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Did Patreon killed most of livestreams? Its like livestreaming its turning in a pay per view. 

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466 deviants said Yes, i noticed they are getting lower.
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194 deviants said Nope, they ar emuch the same after patreon.

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VonEyEzine Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think the number of quality livestreams have diminished. I kinda knew this form of entertainment and learning was going to be exploited on some level, and every artist wants to make money, who wouldn't. It does suck that the world insists on ruining a good thing buy using greed as motivating factor to push ahead. reading a patreon's menu of perks per contribution is a luaghable experience. Twitch is jumping off in a big way in its creative section, and Picarto has made streaming more accessible to an average user, and its free and hd. I watched a original Livestream and it was horrible quality.  I suppose its still an avenue to establish recogition before you turn coat and join Patreon with everyone else looking to cash in and call themselves professionals.
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WorldHero Featured By Owner May 11, 2015  Professional Filmographer
I stopped using Livestream because it would install some audio thing on my Mac that continually screwed up my audio settings, even when I wasn't even using the software, and it was extremely difficult to get it rid of. Apple techs had to wipe my harddrive to remove it. So I completely deleted my Livestream account...I'm probably going to move to patreon or try out picarto. Livestream was good up until that time.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner May 14, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah i still like they can keep videos uploaded with no charge.
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Regless Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2015
I noticed a lot of live steamers move to patreon. The amount is kind of staggering. But many of them still release public art and the price for joining any one life stream is usually pretty low. Like 2$ a week is on the high end of what I've found. It's a bit of a mixed bag. On one hand these artists are now sectioning off their work that they would normally release for free, it seems comparable to some of the DLC or pre-order bonuses you find in games. Except for that the artist never charged you 60-80$ upfront. Also, you could argue since they have more time to draw they're actually producing more art overall. I've got 2 artists and 1 project manager who has several artists on retainer funded and so far I'm rather happy with my investment. One artist is actually making extra content. Stuff I never got to see before. *video files basically* so that's a nice treat.

But yeah, this system is very easy to exploit. And that makes me a little worried.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thnx for sharing.
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AdriennEcsedi Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I am not sure about it. I rarely watched any livestreams. I don't quite understand your question. I have seen many poeple on YouTube who uses Patreon to support their own work. They post to YouTube than they get money for it on Patreon. So I am not sure how a livestream would have problem because of Patreon. I have read the comments here, and I saw that some artists sell their tutorials on Patreon. If that works for them that is nice. I have a Patreon account too, but I am not using it too much
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
true, thanxs for sharing.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
I am not really a Patreon user nor subscriber/patron/fan/whatever but based from what I've read I'm worried that a lot of artists on Patreon might get stingy. I haven't even started a Patreon because I couldn't figure out what to offer on a monthly basis worth getting payed for while being worth the money. I display my own art for free, I record my art process and upload in publicly on Youtube. Lastly, if a person needs art advice I help them for free. I don't believe in charging for tutorials. I get why artists need the money to support themselves so they can have time to make them to begin with...but having them exclusively for patrons seems like a dick move.

I am not answering your question, though. If an artist treats their own livestreams as if they were pay-per-view then that is going to alienate a lot of people. Why pay money to find out how a good artist draws when there are other artists just as good, if not better, that have livestreams, tutorials and art advice for public viewing?
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I like when they have a goal of printing a comicbook.
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JustSyl Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I have Patreon but still make free livestreams in Picarto º3º I think one thing shouldn't kill the other x)
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MyGambit Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Student Filmographer
Patreon is great because its a great way for artists to make money and be stolen from less... but I hate that its mainly for already established artists and its stopping the generous bit. I only got as far as I have because of those free tutorials around deviantart, but now people are making you pay for them and removing those ones that were already up. 

And this little downside of as you said, pay per view livestreams for patrons only. Id love to donate but as it stands, I'm flat broke but I'd still at least like to hang out in those streams and show my support and maybe learn something... Idk, its a love hate with patreon.
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LunarMew Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
" free tutorials around deviantart, but now people are making you pay for them and removing those ones that were already up."

