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Hello everyone,

I received a request of someone to allow art with 3D models into the group and I would like to know what everyone thinks about that and whether there are more people here who'd like to join the events but only make art with 3D models. If everyone is okay with it and there are more people interested in using 3D models, I could make a sub-category so they can join, too.

Have a nice day!
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Anarloth Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Only 3D models from the games? What about Daz, Poser? ^^

(Sorry I hadn't seen this journal ^^)
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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
I am not sure what you mean with "from the games" to be honest. Like, I don't want you to take screenshots of the games and copy paste those models into your picture. I'd want you to use your own models and pose them yourself and stuff. So Daz and Poser are actually exactly what I am talking about I think :D

(No worries~! I'm just assuming if no one objects it's good xD)
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Anarloth Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, sorry, my English isn't very correct.
When I spoke about models from the games, there are the models you can extract with a software. But I admit I don't know who it works exactly. xD
Then, for the background, we could use Vue for example? 
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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016
Oh like that! I wasn't really aware there was something that does that xD

Something like Vue is totally fine! ^^
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JointOperation Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist

I've never partaken in Dissidia Aces (I have been watching it for a while, though), but if the group is no longer a tournament and is now solely about improving your art, then I don't think there would be any harm in allowing 3D models.

But I'm curious, would allowing 3D models mean renders made with XPS and MMD, or specifically models created by the artist in Blender and 3DS Max, and then rendered in fight scenes? If you allow XPS renders, then I would like to try and partake, but if that's not what you're referring to, then that's understandable.

Either way, if you do allow 3D model work, then would it be possible to allow fanfiction in the group for the (low amount of) action writers? I'm not making any guarantees, but I know someone who might be interested in something like that. Although allowing so many different categories of art might mean different rules and requirements for each one, and that could be a lot to keep up with.

Regardless, it's whatever you want to do; I'm just throwing some ideas out there. If it turns out everyone prefers just drawn art, then that's perfectly understandable. :)

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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016
Thanks a bunch for your input! I never really thought about fanfiction being an option too!

First things first, I am not entirely sure what XPS is, because I am not that into 3D model making. I am assuming XPS is a programme that allows you to make / use 3D models and adjust them into a pose? If yes, then go for it! If it's a programme that literally takes poses from screenshots and just reworks the background to turn it into a transparent render, then no.

Then for the fanfiction question: If there are people who would like to see that category here as well, then of course! (However, if there is just one person I am a little hesitant because a lot of time goes into organising and if the one person decides to not do anything it's a lot of wasted time..)

Fortunately the group has grown to be quite small (as you've probably noticed) and all I really want is to give everyone who is still here an opportunity to join in the events, even if they are not drawing anything. If no one objects by the end of the month, I'll probably just allow any kind of art. Of course, I don't know a lot about anything other than drawn art (though I've done my fair share of proofreading stories, so maybe written as well xD), but I am more than willing to learn more about other forms of art so people still get decent feedback :)
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JointOperation Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
XPS is a program where you can load in 3D models and directly pose them. There are also several other programs that serve the same function, like MMD and Gary's Mod, among others I'm not familiar with. Here's a tutorial on how to pose in XPS if that gives you an idea of how the process works (you can just skim it): lexakiness.deviantart.com/art/…
The thing about programs like these are that the bulk of the models used in them are directly ripped from different video games, rather than user-made, so if that's a problem, then I understand.

The writer I know who'd be interested in this can get pretty busy sometimes, so she wouldn't be able to partake in all events. Honestly, I'd love to join in on writing action fics for the group, but I'm still pretty new at writing, so I wouldn't know where to start with something as detailed as that. Maybe instead of doing an event for fanfiction, you could just have a general prompt list for it that doesn't cycle out? It's kind of hard to explain what I'm picturing, but what if each "prompt" was a different set of criteria to try and meet, ranging from easy-ish to very hard? An example of the different difficulties could be like:

EASY: write a scene of a FF character fighting a large monster or a group of smaller monsters.
MEDIUM: write a scene of two summoners fighting each other (or other specific criteria like that).
HARD: write two characters fighting in a debilitating environmental condition (eg. heavy rain fall, blizzard, flooded area)

I figured a lot of people would have a hard time trying to do a one-on-one character vs. character match a lot, so I thought it could ease some people in if there was an easier character vs. monster option. Though, it doesn't really fit the concept of "Dissidia," so I understand if that would have to be removed. I also thought that anything with two characters in it could count as medium, whether they're fighting, working together against monsters, etc.

It's whatever you want to do. Don't feel obligated to go with this just because I got longwinded, haha. I was just trying to throw out an option. Either way, if fanfiction is allowed in the group, I'll try and see if I can find anyone else who's interested. If you decide you want to do an event/prompt list/whatever for it, then I can try and fill out the rules in each one, if you'd like, since I'd feel really bad making you do all that work for something that won't get that much attention. XD

If 3D models are allowed in the group, then I'm always willing to help you give out feedback for it. I think the main things you look for in a render is how realistic and fluid the posing looks, how many glitches and clippings are in the image (models can be very glitchy sometimes), and the editing and effects over and in it. I didn't mean to get so lengthy. XD
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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 19, 2016
Thanks for explaining XPS! I have no idea how those models would work with copyright, but if it's all good copyright-wise I am totally okay with it :)
And thanks for letting me know what to look for with 3D models! I didn't know models could get glitchy or anything xD

The prompt idea for writing is really good! It gives the writers more time to think of something as well :D
Dissdia Aces is a name thought of by the original creators and it worked as a good prompt, but I'm not really following the Dissidia model (so to say) anymore, so don't worry about suggesting anything that falls "outside" the Dissidia concept, haha.

Don't worry about getting lengthy! I always see that as a sign someone is passionate about something :D
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JointOperation Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
The copyright's weird. We didn't ask to use the original company's models, so in a way that is breaking the copyright. But I was under the impression most companies didn't seem to care. I don't often see models taken down due to copyright, but whenever one is, it's always a model download, never a picture made with one. So the group and anyone involved really wouldn't get in trouble, but at the same time, I understand if you don't want to include XPS/MMD/etc. It's whatever makes you comfortable.

Do you think the style of the prompts that I offered would be good, or do you think another way would be better?
And if fanfiction is in the group, then will there have to be some set rules for it? Like limitations on violence levels/the story rating, as well as what percentage of the fanfic should consist of action?

Whenever you decide what to allow, I can always make a journal post and try and get an interest check for the group with my watchers, if you want. :)
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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 20, 2016
I see, I see. Well, if we don't get in trouble for using the models I don't see why we wouldn't be able to allow them :)

I'll have to think about the prompts and which style we're going for, but I won't really have that much time to properly think about it until the end of the week, so I owe you an answer to that question :'D I'll get back to you on that later (this week) :D

The more the merrier, I always say! I do enjoy having more people participating in the group, so if you want to do something like that, that would be awesome :D
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evangelinengelo Featured By Owner Nov 15, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Still doesn't have respond? -_-
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KaigaraProjects Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2016
If no one objects by the end of the month, I'll allow 3D models :)
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