wrong? Why is this evil? Why is an argument of someone weak? Why is this biased?

And if needed for some of these arguments (particularly scientific matters), at least research heavily beforehand. I know it's pretty damned hard for some to do, especially for those on arguments such as homosexuality, but it'll do a world of good if you actually look deeply, research, ask and explore in places that you wouldn't usually tread before you come out and immediately say: THIS IS EVIL!

Even though honestly I can see most people going through well credited sites and just shaking their head blindly and still saying, "Nope. Nope. Nope. Nope. All wrong," sadly enough.

A good example of something on here is what inspired this stamp:
Someone said that public school was evil and...just didn't really explain why. It's just evil.

Wooo-~oooo.:iconwooooplz:

But really, in the long run it will help you to at least explain why you think this way.

Other stamps: [link]

Eeeeven though if you're reasoning is 'the bible' or another holy book...that admittedly isn't going to end well.
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dannnniiii Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I am so using this.
Reminds me of how my mom claimed cats are evil because they have the "Devil's eye" for a pupil shape. .-. It's how they were biologically engineered to see things.
Don't even get me started on how she was calling them disgusting because of their tails... :iconfacepalmplz:
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bigsadpuppyeye Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013
That so true people do need to do research first
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ufd Featured By Owner May 5, 2013
My step mom actually wrote an essay against homosexuality, having done research on the effects of two guys/girls having sex and the effects of homosexuality relationships yada yada yada that nobody in the classroom ever thought of (and this is coming from a classroom full of bisexual students). She was given an A+. Anyone, who makes an argument or statement, needs to have done research and study before giving out anything or people will think it's bullshit. It doesn't just include homosexuality or abortion, it includes ANY argument.
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DollaWolla Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I understand this comment is 4 years old now, but my gosh, where did your stepmom get her citations from to get an A in an essay AGAINST homosexuality? I probably would've suspected the school had homophobic bias, just like my former christian high school would've had pro-life bias, should someone dare submit a pro-choice essay. Nowadays, an argument against homosexuality sounds as pointless as say, being against women or gays in the military.
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ufd Featured By Owner Oct 11, 2017
Nope. Everyone was for homosexuality. What you need to understand is that just because someone has a different opinion does not mean they have bias reasons. I live in the suburb of New Orleans and the liberals here are old time liberals, those that believe heavily in free speech and open discussions. My mom wrote the essay and spoke it in front of the classroom. Her arguement had nothing to do with religion and hardly about babies. She used facts to back up her claims.
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Azrael-Legna Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017
Human rights aren't an opinion. If someone is against homosexuality, they are a piece of shit and don't deserve to be treated with even the smallest amount of respect. And hey, maybe if there was better sex ed, there wouldn't be so many STDs and STI in the US. But the good news is, that there vaccines against a few STD (Hep A+B and HPV) and there will be even more made :la: 

Regarding the other comment, it is not good to stay in an abusive relationship / marriage just because they have a kid. That is very bad, not just for the victim, but for the child as well. If you think that any bitterness will go away just because they have a child together, than you are mistaken. Many abuse victims HATE their abuser, and having a child makes is WORSE for them. Because if the abuser has visitation rights, split custody etc, the victim has to deal with seeing them every so often. You / your stepmom are literally saying that stockholm syndrome is a good thing. Also, just an FYI, one of my roommate's has a sister whose abusive ex husband is dying of cancer. He is the father of her son, and she is ecstatic about him suffering and dying (but she doesn't tell her son, of course).  

Also, so fucking what if gays can't "create" a child together? Just because you biologically make a child doesn't mean you're going to love them or take care of them. Many hetero / biological parents abuse and / or neglect their children. You can love an adopted child, just as much as a bio child. Blood doesn't mean shit to a normal person. And a woman being barren isn't tragic. She can always adopt a child, that said the world is vastly overpopulated anyways.  

Your step mom should have gotten an F- for that stupidity. But then again, this was a long time ago, back when people were stupider than rocks, lmao. 

