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"uhh...I'll bring more drinks out"

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:iconzahlenoum:
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I LOVE THIS!!! Ok, so third party member to add to comedy? Check. Classic anime anger effects? Present. I like the lighting, I also like the focus on the faces. Anything I would pick at is too fussy, but here we go.

One thing i noticed is that Raven's Hair's shadow on her face doesn't have that little branch shadow, and something about her left arm looks a little weird the longer I stare at it: I can tell anatomically it's fine, but I can't tell the depth at which her left hand is located: the left hand's depth appears to match with where fore arm is located, and if that's your intention, that's fine. Overall, I think that the problem I'm having with the arm arises from the focus being the same along the arm, and makes it look like her entire left arm is at the same location, where as Qrow's left arm becomes more focused as we travel along the arm towards his glass: maybe if you had more focus along the arm towards Raven's left elbow, it would've been better.

Physical things like ear and "sketch lines", while unrealistic, don't hurt the picture: if anything augment the picture.

The only final comment I can say that is that while it is true that I absolutely enjoyed the picture's comedy, I feel that I enjoyed it only because it drew from classic anime tropes (like the angry visual effects, the nervous smile, sweat, etc.) If I consider that, I don't know if it's right to say that I enjoyed the piece per say, but rather then the elements it used to augment it's appearance. To make an analogy, it's like enjoying the condiments to a dish more than the dish itself. Regardless, well done.
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Critique by gersomvs Nov 21, 2016, 8:18:25 AM
So when you look at the stars I gave this work you might ne shocked. I don't find this piece bad, but neither do I find it particularly stunning. It's average for me. This has all to do with its uniqueness ergo its originality. Ironically I find vision and originality two sides of the same coin that's why the rating is mostly consistent with each other. As for the technique, it's really impressive, but you've done better.

Now as for defending my view:

when I read the previous critique I decided to take a look at Raven's arm and now I cannot unsee its weirdness, but it's not so much due to the arm. In fact when I look at the angle, it seems as if she's missing her left breast which is practically replaced with the arm. Maybe picking an angle like this wasn't the smartest decision.

Now for the rest of the piece. It's fun. Nothing more, nothing less. You've already introduced us to your style and you've clearly mastered it, however it's a familiar style which many anime fans apply to their artwork. Tat is why my rating of the originality is so low. Of course you can pick any scene you want and you can be very original in the application of the style, but this specific scene isn't the most impressive.

FurthermoreI don't think you captured the atmosphere of this scene adequately. It has the typical anime trope of two characters being annoyed with each other, but in a comedic way. The scene in the show was for more gloomy, dark and tense than that. Comedy had no part to play in it. The only thing from which I can garner the tenseness in the scene (besides the exaggerated veins) is Raven's narrowed eyes. She looks REALLY PISSED.

Finally, I feel like you could have done a bit more work with the lighting and the shading of the piece.
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:iconshikomekidomi:
shikomekidomi Featured By Owner Apr 22, 2018  Hobbyist
That poor waitress is captured perfectly.
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:iconneomatrix000:
NeoMatrix000 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Poor waitress
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:iconavenger09:
avenger09 Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
"Drunk!"
"Abandoner!" 
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:icongametagger457:
GameTagger457 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
"Wasted bum!"
"Apathetic backslider!"
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:iconworstotakuever:
WorstOtakuEver Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2018
"Bitch!"
"Asshole!"
"C*nt!"
"Cocksucker!"
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:icongametagger457:
GameTagger457 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
"Ozpin's kissup!"

Devilish "Dragon Whore." Devilish
Stare "..........................................." Stare (draws sword and holds it at Qrow's neckrage"YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!!!"rage 
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:iconavenger09:
avenger09 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
"Skirt Chaser!"
"Horrible Hair!"
"You take that back! You know I can't tame this!"
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:icongametagger457:
GameTagger457 Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
look up ;)
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:iconpuppet3art:
Puppet3Art Featured By Owner Jul 16, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Their meeting in a nutshell ahahahah poor waitress... she even had to deal with Tyrian after that too
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:icongillspar:
gillspar Featured By Owner Edited Aug 2, 2017
I wonder if Tyrian killed her?  That guy's a brick short of a load.
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:icondraconic1:
Draconic1 Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2017  Student Writer
Probably not. He likely won’t do anything unless Salem expressly orders it of him. That said, just having to talk to that loon is probably a highly traumatic experience.
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gordhanx Featured By Owner Apr 4, 2017
Man, they sure do have one weird family tree don't they? Great work on this. The expressions are both funny & insightful, the idea's incredibly hilarious and of course, the details are as amazing as always.
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:iconshiranai-atsune:
Shiranai-Atsune Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2017
I can just imagine this! :)

