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Dear: Courageous-of-Light

"I wont go much further than saying that i have in fact seen lots of this 'perfect stallion battle hardened worked his way to the top' character. While i know not everything about him i see little more of him other that how he is the 'most amazing and worthy stallion ever'. My opinion is not only my own, i know many who feel the same. Realistically, there is no issue with you commissioning images like this as they are lovely works. But plastering how amazing your character is will be seen as obnoxious and dull. I have seen very little of the trials and tribulations this character has had to go through to get to become this 'demigod'. I have no problem with him being a sue. So long as his journey there is good enough to deem him not so. Do direct me to his back-stories and i will gladly pass fair judgment on them.


This is Courageous Heart, lowly peasant to Royal War Hero, Dream Stallion of Princess Twilight, do correct me if i have overlooked something here."


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I wrote this here because i was prematurely blocked and this is a view i need to get across. People like this, who are instantly defensive, I can tell know what people say about them is true. I know I'm not the only one. But people like him need to learn to be a little less obnoxious with how sue their characters are. 

Disclaimer: This is an Anti CanonXOC shipping and Anti Mary Sue vent journal. Also, the main point is, you can do it! Just dont be so smug and proud of yourself about it. And keep it to yourself. If you're gonna go around gloating about how fantastic your character is, then you better have some bloody decent backstory to put where your mouth is!

Respectfully...

-Dan 

(i also apologize for how shallow of me this may seem, im just so bored of it)

Oh and i'll just leave this here > courageous-of-light.deviantart…
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:iconrose-eclipse:
Rose-Eclipse Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I completely understand ya
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slowusaurus Featured By Owner May 7, 2014  Student General Artist
Huh, your experience is a little bit of a deja-vu for me, because I once told an asshole that his OCxTwilight pairing is making me sick. Then, he got butthurt and his white knight blocked me.

I'm glad that my OC despite being overpowered had some downsides here and there.
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Dragaun Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
So let me get this straight his character is sorta a mart sue you pointed it out and he got angry?

or in otherwords
static.gamespot.com/uploads/or…

but i agree with your point of view a character can be as awesome as you want, if you can create a good enough back story  to make it believable and give the character  more depth and not just so super mega awesome god
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Aye, that did happen, i wasnt even offensive to the guy XD
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Zhanrae30 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Then let him go make his own.
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StormAlchemist15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This. Asshat. Again. I provide some constructive criticism for his pegasus/alicorn (IDK what he is) OC, he responds by calling all my OCs shit and calling my alicorn OC the most unoriginal pile of turd he's ever read of.

MY ALICORN OC IS FUCKING DEAD!! HE WAS THE RESULT OF GENETIC TAMPERING! BY HIS MOTHER!! HE WAS KILLED BY HIS BROTHER! HOW IS THAT UNORIGINAL??!! 

Needed to get that out of my system. Sorry.
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TheColorlessPony Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Dan what is a mary sue to you? Can you define it?
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
A character created with little or concern for varied possible viewpoints and subsequent feelings of people whom you wish to share the character with. The character may be subject to various qualities such as being overpowered in some or all senses, be it immortality, invulnerability, or other superior omni-qualities. The character may be 'everyone's friend' or 'the perfect character' being nice to everyone or in some way being 'the character everyone loves' or the opposition to said quality. They are usually the ultimate extreme in either or both directions. However, the main quality of a modern Mary Sue is the lack of reinforcing backstory. Many people would be comfortable with Mary Sue characters if the creators simply put a well enough thought out and considerate backstory. Be it how they gained their superpowers, met/fell in love with a Canon character etc that people accept in the majority. You cant please everyone of course, but if you want a character that people can empathise with and relate to, you need to put in place the foundations of that character with enough detail to cover peoples questions.

(That is just a small definition)
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TheColorlessPony Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you
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PAK-FAace1234 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is one of the main reasons why I have little to no OCs, and use the Mane 6 as my "Fighter-Squadron". People know them enough that I won't have to worry about them being too godly. I especially dislike it that some people do this with their OCs, make them god-like and indestructible, as well as make them superior and have the canon cast bow down to them. People like you Dan actually have good OCs, they have actual backgrounds and are written to be serious as well as staying somewhat true to the actual show.
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Man I love you gimme a hug. Though I must confess I was sketchy about your choice of having the 6 as pilots. However, as far as ive experienced they seem well enough hybridised. They still carry their show qualities and you put that over well.
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RaptorCee Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Its one thing to have a character that has gone through years of training to be the best, like Rocky, but its another to have them be the best out right and have little to no character flaws whats so ever.