I suggest you look at Akhnaton-II stuff, he's more educated on LGBT stuff than I am, and has lots of facts in his stuff. 
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Eaohkan Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That user and their mother are incredibly bias and hateful to write a paper on why people can't choose to be with a person who understands their body more than the opposite gender.
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Azrael-Legna Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017
Pretty much, lmao. Funny how it's okay to be against LGBT and their rights, but God forbid you be against anti-LGBT people and shitty beliefs. 

Basically; Their right to be a total cunt > human rights. 
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Eaohkan Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
People like them need to be chased off our world.
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ufd Featured By Owner Edited Oct 12, 2017
That is your opinion and you have a right to believe it, but you’re being rude. I was not talking or discussing anything with you. If I’m such a horrible person for my beliefs, why bother talking to me? Lol it’s obvious you’re trying to fight with me. Like even how you started your argument shows. Believe it or not, a person can simply not practice or not believe homosexuality should be practiced without hating those that practice it. I also believe no one should date anyone until they start paying rent, but I don’t hate anyone that does it. That’s stupid. I have my reasons for not believing in homosexuality, but that doesn’t make them horrible people. I know a few good people that were bisexual. 

Think what you want about me, but I never harassed anyone or insulted anyone. You insulted me and my mother, then rudly butted in a conversation just to get a reaction out of me just because I have a different opinion from you. I’d like to ask you to not talk to me in this manner or I will have to block you. I don’t like fighting and I would prefer us to not fight over this. 
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Azrael-Legna Featured By Owner Edited Oct 12, 2017
Sorry if I came off as rude, I didn't mean to (I am rather blunt and tactless though), however this is a public site and your comment is public, if you didn't want a discussion you should have noted the other person. Also, replying and blocking is a pussy move. Just don't respond back if you don't want to talk to someone, or just hide your comments.

Human rights are NOT an opinion. It's not a matter of opinion to be anti-LGBT or not. If someone is anti-LGBT, they are a piece of shit, simple as that. I'm not going to sugar coat it. Also, if you hate homosexuality, you hate homosexuals. No, I commented because you and your mom / stepmom have shitty, scummy, anti-human beliefs, and have the balls to think you guys deserve to be respected. No, if you are against LGBT people, you are against human rights, and thus deserve no respect. Don't want to be disrespected? Don't hold such shitty beliefs then. The only reasons people don't """believe""" in LGBT is either, religion, reproduction, and other outdated anti-science bullshit.

Sexists don't deserve respect.
Racists don't deserve respect.
So why do LGBT-phobes?

Maybe these will help.

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Tell me this, is it okay to be against straight people? Or hate people of a certain skin color? OR is that "different"?

One last thing, I think it's ironic how you think it's okay to be against LGBT people, but you complain about people being against anti-LGBT people and their "beliefs."
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ufd Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2017
It’s public, but doesn’t make it less rude. Having public conversations at a mall with your friends doesn’t make it right for any stranger to pop in the middle of their conversation and interrupt or speak out. It’s still rude and this taking place online doesn’t make it different. Most people don’t do that unless they’re trolls. 

So, Free Speech only includes nice beliefs? In that case our founding fathers failed at that horribly, because when Congress met during Continental Congress and especially in writing our Constitution, there was shouting, insults spewing out of their mouths, curses that would make your ears bleed. They were incredibly mean to each other behind closed doors. Some even went physical and it only stopped after the Cain incident when Civil War was breaking out when a Senator almost died and bled to death. The freedom of speech has nothing to do with right vs wrong. It exists so that we may challenge and question what is right, not what is wrong. It means offending people. Being offended means feeling the need for justice and if you keep yourself from being offended, Justice will not be served. It is the right of the people to be offensive and to be offended, so that we may seek and deliver justice. Without it, even your insults and rude comments are meaningless, that you have no right to judge me just like you believe I have no right to speak about my nonbelief in a gay lifestyle. 