If only it did happen...
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:iconxxwarrior-angelxx:
xXWarrior-AngelXx Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2017  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm surprised that glass hasn't shattered
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:iconalexkazuya83:
Alexkazuya83 Featured By Owner Edited Jan 1, 2017
Qrow = Dante vs Raven = Vergil? LOL
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:icongiantguy45:
Giantguy45 Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2017
I see
Guts (Berserk) = Qrow
General Esdeath (Akame ga Kill) = Raven
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:iconshinobigeki:
shinobigeki Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2017
Lol believe me I was the only one think in that
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:iconalexkazuya83:
Alexkazuya83 Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2017
xD lol ikr.
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:iconazariahrobinson:
azariahrobinson Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2016
I can just imagine summer having a brother so they have another uncle or an aunt that we haven't met yet because arrow is yang uncle
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:iconkingofthecouch:
Kingofthecouch Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2016
the birds of a feather do NOT get along very well
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:iconschattenlotus:
SchattenLotus Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2016
Yang's whole Family is SAVAGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


N~aaah, Ruby not so much, maybe :XD: :D
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:iconzeonista:
Zeonista Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2016
Yeah, this pretty much the subtest for their meeting, and probably a few other meetings as well... No quarrel like a family quarrel, augmented by their being former comrades. 
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:iconneogoki:
neogoki Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2016
despite their bird-themes, these two look like a pair of angry cats here :D
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:iconbninja1994:
bninja1994 Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2016
No they are angry birds
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:iconneogoki:
neogoki Featured By Owner Dec 28, 2016
even better :D
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:icongunmasterg3:
GunMasterG3 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm... A tribe eh? This could actually be played sympathetically.

A) They are a native tribe from somewhere (Mantle/Altas maybe?) that lost their land and now raid villages and towns because their original way of life was stolen from them. "Murderers and thieves" don't usually start that way.

B) They are Nomads who have always survived this way and either don't know how or don't want to  become part of contemporary Remnant society (Most likely), and Raven is the lone voice of Reason left among them. It would also explain why Raven left. Tai in the end wanted nothing to do with the tribe for one reason or another, and Raven couldn't bear having all her family together and/or wanted to raise Yang per tribal traditions and conditions and Tai didn't want that.
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demon0496 Featured By Owner Dec 5, 2016
I think more drinks will make it worse...
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Lord-Winterman Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I think if I saw a huntsman and huntress like that, I'd probably run to the safest, sturdiest structure I could find. Those sorts of things could get messy.
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poliwhirl101 Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
Raven's not a huntress. A huntress doesn't rob and kill people.
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Lord-Winterman Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Former huntress, then. She still has all the powers and training that go along with the package, just a lack of moral restraint on their usage against the innocent.
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GunMasterG3 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
We really don't know much about Huntsmen really. There don't seem to be any laws in Remnant pertaining to how Huntsmen/Huntresses can conduct themselves in anyway. It seems they police themselves.