Wait, what? I thought a lot of people avoided art school because of the free tutorials on the internet. I get making money out of one's work but if a tutorial's already up then it should stay that way. ^^;
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MyGambit Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Student Filmographer
Yeah, sadly its a trend I see. Making tutorials more exclusive is one way to get yourself more valuable as a Patreon artist. Normally, that'd be A-okay, but taking down old ones just to further that agenda seems kind of.. douchey? Really respect the artists who still provide free ones, albeit not as intricately done as their Patreon ones. 
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ArtXWill Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah, I've noticed this too.  Many of the hints, tips, process image and videos have moved onto Patreon.  Personally, I don't like it because I liked seeing the "behind the scenes" for many different artists.  It gives inspiration and ideas.  There is NO way I could possibly donate to everyone I'm interested in on Patreon.
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FOERVRAENGD Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional General Artist
I know this is slightly off-topic but it's important: ANYONE using Patreon really must know about VATMOSS because it will cause you big taxing problems if you get donaters from EU.
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ch0co-pudding Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional General Artist
Agree with the people talking about picarto! Recently started to use it and its really great!! I recommend it!!
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MarieFriedrich Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Student Artist
I hate patreon;<
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
I think its cool, but there is a part of me that dont like it either, i dont know i mean, if they asd a proyect that can be cool as a donation to fund it.
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MarieFriedrich Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Student Artist
Don't you guys have a kickstarter for that?
I don't like patreon cause it's just an obvious filtration of subscribers; dividing them to unappreciated (those who can't afford paying for a subscription) and appreciated (those who pay).
I think artist must expose to everyone and be able to find those who are ready to pay among the mass of loyal and not so appreciators.
Well, as a student of an art uni I believe it's fair to be selective yet accessible to everyone. "hi, you can watch my artworks, you can see me creating, but if you pay, I can draw you a comm or send an autographed print/artbook".
Patreon sets too strict limits. An artists promises to draw a comic or a novel not just because he wants to, but just because he reaches a certain sum of money, like a bet!
That's not quite an artistic way to handle things.
Promising something to a mass is not the best way. Promising to certain people with their own preferences - yes, that's how artists used to earn their living.
Also rushing after money struggles artists to draw like robots, wich results in a low quality product. I've seen it several times. It's an art slavery:/
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
But what if they release a patreon with just one monthly feed, and not like scales going way up?
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MarieFriedrich Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Student Artist
I have no idea how would they be able to set it like that. The way they are doing now is profitable, and I'm afraid that's the only thing they might be concerned
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Acrylis Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Student General Artist
Well, I've noticed pretty much every artist with a Patreon is now keeping their process videos only for their patrons and they even make private streams only limited to those. That's their way of doing business, fine, but it does not appeal to me in the least. Unless you're a real pro, people shouldn't have to pay to be able to view your streams and no one will make me believe that kawaii anime streams are anywhere close to being rare of worthy enough to be kept only for an elite class of customer like I've seen alot of artists on Patreon do. I don't think someone limiting their fans like that is going to be very popular\prosperous for a long time anyway, especially since most people get their fanbase to grow alot mostly due to their livestreams.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thank yqou thats encouraging.
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hyunit Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I think most people jsut migrated to either Twitch or Picarto now. Since LS is kinda messy and Picarto is art specialized
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artistafrustrado Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
is not Patreon is the fact that Livestream has became a TERRIBLE service & better options like Picarto.tv & Fur.stream

What Patreon turned into a pay-per-view is regular art because nobody wants to buy commissions
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Thats true, at least they can pay electricu and internet on livestreams.
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artistafrustrado Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
no they can't, that's why they use stuff like Patreon
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brise-fer Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Voy un tiempo sin ver listreams asi que no me di cuenta D: Y si que me he dado cuenta de lo de Patreon, últimamente he visto unos cuantos artistas conocidos ahí, incluyendo a Sakimi-chan que se esta haciendo millonaria xDDDD y pues no me parece mal que la gente se quiera recursear de ese modo c: 
Despues de todo nada es gratis :c Luz, agua, internet, comida, etc.  