If you had acted more civil and not insulted me and my mother, I would have looked passed your rude interruption and had a wonderful, friendly debate, but you continually insult me and call me a “pussy” for threatening to block you. Just like I have the right to speak my mind and you have the right to insult my mother, I have the right to use any sort of action to defend myself from verbal abuse. I won’t block you by attacking first before blocking you. I always let my attackers have the final say. 

I’m giving you one final chance. No more insults. In fact, I don’t want you speaking to me. You can, I’m giving you that opportunity, but you crossed the line when you included my mother. I don’t have patience with those that mess with my family.
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Azrael-Legna Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2017
Well I guess you do have a point there. 

I never said that. Free speech simply means you can't be arrested for what you say. It doesn't mean people have to listen to what you say, or that they can't call you out. You can spew anti-human bullshit all you want, just don't act shocked when people treat you like shit, or call you out in return. 

I said replying and blocking is a pussy move, not that blocking in general is. I have blocked people, but I did not comment to them, and then block them. I'm sorry but I've way too many people reply and block others to make it look like they "won" or something. It was wrong of me to jump to conclusions like that, and I do apologize for that. 

And your mom said a bunch of bullshit in her essay, of course I'm going to say that what she said was stupid. I know that she was raised in a different time, but it doesn't change the fact that what she said was in fact stupid. Also, you can say stupid things and not be a stupid person (I do that to my friends all the time :la: ). But back in the day, people were in fact more stupid. It's not meant as an insult, it's a fact.  
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DollaWolla Featured By Owner Edited Oct 11, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
"just because someone has a different opinion does not mean they have bias reasons" Fair, fair, as long as they can back it up with logic and facts, yes. I only mentioned "religion" and "babies" as separate examples for bias on another branch. But what kind of "facts" could she have possibly used to "back-up" her anti-homosexuality thesis back then?
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ufd Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017
It was a long time ago, so I can’t remember all of them, not to mention I’m planning on doing my own Anti-Homosexual Editorial, but I can give you one I remember that stuck out. She mentioned about the higher percentage of those in homosexual lifestyles having sexual transmitted diseases and those possibility stemming from how they have sex, which is different from heterosexual sex. It often includes fingers or mouth sucking the vagina, both mouth and fingers containing two of the largest percentage of body parts with the most germs, even more than the dirt outdoors. For man on man, it includes the penis going inside the butt hole where poop is released, which is known for causing diseases like E. coli. While you may have that kind of sex with a man and woman, first off they’re not the only kind of sex and the penis in vagina is the most basic one that most will choose, second there’s more of a compromise because the two are of different body structure and have find a way to have enjoyable sex. Two of the same sex are naturally more rough. You see this at school where the fights are always two of the same gender. The worst kind of fight between a man and woman are verbal and get any farther and rather the man gets beat up or the woman looks pathetic. It is why breakups with homosexual couples turn out more bitter and abusive. At least with a man and woman, they have a kid and that bitterness will cease through time, because “he/she loves my child.” You don’t have that with a homosexual couple because you get a child involved and rather “he/she sees my child as a ‘step child’” or “that’s my child not yours!” The tragedy in homosexual couples is the fact they can’t ever experience making a child together and that can cause damage in a relationship that is just as bad if not worse than the tragedy of a woman being barren from having children. 

This is one example, probably the tip of the ice berg, but that is one my mom placed down. There were other things. I have a different perspective, but I agree with this one and it is why I don’t practice it myself.
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DollaWolla Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
OK, I needed some time to look up some facts, and wait a bit, because...the info you gave me came off as very ignorant and homophobic in a way that made me very angry, and I didn't want any anger of mine dictating my next reply; just trying to keep things civil. So here's what I have to say. You mentioned the man on man, but what did she have to say for the lesbian side? Last time I checked, lesbians are the lowest recorded carriers of STDs compared to their bi or hetero counterparts. www.stdcheck.com/blog/lgbt-std… www.avert.org/learn-share/hiv-… (this might also address your finger and oral parts)
I could also say lesbians don't have to worry about pregnancy or bladder and yeast infections, but I don't use that to argue against heterosexuality. Also, slightly OT, but I must offer you some analogies: if someone had said a particular ethnic group had the highest number of STDs, therefore be anti-interracial marriage, they'd be seen as a racist for such prejudicial profiling. It'd also be like saying avoid candy, because it rots teeth, because you know, we don't have things like toothbrushes, toothpaste, and other hygiene tools to protect against such things. Remember, we have things now called condoms, dental dams, and other barriers of contraceptive protection, so people of all orientations may enjoy having safer sex, therefore STDs are less likely of a spreading concern; no orientation had been immune or exempt from catching STDs via no protection or broken barriers.

