Did Patreon killed most of livestreams? Its like livestreaming its turning in a pay per view.
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Yes, i noticed they are getting lower.
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Nope, they ar emuch the same after patreon.
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Published: February 10, 2015
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VonEyEzine's avatar
VonEyEzine|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the number of quality livestreams have diminished. I kinda knew this form of entertainment and learning was going to be exploited on some level, and every artist wants to make money, who wouldn't. It does suck that the world insists on ruining a good thing buy using greed as motivating factor to push ahead. reading a patreon's menu of perks per contribution is a luaghable experience. Twitch is jumping off in a big way in its creative section, and Picarto has made streaming more accessible to an average user, and its free and hd. I watched a original Livestream and it was horrible quality.  I suppose its still an avenue to establish recogition before you turn coat and join Patreon with everyone else looking to cash in and call themselves professionals.
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WorldHero|Professional Filmographer
I stopped using Livestream because it would install some audio thing on my Mac that continually screwed up my audio settings, even when I wasn't even using the software, and it was extremely difficult to get it rid of. Apple techs had to wipe my harddrive to remove it. So I completely deleted my Livestream account...I'm probably going to move to patreon or try out picarto. Livestream was good up until that time.
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
Yeah i still like they can keep videos uploaded with no charge.
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Regless's avatar
I noticed a lot of live steamers move to patreon. The amount is kind of staggering. But many of them still release public art and the price for joining any one life stream is usually pretty low. Like 2$ a week is on the high end of what I've found. It's a bit of a mixed bag. On one hand these artists are now sectioning off their work that they would normally release for free, it seems comparable to some of the DLC or pre-order bonuses you find in games. Except for that the artist never charged you 60-80$ upfront. Also, you could argue since they have more time to draw they're actually producing more art overall. I've got 2 artists and 1 project manager who has several artists on retainer funded and so far I'm rather happy with my investment. One artist is actually making extra content. Stuff I never got to see before. *video files basically* so that's a nice treat.

But yeah, this system is very easy to exploit. And that makes me a little worried.
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
Thnx for sharing.
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AdriennEcsedi|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am not sure about it. I rarely watched any livestreams. I don't quite understand your question. I have seen many poeple on YouTube who uses Patreon to support their own work. They post to YouTube than they get money for it on Patreon. So I am not sure how a livestream would have problem because of Patreon. I have read the comments here, and I saw that some artists sell their tutorials on Patreon. If that works for them that is nice. I have a Patreon account too, but I am not using it too much
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
true, thanxs for sharing.
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LunarMew|Professional Digital Artist
I am not really a Patreon user nor subscriber/patron/fan/whatever but based from what I've read I'm worried that a lot of artists on Patreon might get stingy. I haven't even started a Patreon because I couldn't figure out what to offer on a monthly basis worth getting payed for while being worth the money. I display my own art for free, I record my art process and upload in publicly on Youtube. Lastly, if a person needs art advice I help them for free. I don't believe in charging for tutorials. I get why artists need the money to support themselves so they can have time to make them to begin with...but having them exclusively for patrons seems like a dick move.

I am not answering your question, though. If an artist treats their own livestreams as if they were pay-per-view then that is going to alienate a lot of people. Why pay money to find out how a good artist draws when there are other artists just as good, if not better, that have livestreams, tutorials and art advice for public viewing?
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
I like when they have a goal of printing a comicbook.
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JustSyl's avatar
JustSyl|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have Patreon but still make free livestreams in Picarto º3º I think one thing shouldn't kill the other x)
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MyGambit|Student Filmographer
Patreon is great because its a great way for artists to make money and be stolen from less... but I hate that its mainly for already established artists and its stopping the generous bit. I only got as far as I have because of those free tutorials around deviantart, but now people are making you pay for them and removing those ones that were already up. 

And this little downside of as you said, pay per view livestreams for patrons only. Id love to donate but as it stands, I'm flat broke but I'd still at least like to hang out in those streams and show my support and maybe learn something... Idk, its a love hate with patreon.
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LunarMew|Professional Digital Artist
" free tutorials around deviantart, but now people are making you pay for them and removing those ones that were already up."

Wait, what? I thought a lot of people avoided art school because of the free tutorials on the internet. I get making money out of one's work but if a tutorial's already up then it should stay that way. ^^;
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MyGambit|Student Filmographer
Yeah, sadly its a trend I see. Making tutorials more exclusive is one way to get yourself more valuable as a Patreon artist. Normally, that'd be A-okay, but taking down old ones just to further that agenda seems kind of.. douchey? Really respect the artists who still provide free ones, albeit not as intricately done as their Patreon ones. 
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ArtXWill|Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I've noticed this too.  Many of the hints, tips, process image and videos have moved onto Patreon.  Personally, I don't like it because I liked seeing the "behind the scenes" for many different artists.  It gives inspiration and ideas.  There is NO way I could possibly donate to everyone I'm interested in on Patreon.
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FOERVRAENGD|Professional General Artist
I know this is slightly off-topic but it's important: ANYONE using Patreon really must know about VATMOSS because it will cause you big taxing problems if you get donaters from EU.
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ch0co-pudding|Professional General Artist
Agree with the people talking about picarto! Recently started to use it and its really great!! I recommend it!!
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MarieFriedrich's avatar
I hate patreon;<
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
I think its cool, but there is a part of me that dont like it either, i dont know i mean, if they asd a proyect that can be cool as a donation to fund it.
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Don't you guys have a kickstarter for that?
I don't like patreon cause it's just an obvious filtration of subscribers; dividing them to unappreciated (those who can't afford paying for a subscription) and appreciated (those who pay).
I think artist must expose to everyone and be able to find those who are ready to pay among the mass of loyal and not so appreciators.
Well, as a student of an art uni I believe it's fair to be selective yet accessible to everyone. "hi, you can watch my artworks, you can see me creating, but if you pay, I can draw you a comm or send an autographed print/artbook".
Patreon sets too strict limits. An artists promises to draw a comic or a novel not just because he wants to, but just because he reaches a certain sum of money, like a bet!
That's not quite an artistic way to handle things.
Promising something to a mass is not the best way. Promising to certain people with their own preferences - yes, that's how artists used to earn their living.
Also rushing after money struggles artists to draw like robots, wich results in a low quality product. I've seen it several times. It's an art slavery:/
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
But what if they release a patreon with just one monthly feed, and not like scales going way up?
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Acrylis|Student General Artist
Well, I've noticed pretty much every artist with a Patreon is now keeping their process videos only for their patrons and they even make private streams only limited to those. That's their way of doing business, fine, but it does not appeal to me in the least. Unless you're a real pro, people shouldn't have to pay to be able to view your streams and no one will make me believe that kawaii anime streams are anywhere close to being rare of worthy enough to be kept only for an elite class of customer like I've seen alot of artists on Patreon do. I don't think someone limiting their fans like that is going to be very popular\prosperous for a long time anyway, especially since most people get their fanbase to grow alot mostly due to their livestreams.
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elsevilla|Professional Digital Artist
Thank yqou thats encouraging.
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hyunit's avatar
hyunit|Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think most people jsut migrated to either Twitch or Picarto now. Since LS is kinda messy and Picarto is art specialized
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artistafrustrado|Hobbyist General Artist
is not Patreon is the fact that Livestream has became a TERRIBLE service & better options like Picarto.tv & Fur.stream

What Patreon turned into a pay-per-view is regular art because nobody wants to buy commissions
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