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Simba vs Simba by DJ88 Simba vs Simba by DJ88
EDIT 7/21/13 -Wow, still getting comments on this one? XD
Again, guys.... This whole thing is Half a joke. While the changes actually DO kind of bother me between the first and second films... it doesn't mean that I am raging mad about this. This is meant to be funny, but obviously the jokes will cater more to people who agree with the jokes. So if you take offense to this or if you think I really am soo raging angry about this? Lighten up. I do actually enjoy the second TLK film. Mostly for the Outlanders, but never the less I do enjoy it. For what it was the animation was as good as it was going to get. And it's sort of impressive at some points. But yes, different teams of animators, different studios, and look at what it had to live up to. My Goodness, TLK1 is a tough act to follow.

One of the reasons why such a change would bother me, is because as an artist who draws these characters, I like to be as on model as I can. And I get so used to the way they look in one film (the first film), that such a jarring change can be, well, jarring. And can just "urk" me or any other artist who feels the same way. That's it. The changes didn't really bother me much as a kid, though I noticed them, and only REALLY started to become a bit more noticeable when I got into drawing fan-art for the movie.

So again, guys, these are jokes. It's not like I am taking such offense to the changes. They just bother me.

EDIT 1/22/13- Okay guys, seeing as I am STILL getting comments on this one. let point out a few things....

1. This whole thing is Half a joke. While the changes actually DO bother me between the first and second films... it doesn't mean that I am raging mad about this.

2. "Oh there were different artists working on the films".
Yes, that is true. Both movies were made at different studios with different teams of artists. But I have seen FAN-artists who draw fairly on model to the first film, if they can do it, why couldn't professional artists??

3. "They had a cub, maybe they are older now?"
Okay... the last scene in the first film is supposed to be the first scene in the second film. The characters looks quite different. I used the color refs from both scenes, which are supposed to be the same scene. In-yet there are still those differences. It just boils down to this, and I remember seeing this on a special behind the scenes feature for the second film. They wanted to show pride rock from a darker side, which is why they darkened the whole movie. From an artistic point of view? Sure I can see it. But on a design point of view? They still changed some things about the characters. Color wise, shape wise, and soo on, that did not need to be changed. Again, different companies made the films. With different teams of artists.
But still, they didn't have to Mufasa-ize Simba. And make Nala more mature looking(and dipped in bleach, her eyes are blur green, not lightning blue!!). Especially since not that much time goes by, if any at all between the ending of the first film, and the start of the second. Even so, the rest of the second film? While Kiara is still a cub, I dont think there'd be much of a difference in their designs. Because technically that's just months going buy, as lions age faster than humans do. But when Kiara is a young adult? THEN I can see them being aged more. Because that could have been longer, maybe a year or two?

However, not matter what we say, do, or try to rationalize as fans of these films. The fact of the matter is that there are still differences. And that's that.

So you can stop commenting "maybe they're older? They had babies! Different artists made the films" because
1. I know.
2. Soo many other people have left me those comments over and over again, so you don't really need to. Or fish through the comments and see if someone has already commented what you wanna comment. Because it's getting irritating. I could solve it by disabling comments. But I don't really want to.
End Edit.

NO you may NOT use this image for basing,copying,tracing,altering,RPing, personal character pictures, commercial use, re-uploading, blah blah BLAH ETC.....

After receiving a call from Nala about her stunt double Moira getting her role in the second TLK film.... Simba decided to make a surprise visit to the set.... Only to meet the same fate... Even he was being shut out of the second film! And was being replaced by his stunt double Matt!!!
Simba caused an Uproar (pun intended) and was escorted off set. Called his lawyer, and lost his case! When he asked the question of "Why" ...... he was told "Matt costs less money than you Simba..... So the creators of the film were looking to save a buck, because you are just TOO expensive......"

Hurrr hurr huur........ I drew this because I KNEW people were gonna ask for it, and amazingly enough, I'm surprised I actually stomached it. His design in the second film bothered me soo much that sometimes my stomach turns!


Soo here you have it,
On the left we have Simba from the first film, A young adult with a full mane, soo we know he's not a teen.... and then on the right, we have older Simba from TLK2......much more rounder, darker, FATTER, and a huge mane...... Basically, trying to "Mufasa-ize" him in the second film.... but to me, they failed. Mufasa was more muscular and defined without being ripped, and yes, Mufasa had a belly to him, and a huge nose.
Before anyone goes "Oh he grew up and had more food in the second film!!"