For your following social relationship assumptions, they sound misguidedly based on sexist gender role stereotypes... "...there’s more of a compromise because the two are of different body structure and have find a way to have enjoyable sex. Two of the same sex are naturally more rough." (like a female couldn't bodybuild if she wanted to, or a man take on gentler traditionally pink-collar roles)

"You see this at school where the fights are always two of the same gender." (Arrow right irrelevant to homosexual relationships) "The worst kind of fight between a man and woman are verbal and get any farther and rather the man gets beat up or the woman looks pathetic. It is why breakups with homosexual couples turn out more bitter and abusive. " (yeah, because you know we don't have traditionally battered women's shelters thanks to physically abusive male partners; and some bitchy women take advantage of hitting men while using their own gender as a shield, thanks to double standards)

You said her argument was hardly about babies, but you brought child welfare concern into homosexual debate anyway... "At least with a man and woman, they have a kid and that bitterness will cease through time, because “he/she loves my child.” (why did you assume they automatically have a kid? That is a very dangerous assumption that a kid will "save" a relationship. My parents split up before I was born, and sadly their bitterness developed into backstabbing rivalry and badmouthing the other parent behind their back)

"You don’t have that with a homosexual couple because you get a child involved and rather “he/she sees my child as a ‘step child’” or “that’s my child not yours!” (oh yeah, like we don't have denying hetero fathers who demand a paternity test because they think the kid's appearance looks nothing like them; or one parent habitually saying "MY baby" when they should more correctively say "OUR baby;" I could consider myself my dad's bastard accident, vs. his planned legitimate kids with the wife he left my mom for)

"The tragedy in homosexual couples is the fact they can’t ever experience making a child together and that can cause damage in a relationship that is just as bad if not worse than the tragedy of a woman being barren from having children." (OK, now that's the same "breeder" logic that makes all the childfree-by-choice people facepalm so hard) All they need is artificial insemination (which there are clinics for), hire a surrogate, or best of all, do the selfless thing and adopt, as so many foster children in the system are already waiting for. By that logic, people who are infertile, elderly, or childfree-by-choice, can't be in relationships because they'll "fail" due to not having kids.

"it is why I don’t practice it myself." So you think it's just a choice? Did you "choose" to be straight? www.livescience.com/50058-bein… www.listland.com/top-10-reason… I'd like you to really reflect on this, and think a little bit on how you and your stepmother need to rethink you homophobic views, and unlearn such toxic views and prejudices...
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ufd Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2017
There are actual gays that have admitted to them having the highest sexual transmitted diseases and it’s not homophonic. They’re facts researched. It is hard to swallow, but it’s true. Non of this is ever talked about. I’m also not dismissing the fact heterosexual couples risk having those, but the statistics aren’t as high. To be open to discussions means being open to possibilities that may happen. 

It also doesn’t effect my opinions of someone that is homosexual or has homo feelings. I see them as a person. No more and no less. It also doesn’t mean I don’t see them as good parents or good with children. I just notice differences in behavior. I went to a school full of gays and bi’s. I see patterns in certain behaviors and unfortunately, stereotypes are often based off of real life scenarios. Now, while abuse between a man and woman is known, mostly female victims about her male partner, it’s often talked about and cared for. I hardly hear anything about woman on woman, man on man or girl on man abuse.  I theorize this is where the bitterness I see in homo breakups come from, but I can’t be certain. It’s mainly observation based.