Por lo de los livestreams Picarto se ve interesante :B Creo que me hare una cuenta ahí xD Livestream ya se estaba poniendo un poco ridiculo, la ultima vez me pidio logear primero y entre de suerte por que ya había 50 personas, pero el servicio boto a alguien y entré LOL
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NF8th-DaniT Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional General Artist
Picarto art.... Hmmmm.... I'll have to do some research. I use livestream because of the livestream app. and viewer usability. But I'll definitely look into it. 
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Dilamon Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I just see less and less lifestreams, not sure if patreon is the reason :<
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FalyneVarger Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional General Artist
Yup. Picarto killed livestream. :)
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DraconianRain Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't think Patreon has anything to do with livestreaming or has any effect over it. Most artists have moved to Picarto for good reason and most people using Patreon have had bad luck with commissions but better luck with donations which would be why you're seeing it more on livestream. It's no different to commission streams, but some artists are a little overzealous with it.

If you're not enjoying livestream please do consider going to Picarto. It's art only livestreaming service focused on any and all art, no lag, no ridiculous "you can only be logged in" to view, no viewer limit and better mods. It doesn't lag like the other services either. I moved there quite some time ago. I had to leave livestream.com because they started asking for money and taking away features for paid users only. And too everyone started to complain about being logged in just to watch. Apparently you have to have a paid account to disable that feature and the cost of that is quite expensive.
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ambarluna Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Yo creo que sí, muchos de los artistas populares por aquí están haciendo negocio con Patreon. Uno de ellos casi se había retirado de DA porque prefería compartir su trabajo en facebook, pero abrió su cuenta en patreon y ahora ves que sube algo casi diario, siempre promoviendo sus tutoriales. Entre más lo hacen menos ganas me dan de pagarles nada.
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wickedalucard Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
A lot of people and friends I personally know have moved to picarto. I'll also move there and will probably abandon my livestream channel because livestream has been very laggy these past months. When I check with my latency and upload/download rate, they are okay and yet I get disconnected while I stream. Also, livestream makes my processors 45% hotter for some reason OTL maybe it needs a lot of resources just to stream, where as picarto doesn't. OTL
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JayCrest Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Pretty sure it's as usual in PICARTO though. I usually just see PSD, WIPS, Sketches, and some special Video chat rewards in Patreon.
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TwistedFaeri Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Picarto, mainly because should you do artistic nude or anything, livestream has been deleting those accounts.
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ArtisticMadmann Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i've been out of streams lately so i hadn't noticed x.x
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lady-blackwings Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I agree that most people have moved to something else. But I'm seeing more picarto than anything else.
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sukibelle Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
patreon is absolutely awful lol
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ekalos Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
nah, nunca hubieron muchos ni antes ni ahora
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HEARTZMD Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Nope
Its still business as usual at www.picarto.tv/live/
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
mmm so they moved to picarto now, livestream aint popular for art right?
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Noire-Ighaan Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Livestream has silly 'autorization policy' (you need approval from them, to host more than 50 viewers), and you can't draw nudes there. That's probably the reason why most people migrated there.
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
Maybe i should try it.
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Noire-Ighaan Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
For me, the most fun part of Picarto, that if one of the artists has a Picarto subscription, you can host 3 livestreams with other artists (and interact with them) on one channel. It' really fun :D
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HEARTZMD Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015
Yep mostly everyone I used to watch on Livestream moved to picarto
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elsevilla Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Professional Digital Artist
It seems you cant save previous live streeams there, but maybe i can upload them to my youtube channel, what do you think should i try?
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HEARTZMD Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015
Absolutely!

Uploading livestream recording to youtube is a really good  idea as well.
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