1. Even though he lived off bugs in the first film.... he was STILL thicker than Scar..... And Scar got all the food, even though there was a lack of food..... he still ate more than the rest of the lionesses and hyena, because he's selfish.... and the only ones who complained of no food were Nala and the hyena....... So though he obviously did have more food, thats still no reason for him to have BALLOONED up in the second film, honestly they seemed to have tried to make him seem like Mufasa, and again.... That ended in a fat FAIL.

2. True in the first film They show that from cub to adult , their fur colors Darken in age, but this is ridiculous. And again, don't say age...... They even stated in the second film that they wanted to show everything from the other side of Priderock..... so they tried to make everything darker (but still they seemed to have dipped Nala in bleach and made her LIGHTER instead of "darker"..... for that see this image ) But MY GOD! At the end of the first film, They characters look normal and have a cub, (they called Fluffy, we want to call Kopa, but in the end, lets face it, we HAVE to call Kiara.... because no matter what we want to believe, Kiara is the ONLY cub they have in the movies.... which blows really.) And the lighting/art was superb at the end of the first film, then we cut to the second film's beginning, then everything is darker(except Nala!), and all around different!!! (You can say "Because it's two different cubs!!!!"...... But again, the fact of the matter is that according to the Films, Kiara is their only cub : .... weather we like it or not.) So to say that they aged, is nonsense..... That is supposed to be the SAME cub from the first film, so we can honestly say that is was poor film-making right there.

Then again, it was just a direct to video sequel from the 90s... so for what it was, it was an okay made film... Just not as grand as the original, and with different animators. Just a good way to make a buck right?? Plus it has more plot-holes than a cheetah has spots!

And as far as Simba's attitude goes in the second film?
He was a very indecisive youg adult lion in the first film... It's no wonder he'd be a nervous parent.... And not as stellar as a king as Mufasa.........but still, as an audience, we expected more from him.

ALSO! His mane is massive, and way...WAY less detailed. And that damn round chin, not even Mufasa had that, or Sarabi!!!

I love how much more Rugged and detailed he was in the first film, and his colors POPPED soo much more.


I'm out of things to say.

Simba, stop eating the krispy creams, stop with the fake tanning, and stop with the hair gel. (you are NOT from Jersey Shore!!!)

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sophiethecutiebunnie Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2018  Student Filmographer
I say the number one Simba is better than the second one that one is to evil for me and I cannot handle with the lk 2 Simba's stupidity
CYPHERXlX Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2018
I guess they were going for a more mature look for simba and make his mane larger, yet they somehow made his proportions larger and rounder.. I get they had a smaller budget but I have no clue how it can be that off model if model sheets already existed for the character.
Ventuspowerbelive Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2018  Student Filmographer
I like both. Simba was one of the better looking (old faces) in TLK2 to me.
bubblybumblebee1 Featured By Owner Jun 29, 2018  Hobbyist Artist
I like both. They're both charming in there own ways.
Makes me wonder what the original Simba would say to The Lion Guard's Simba about his attitude towards Bunga.…
NightChild12 Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2018
Lol you killed me with the Krispy cremes and fake tan omg
CamiloSama Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2018  Student Artist
Young adult Simba: Man, I'll be so old?
Old adult Simba: Was I like this, so cocky?
tcr11050 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
To be fair why they have a slight redesign is that to show they both aged over time, since of course they are now parents.
DeadPegasus Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2017
At least they let him keep the nineties middle part.
DJ88 Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Well, the first was released in 1994, and I think the sequel was released in 1997 or 1998. So the hair wouldn't have changed lol
Plus, it is his basic character design.
DeadPegasus Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2017
You think Favreau will let him keep it?  
DJ88 Featured By Owner Oct 3, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It may look a bit odd on a photorealistic lion honestly. He just may give them bigger and thicker manes. Though if you look at images of lions, there are some who have manes that split down the middle a bit. Giving them that sort of look.
So who knows? We'll just have to wait and see
KDEEPAK1996 Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2017
this mirror look is absolutely superb!
cake5313 Featured By Owner May 24, 2017  Student General Artist
Your last statement just sent me through the roof (laughing so hard XD)
Supermariochris4 Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2017  Hobbyist Artist
BlossomPanda Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2017
I hate Simba's muggy colors in TLK 2,they are way too fugly and dark.
JollySharks Featured By Owner Jun 12, 2017
Actually a lions mane/coat get darker With age...
DangerMouseFan1981 Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2017
Yeah. I hate Simba's TLK2 colors too. And his design is just...awful.
Jannodisney Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2016  Hobbyist Filmographer
Brambleclaw908 Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016  Student
In the Loin Guard Simba walks weird.
I don't like the Lion Guard. DX  INTENSE MADDIE (Icon Commission) 
K-reator Featured By Owner Edited Oct 12, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I HATE the 2nd movie designs SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And always have.  Including Nala, and Kiara!! I agree with all of this!!
DangerMouseFan1981 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2016
Me too. I hate designs as well. I also hate the 2nd film in general. So many plot holes. Bleh
K-reator Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I know right?! And I don't hate the second movie, I just really don't like it. But I completely agree with you.
DangerMouseFan1981 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2016
About the plot holes?
K-reator Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
XD oh yeah!! This movie has more plot holes than a beach has sand. XD
DangerMouseFan1981 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2016
Totally. Head-nod*icon*
K-reator Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Golden-nightdragon Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2016
Simba has som dark on his nose, while Nala has some light?