So technically what Raven is doing with her tribe isn't illegal by any remnant law. Then again if "It isn't against the law" is your only arguement, you probably shouldn't be doing it anyway.
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poliwhirl101 Featured By Owner Dec 3, 2016
Fair enough.
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:icontomytieneblas74:
tomytieneblas74 Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Best choice of words for the title! 😁
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
.....Ok just back away slowly and hope the tension between them doesn't draws to you and stay out of it.
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:icongamergirl116:
GamerGirl116 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016  Student General Artist
I was hoping for a bar brawl in this scenario... but it didn't happen. I was sorely dissapointed this episode T_T
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
Maybe next time there will be.
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:iconjw-gojifan:
JW-Gojifan Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You were disappointed in an episode that showed one of our main characters begin to recover, on top of seeing Raven and Qrow have an unstable conversation not to mention learning more about her? Why does everyone want fighting in each episode?
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
I think its cause a lot of people just like action, especially in a show shows that in a very good away. But I agree with you character and world development/building is very good.
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JW-Gojifan Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I like the action in RWBY too but the slower scenes are great as well. I remember Yang relating to Blake's obsession for answers, Jaune and Pyrrha talking about destiny, heck even Qrow talking to Ruby and Yang about going far if they never stop learning and moving forward.
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2016
Oh yes indeed Dino stuff and qualities like those are very important in many franchises, or else it will just be mindless action/violence. And as good that is at times its just not enough or good enough.
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JW-Gojifan Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's like with the MCU. All of them have great action but the characters have to interact, develop and overcome their problems. Looks like that series is doing just fine and that's how I feel about RWBY
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016
I agree completely with you there.
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GamerGirl116 Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2016  Student General Artist
      Mostly because I've seen too many stories that have something almost similar to this plot line such as; (SPOILERS AHEAD) a specific episode in Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood (don't watch the original anime series because they de-tracked from the original manga story) shortly after Ed lost his arm and leg and he's forced to make a choice between moping or fighting to return his brother and himself to normal, Miyafuji being scared shitless after a Neuroi attacks the Akagi in Strike Witches, Misaka being torn up upon finding out that she has clones that are being ripped to pieces (literally) by Accelerator in Railgun, Mikasa nearly snapping (or maybe she did actually snap) when she thought Eren died in Attack on Titan during the first season, Armin dealing with shock when he witnessed Eren getting chomped by a Titan (also in Attack on Titan Season 1), Levi losing his head in Attack on Titan OVA 3 after he saw his best friends killed by an Abberant-class Titan during their first recon mission outside of the walls, Akeno having to deal with her past trauma during a thunderstorm and inner conflict between saving her childhood friend and keeping her crew alive in Haifuri, Jonas being unable to explain his decision in leaving Koko's squad which leads to a 2 year time skip of finding his answer while working under Kasper Hekmatyar near the end of Season 2 Perfect Order in Jormungand, Crona's disturbed past due to his/her mother Medusa Gorgon abusing and experimenting on Crona and Crona having to fight his/her inner conflict between his loyalty to Medusa or his new friends in Soul Eater, and etc. etc.

    The previous pargraph basically explains why I was dissapointed because seeing too many shows with similar plot lines makes Yang's recovery after her traumatizing experience lose much of its emotional appeal, also I did not state that I want to see fights every single episode. The source of my dissapointment was that I was hoping the animators can spice up Qrow and Raven's turbulent relationship by turning it into an all-out brawl. And before you pull the "Then-why-are-you-watching-this-show-GET-OUT-if-you-don't-like-it" card, I never said I hated RWBY either and I love the show to bits. Still I am unsure of the actual route (who dies next, who gets to kill the baddie, etc.) of this show, but so far I am enjoying the very dark and mature atmosphere that RWBY has become. And it pleases me regarding the rumors that Monty Oum had planned for RWBY to become darker, and had set the plot for the next 10-11 volumes.  As for your second question, those who want to see fights are; fight junkies, new to the world of anime, Naruto fans (Gosh I cannot fathom why anyone likes that show), or like my case, have seen so many examples of the same plot lines that the emotional appeal has gotten bland for lack of a better word.

P.S. (SPOILERS and speculation) Hearing Ozpin again when that boy stared at the mirror was somewhat of a surprise. I expected that headmaster to show up in the flesh, but it's rather freaky that hearing just his voice gives me the impression that he possesed the poor kid. Still it does explain why we see a random kid in the first episode of Volume 3, and he is tied to the Ozpin plot-line in some way.
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JW-Gojifan Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Well I've never seen nor heard of Full Metal Alchemist though. I don't watch many shows but RWBY is a show I like very much and I don't understand how people can not like something like it.
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TheGreatDevin Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Qrow: Deserter! Raven: Durnkie! Qrow: Due to you abandoning Yang. Me and your husband had to pick up the slack!  
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KalebGrimm24 Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2017
SHOTS FIRED
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:iconthegreatdevin:
TheGreatDevin Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indeed 
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SPARTAN-WOLF Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2016
OH BURN!!
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CobraCatDragon2898 Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2016  Student Digital Artist
Awesome!
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TheWingedOnes Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just watched this. At least we finally see Raven  in more detail.
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