A character needs flaws to be seen as more down to earth, take John McClane for example, so many flaws yet was able to foil a plot to steal bonds, gold, free a war criminal, cyber attack and someone wanting to use nuclear matrial. Yet has so many flaws.

Also there is nothing wrong with shipping with a named character, people do it all the time, but when they have a perfect relationship like in some teen romance movie.
Reading that last part there "Lowly pesent to Royla war hero, dream stallion to Princess Twilight"
The Lowly pesent to royal war hero, sounds like a common underdog story. Seems overly used but there has been history of someone from the lowest pits or ranks who do something heroic, userly at the risk or loss of their own lives, who have done something that makes them a war hero. But would need details as to just WHAT they did.
Dream stallion to Princess Twilight, yeah....that does sound very Sueish.
If there was some wired parell universe where Twilight is real and she looks at that I bet her first responce would be "Really?"
Not saying someone shipping a character with a named one just....dont go OTT (Over The Top) on it
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
If you read the summary it will hurt your sense of rightouesness
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RaptorCee Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
*takes a read*
o.o
*stops to bang head on desk*
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Star-Peace Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
XD Made my day :P
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
So it isnt just me xD
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RaptorCee Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Nope its not just you, this is the pinical of Gary Stuisum
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Rotorix Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
He sounds like a very, very, very bad Gary-su. One of his so-called "weaknesses" isn't even a weakness. What the hell is the point of putting a horn on him if he can't use magic? Why... What... My god, it hurts!
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
It does hurt, even more so when you see some of the comments people put ><
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Rotorix Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
Please,oh please, don't tell me people think he's a good character? 
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Go take a read on the link lol answers lie ahead
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Rotorix Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
NOPE! Can't read it anymore!
Too painful! 
As I came from an mlp story site, his character is absolutely abysmal, and the only solution is to kill it with fire.
He hits nearly every, if not all the bad signs of an mlp gary/mary sue. 
I mean, sure the art's good, but if you're going to write a story from that art, and make it something of a different form of art, and make so many mistakes... You shouldn't be writing. 
And the compliments... No. Simply no.
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konadh324 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
welcome to mary sues, when you ask for an explanation, they either flip out or block you. or they flip out and make themselves look like an ass, then delete their comments. its pretty sad really
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
It is just so, but something we have to deal with and rise above
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konadh324 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
pretty much, they have the little "x" on peoples posts for a reason lol. just see a sue and click the x
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I know it just hurts my originality complex
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konadh324 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014
XD little thing in your brain just wont let it be that easy eh? yeah, i hear ya. certain things are like that for me too
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Mithandir730 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
You don't even know how much I agree with you...
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
*iknowthatfeelbro* ^^
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Mithandir730 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
That's just such a big nope for me, when it comes to fanfics/RP :P
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Coco-JOJ0 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I agree somewhat but at least his character has weaknesses.
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
But has he? Think hard about it.
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Coco-JOJ0 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
"Weakness: 
The Power of the Darkness and very powerful dark magic"

in my opinion this shows he does have a weakness (btw im really not trying to start anything with you.)
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Nor I with you. This weakness he has is just like kryptonite, and his stories show that he has wsys around this anyway. Its no real threat to him
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hikariviny Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
:iconclapplz: Thank you! 
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Any day. Someone needs to say it
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General-Sedivh Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Pride takes over people and turns constructive criticism into a weapon pointing at one's throat. That is why they assume a defensive stance at first sight of "improve this" or "explain that" about their characters.
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Honestly id like to RP to his character as a true test. He says he is a writer after all.
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General-Sedivh Featured By Owner May 6, 2014  Student Digital Artist
That would be a trust test. And memory aswell.
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SagelyByMoonlight Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Honestly, the thing that bugs me most about that OC is the fact that he's married to Twilight and has foals with her.

I can sorta forgive all the other glaring stu traits, but the fact that it's OCxCanon (and not just OCxCanon, OCxSTAR OF THE SERIES) is just...ick.

I mean, at the end of the day, he can do what he likes with his character, but the fact that he lashed out at you for sharing your opinion was bullshit.
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DJP15 Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Yes he can do what he likes. What I had a problem with is that he waves it about in peopled faces and is so very proud of himself.
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SagelyByMoonlight Featured By Owner May 5, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Yeah...that sort of unwarranted arrogance gets on my nerves. That guy's got some issues for sure.
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