For the children comment, there are those into homosexuality that want to start a family of their own and create a child of their own with their partner. It’s not to say that adoption or creating a child with someone else’s sperm/egg is a bad thing. Never said it was and there are people that are dedicated to that kind of thing. I was revealing a problem in the homosexual community that have been effected by this limitation and not in a good way. There are homosexuals that do want to start a family, but can’t with their partners. If you think really hard, homosexuality is limited on baring children and sharing that blood child with their partner. When people leave the homosexual lifestyle, creating families is one of the common reasons. Not saying all of them want this, but there are those that exist that do and it’s hardly spoken of. 
 
I was straight, then had homosexual thoughts, then became asexual. No one can tell me what sexuality I was born as. I can be attracted to whomever I want and I choose no one. I don’t believe anyone should be slaved to being born to whom they are attracted to. Homosexuality is not a disease, race or in our blood. It is an attraction and we have the right to choose whomever we want to be attracted to. If you want to be homosexual, go ahead. I don’t believe it’s a good and healthy practice, but it’s not my life and I can only decide my own life. I choose nobody, because I hate drama. 

Just to be clear, this does not have anything to do with homosexuals being good or bad people. I’d be speaking for myself, since I have homo thoughts. These are things I’ve researched and observed. Some of these are based off of actual problems from real homosexual people. Though, these do not effect how they act as people. They’re still human beings with morals. I think it would be stupid to hate homosexuals, especially for the reasons I’ve mentioned. They have nothing to do with homosexuals being good or bad people.

This is why homophobia baiting makes no sense. You never saw anything about me dispising homosexuals. I don’t like the lifestyle, but different from hating the person in general. You can like someone and not how they live their life. I did say it was tragic that homosexuals can’t have children together, but it wasn’t out of hatred. It was more out of the limitation of children they can have. They can’t share the same child and that can lead to unfortunate consequences if it goes wrong. Again, does not make them bad people, but that is the way it is. Does not make adoption or donated sperms/eggs bad either, but not everyone wants it. I prefer no relationships, but not everyone is me.
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DollaWolla Featured By Owner Oct 13, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
And you just disregarded the lesbian fact being the lowest carriers.

So you're backpedaling your previous claims, and meanwhile basing your gay breakup bitterness on little to no proof?

"If you think really hard, homosexuality is limited on baring children and sharing that blood child with their partner." Don't be scapegoating gays with that childbearing problem when the same thing can be said about straight couples that are infertile, or take a second partner and that stepparent mistreats the kid outta jealousy. "When people leave the homosexual lifestyle, creating families is one of the common reasons." I call bullcrap on this lame biologically narcissistic excuse, when I already explained solutions called artificial insemination, surrogacy, or adoption. If that's not good enough for gay OR STRAIGHT couples alike, then they're simply too shallow and narcissistic to be parents, and shouldn't even have kids with their lack of unconditional love and acceptance.

Then maybe you were just undecided, or even forced in the closet due to the homophobic views of your stepmother I'm beginning to suspect. I never said homosexuality was a disease, so IDK where you got that from. I already told you lesbians have the lowest stds with link proof, not to mention the safer sex barrier protection available for all the orientations; For you to still not believe it to be a good and healthy practice (even though straights have their fair share of risks too) is already starting to show your prejudicial views.

Now your basing your beliefs solely on anecdotal evidence, and not giving direct proof of your own. 

"I did say it was tragic that homosexuals can’t have children together, but it wasn't out of hatred. It was more out of the limitation of children they can have." Yeah, you know, like straight couples don't have conception problems of their own should they be infertile barren, or put their physical and mental health at high risk to biologically have a kid. "They can’t share the same child and that can lead to unfortunate consequences if it goes wrong." Then lets discourage stepparenting, since a stepparent figure can act the same way. I know this best describes my stepmother to boot. "Does not make adoption or donated sperms/eggs bad either, but not everyone wants it." Well, take it or leave it. That's the obvious solution, rather then be against homosexuality for some narcissistic breeder-bullshit.
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Eaohkan Featured By Owner Oct 12, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Leave homosexual people alone and stop forcing your heteronormative agenda on them. Stop telling people you should choose for them, they can make up their own minds.
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Someone said that public school was evil and... just didn't really explain why. It's just evil."

