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Journal Entry: Wed Aug 27, 2008, 7:07 AM



You owe it to yourself to check out this piece, and the accompanying rant, by the legendary Mark Brooks. Read what he has to say and see if you agree.

The War on 'Talent' by diablo2003

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NickDean Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
This is about skill vs talent ? hummm ever since I was born I have been very skilled in my talent of Drawing ;)
hummm.
Drafting is a skill that I have not mastered.
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Skilled in your talent of drawing...that's quite a gray area way of putting it. :D
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NickDean Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2008  Professional Traditional Artist
Well Johnathan..like me my Dad was a Printer..I've had paper an crayon/pencil all my life...in my younger years ( when I went after $$ ) folks were impressed on my Talent and how skilled I was..Hope fully I'm still that way..just a bit older lol :D
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astroXLR Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
My feeling on his matter is that there's a difference between skill and talent.

In my view, talent is like the raw, natural ability one has; skill is the time, effort, and practice put into honing that talent.

I can see where everyone's coming from on this one, It's not the easiest thing to pin down.
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Not at all. It makes for a great discussion though. To me, whether or not talent exists, it's skill and determination that makes all the difference.
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astroXLR Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2008  Hobbyist Artist
I'm definitely inclined to agree with you there!
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NCWeber Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
For a person to be truly good at something, they have to start with an aptitude for it. Then, over the years, you hone that aptitude until it becomes a talent. If you have no aptitude, you cannot develop a talent. Yes, there is such a thing as talent, and yes it does take years of hard work to develop it. I think what the problem here is that Mark doesn't understand the definition of talent. :)
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Or perhaps his definition of the term differs from that of others. Not that I'm totally defending his position, but I can see why he'd like to dismiss the use of the term 'talent' to praise someone who is accomplished at what they do.
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NCWeber Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I suppose. My definition of talent is different from most folks also. I generally describe it as a God-given gift. :nod:
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I like to say God gave me the natural desire to develop my skill at art and writing. No one's right or wrong on this one.
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NCWeber Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Those crazy conservative Christians would argue that point. =P
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
That's why I'm spiritual and not religious. :D
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NCWeber Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:D
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GreenSoda Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008
Wow...i think we're heading into esoteric and slightly introspective thinking here... =D
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Yeah, it's definitely deep stuff. I suppose there is no right or wrong answer to this line of thought.

Live and let live, I always say.
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Madmangamer364 Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008
An interesting read, to say the least. While I do think it is unfair to simply call someone 'talented' and completely dismiss the effort and emotional input that have gone into the work that they do, I also don't think that being called talented is totally a bad thing. We're all different people and have things that just come easier to us than others. Still, at the end of the day, it's how we make use of the things we're good at that determines how far we go with our talents. One can be talented and not very skilled, which means that the person is not being efficent with what they've been blessed with.

I think being called talented at something should only be an insult when that person knows deep down inside that he/she hasn't been making as much of that talent as he/she could have been. I think an excellent example of this is when you will find this really good sports athlete that has all of the tools to become a great star, but for some reason or another, never manages to put it all together. Everyone sees it, but nothing is done about it, and it disappoints everyone involved.

Is talent the almighty factor in becoming a great artist? Heck no! Given the choice, I'll take skill, knowledge, and passion over sheer talent any day of the week in any area. That said, to have that edge on your side isn't a bad thing just as long as you really care about what it is you're talented at. Still, anything is possible if you have the desire to excel, and that includes surpassing someone that is more 'talented' than you.
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DSanchez Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I'd have to disagree... Some people can draw for years and still not be able to do anything of decency. I've seen it many times teaching art as well as friends of mine who have a sheer determination to try to be an 'artist'.

Many people can use the term 'talent' to throw out as some form of magic, but in all truth - we all have a natural ability that we are born with. Some have the talent to perceive perspective, values and hues. Some have the talent to instantaneously imagine and bring to life that imaginative idea exactly the way they visualized it. Some just can't do it no matter how hard they try.

Now don't get me wrong - Even with talent, you need to hoan that ability and sharpen it just like a knife, but some people just don't have that knife to sharpen.

I once taught a student how to shade and draw portraits with pencil... now he never considered himself an artist. Was he good? sure... did he practice a lot? Not once, was just for the grade. Now I have had other students do the same but were they as good? no. Now in terms of the arguments that people are throwing out, this is impossible due to the fact that he cannot draw that good without practice. So in essence, according to whether there is a such thing as talent.. he shouldn't have been able to do that good. I sharpened his knife and he created pretty decent portraits. Whereas the other students, try as they might, couldn't get any of it to be as 'correct' and polished.

Just something to think about. Talent is what it is... it is an ability, some have more of that ability than others.. some don't have it at all, yet excel in other areas of human activity.

A little P.S. - Just to add a little more to this response - the posted image... I've seen some people who couldn't even draw what is on the left at the age of 14 - some even at the age of 30 after years of practicing.
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I don't dismiss talent as being nonexistent, but I don't really believe that it's a determining factor as to how good someone is or will be at a particular thing. I think the point Mark is making there is talent shouldn't be used as a substitute for the hard work that really makes a pro what s/he is. There are plenty of pro comic artists out there who haven't a lick of formal art training, but that doesn't mean they didn't practice a lot to get where they are. And yes, there are some people who draw all their lives whose work will always be missing a special something that makes it really breach that barrier that separates pros from amateurs. But I don't think it's talent that factors into it at all. I don't consider myself "talented"; I just like to draw and make up my own characters. That's something I've always enjoyed so I work on it. It has become something of a skill. I've always dismissed it when people refer to me as talented, not because I take it as an insult, but because its meaning is lost on me. I'd rather be praised for my skill level than any supposed 'gift' I may or may not have been born with.
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DSanchez Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
I see your point of view - But has it ever dawned on you that anytime you read rants like that - it always comes from someone who actually has 'talent' and has succeeded at being an artist professionally? I have never read from anyone that isn't such a great artist and practices every day that it's shear determination and skill that makes these ';professionals' what they are.

There is no such thing when it comes to someone who can just simply pick up a pencil and go to town on a beautiful piece when they hardly ever practice and work hard at it. Some can draw till their fingers bleed and never reach anything close to that level of visual creation. Talent is there... or maybe we should all just agree to give it a new form of terminology and call it Art Magic :D

"All your magic are mine!"
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Dualmask Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008  Professional Digital Artist
Art magic works for me. :)
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ShuckCreations Featured By Owner Aug 27, 2008
As I posted on there, I do not agree.....mostly.

I think we are all born with a God-given talent. What we do with that talent is up to us. And even then God has bigger plans than we do.

The example I gave on there was from my trumpet playing days. I played for several years until I stopped about 3 years ago. It was fun & I enjoyed it. But I hated practicing. I barely practiced but like an hour a week or so.

However, I was still good enough to make All-Area band (2nd step before state) twice. Made 1st part in the basketball band at my college (never practiced in college); an elite group mostly of music majors which I am not. And I even made a 1 (gold) at state for playing Carnival of Venice from memory. If you don't know it's one of the hardest....though that could be subjective.....solos to play. Difference between that particular solo and everything else I did was I practiced my but off because had to perfect my talents not develop them.
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