And why do the male lions have whiskers, while the female doesn't

That allways been bothering me. 😕
dawnthepolicepup Featured By Owner Aug 31, 2016
I don't mind the colour, but the manes and furs bothers me.
DragonoSaurus-Rex Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2016  Student General Artist
How about tlk Simba and tlg Simba ?
DJ88 Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Someone else has already done that image. 
I don't think I ever will. But thanks for the interest and suggestion!
DragonoSaurus-Rex Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2016  Student General Artist
PinkDuskStone Featured By Owner Jun 19, 2016
Simba switched to real meat by the time TLK 2 came around, which is why he's bigger there. More real protein, you know. Plus, he's a good guy, so only they get any real benefit from a meatier diet.
Big-bad-Rocket Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2016
I ilke both looks same as I like both films.
Wolvengra Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Lovely work!
Peeka1 Featured By Owner Mar 23, 2016  Student Artisan Crafter
In the TLK2 their fur and manes(if they were male)looked too smooth as if it had been brushed or had oil keeping their mane and fur just perfect. NO! I know they are a kingdom with royalty but since when is there a hair salon in Africa?

Please no one take offense to this comment. I still love both movies but this is just a funny joke. Can't help laughing at the comparisons.
AFCLK Featured By Owner Sep 10, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
aericmon Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's how the lions were drawn. Originally, their mane was going t be way scruffier, like real lions. Don't believe me? Check out the concept art.
Even otherwise, whenever I draw these guys, I always leave a few hairs hanging in front of their faces- even for Mufasa- to make 'em more realistic looking. 

But, I think I'm the only person who has not any problem with either movie's animation. I like Simba as a sleek and youthful lion, and as a Mufasa-ized king. I also don't mind the "bleached" Nala. So, I'm B-).
MrsScorpius Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
In the first LK they look more wild, but in the second LK they are all not wild looking.
fionafox1234 Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2016  Hobbyist Artist
I prefer the first drawing (movie 1) XD that was the only thing I was thinking about in the whole (second) movie, they look so ¨different¨ XD
TeiOuja Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Left Simba: "The Lion Guard must always be staffed with Lions? What were you smoking, mate?" Right Simba: "Hey, don't look at me. At least I wasn't the one seeing Dad in the clouds." Left Simba: "Hey, don't turn this around on me. You look like someone photocopied me in a dark room." Right Simba: "The animators were drunk, I swear!" 
aericmon Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
LOL, how funny!!! 
TeiOuja Featured By Owner Jun 18, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Thank you.
XxAngiexXRPI Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
lol this is awesome. I prefer the design of Adult Simba from Lion King 1 I HATED his redesign in the second movie
SpiritX360 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2016
Same vs Same?
ZakMint Featured By Owner Dec 6, 2015
lol so true
Kaze-Blue Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's funny. When I was a kid watching Simba's Pride for the first time, I thought it was my TV that made their colors look like that XD
So I obviously now know that wasn't the case lmao
PiperInle Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Simba doesn't look as bad as Nala does in the second film.
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