Damn straight. One can get bullied for an entire year there and most of the time the administration is like:

:iconnobodycares-plz: I just want my money.



Also, I'm starting to wonder about the Bible. There's a lot of it that just doesn't make sense. Like, if God wants us all to go to Heaven then why write the Book of Life? If he wants to protect us from the Devil then why not sacrifice a slight amount of free will on our part to protect us from his influence? If God is so perfect then why is he stated to hold "wrath," which is one of the Seven Deadly Sins? Is the Bible meant to be taken as it is or is it one huge metaphor for humanity's past, present and future? I wonder if there's a sect of Christianity with that belief...
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darkwee009 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
If you're gonna call anything "evil", then you better have a good reason for it.

I said it before, if you explain your reasoning, I will believe you. I will not except it, but I will accept you opinion. Act like an idiot about saying "THIS IS EVIL!" and not give a good reason, and you will look like a twit.
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disneydamsel98 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This reminds me of what happened to Lupa after Spoony left TGWTG, spoony's fans decided to blame Lupa after an incident on twitter that had nothing to do with him leaving the site. He explained in his commentary that lupa wasn't to blame yet there are assholes who send her threats of finding her, raping her, and/or murdering her. They also include pictures and stamps that say 'Justice'.: [link]
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endler Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
:stare: The fuck...
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's my first thought on this new icon of yours...
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disneydamsel98 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I know! This-this is beyond sick!!!!! It's horrible and I've seen some of Lupa's videos and she's pretty funny, and from what I've seen of her in clips of the TGWTG magfest panel, commentaries, con videos, and bloopers; she's a nice person who looks pretty fun to be around!!!!!!! Noone deserves this! Especially not someone like Lupa!!!!
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SirFailsalot91 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Evil is pretty much based on a person's perception and personal beliefs, usually to mean something that affects others around them and themselves negatively; what may be evil to one person may be perfectly harmless to another and vice-versa, so one person throwing around "This is evil! That is evil!" is most commonly their perception and using such a strong word will likely convince others to think the same or similarly about it

What convinces me the person cannot be serious in their belief is, like you said, when they say something and never explain why they believe that; it's almost like they have no actual argument and want to get under your skin by saying such things
And, more commonly than not, they don't have an argument in favour of what they just said; they just say "Yadda yadda yadda" and skeedaddle while ignoring anyone who dares question them

These are truly the greatest debating techniques ever thought up within the mind of man!
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Also the what if the woman was raped/ birth control failed is not bullshit guys because it does indeed happen.
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It still leaves the choice up to her, if she wants to keep it then she can. If not, well, that's what she wants.
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Correction 20 WEEKS not 20 MONTHS. >.< That would not be fun to be pregnant for almost 2 years (or two years)
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Well i'm not against abortion, heck i'm actually 100% pro-choice so long as its before the 20 month mark (thats when the baby can feel the pain and honestly its plenty of time to get an abortion there's no excuse after that).
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Mickey-the-Luxray Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, aborting a baby with any basic nervous system is cruel punishment. If they can feel it, then I feel that abortion really is murder.
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
:shrug: Thats why I say 20 weeks. Thats usually when the baby is developed enough to feel the pain and have a sense of self. I say you snooze you loose.
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peacefulinvasion Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
I kind of agree here. Personally I wont call an argument bullshit until i can explain myself.
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Substitute101 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
"The what if they get raped/condom busts/etc excuse is bullshit."
wait wait wait wait...what!?i'm pro-life and i know that's not right.
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endler Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
:shrug: Well, as said he didn't actually explain so I don't really know.
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Substitute101 Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2013
i know...
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