Dino Speaks: The Infamous Reader Insert
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This is a journal entry for my Follower Friday journal set.
 
  While they're definitely popular works of fiction, reader insert stories often have a negative image in many writing communities. If you're reading this, you probably know I'm a reader insert writer as well.

    Today, I'm not necessarily defending these types of stories as a form of literature, but instead, I'd just like to hear peoples' opinions on them-- why you like them, why you don't, or what you would change about them-- and share my own. I'd really love to hear some arguments as to why you may dislike them, but I ask you do so in a polite and constructive manner with your fellow commenters!

    I'm going to start by outlining a couple common arguments I've heard opposing reader inserts, some of which I agree with, and some not so much.


1) It can be weird that you're being told what to do.
    This seems like the make or break factor at times as to whether someone likes reader inserts or not. I think one of the most important things in reader inserts is to remember that despite being a bit of a fictional escape, just like any story, you want to aim for realistic reaction and dialogue. Would characters actually react this way? Would an actual person react this way? An alternative is writing in 3rd person POV, but even sometimes, people don't like reading them-- fair enough.

2) Mary Sues and Plot Clichés
    Yes, the reader is often portrayed as a Mary Sue, and yes, it's definitely hard to develop a personality for a character who is different depending on who is reading the story-- what's the perfect balance between too vague and too specific? I do agree that there are waaaay too many stories where the world revolves around one character and everyone in their lives is working to ship them with whoever they're paired with. However, I think there are a lot of Mary Sues and Gary Stus in normal fiction and honestly, even famous works of fiction-- they just happen to be more prevalent in reader inserts as someone's "ideal". I don't think this plagues every single reader insert, but can be painstakingly common.

3) Lack of Creativity
    
This probably relates to my last point quite a bit, and of course, there are two sides to this as well. People seem to naturally copy what is successful-- what comes to mind is how some DreamWorks movies are eerily similar to Disney predecessors (A Bug's Life then Antz, Finding Nemo then Shark Tale, etc... I think Shrek was a DreamWorks masterpiece even though it's meme'd so much, but with some other movies I can't help but notice similarities). However, people also like to take "reader insert" quite literally, and they actually rewrite a canon scene but just with them in it, like competing in the Triwizard tournament with Harry Potter. That being said, there are some clichés that I absolutely love (and will probably write a journal about soon), and plot copying isn't the worst thing you can do, but c'mon, I'm sure you have a billion more different ideas in there! It does suck reading through the same stories over and over again, but I think once again, it's a matter of how many you have to look through.

4) Reader Inserts are Self-Indulgent
    
I have two words for you-- you're correct. Everyone has their reasons for writing, but I find a common path for reader insert writers is reading regular fics then wanting to be a character in them. Or at least, I started writing reader inserts because I loved the characters and imagined myself interacting with them, which evolved in trying to make a relatable character that others could use as well. So this may not apply to everyone, but hey, you're literally inserting yourself into the story, so I'm not really against this argument.


    Just like other works of fiction can be bad, reader inserts can be some of the cringiest things you read in your lifetime. Each "type" of fiction definitely has its own problems (for example, shipping wars or dislike of shipping in general), and these are some that are definitely common with reader inserts. Believe me, there are a ton of tropes that I've seen in reader inserts that make me roll my eyes so hard, and there are probably many in my own stories that others find overused or poorly done as well.



    Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I think these opinions are quite popular among the reader insert community and many would agree with them. Therefore, I'd really appreciate hearing some that disagree with any or all of these points, and why!

    At the end of the day, reader inserts are a guilty pleasure for me, and simply another way to enjoy the fandoms I'm in. I don't think I'm a super skilled writer-- rather, this is just something I do for fun, as I like to imagine myself in the world of whatever fandom I'm writing about. I believe that in general, everyone has a right to enjoy whatever they want so long as it doesn't harm others. Everyone has a right to dislike certain types of stories as well! But I don't think it's right to discourage someone from expressing themselves in a healthy and creative way.

    Reader inserts are a fun, daydream-y way to escape life for a while and imagine yourself in your favourite universes. They allow people to express their love for and get involved with particular fandoms.

And everyone deserves to be able to do that, don't they?

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I would agree with everything you said a couple of years ago, but I definitely think that the reader-insert community is evolving.

I mean, I have never seen this much creativity and diversity than nowadays (here I am talking like a granny). Like, four years ago? It was really what you depicted, apart from a few fics, but now, wherever I go, I stumble on numerous jewels! What "people" (well, the ones who don't like fanfics) may object were true most of the time before, but now a very large portion of the writers and their works have really become better and sadly, only the clichés that you mentionned are remembered outside of this community. I wander a lot on DA, Wattpad, AO3, and all sorts of medias where people share reader-inserts, and the difference from a couple years ago is REALLY noticeable.

So hey, let's search for new standards under which we can create without shame! ´ ▽ ` )ノ Really, if I would love something to happen, it would be for readers-inserts to gain a legitimacy amongst other forms of amateur writing. Why not?
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That's a really good point that hasn't been brought up yet! I definitely see a huge improvement in both the community and myself from around 3-4 years ago as well, so I think that's a great thing. You're right, the frequency of seeing the typical "bad, cliché" fics that are infamous has definitely decreased from then, even with more writers emerging, and it's only natural that such a writing community evolves. However, I think there is still a lot of stigma in the type of fiction like I outlined above-- these are things I still hear around, though you're right, not as much.

I think the improvement of the community is a great thing to witness and I'm glad you pointed it out! Thank you so much for the comment! <3
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Ah, yes, these stigma still exist, and probably will always exist, as long as people write reader-inserts.

Oh, but there's one I can't agree with though, because I don't see how it could be different than any other form of expression: are reader-inserts really self-indulgent?
I mean, more than OC writing? Or any other form of art really. Sure, one puts oneself in the fic and create a story around that character that is supposed to represent them but hey. It's basically the same for the "non reader" characters. I have never heard of a writer who created a character who has absolutely no common trait with them, or any relatable trait at all. Even a villain, it does not have to be the hero. Every character holds a part of the writer, in all the ways possible.
As we plainly state that it is "us", "me", interacting with already existing characters. However, even the already existing characters that we use in our reader-inserts come to belong to us, even a little, and even for a short while, as we make them live in our text. They go from "someone else's character" to "kind of a shared persona". Hence, how different is a plainly stated "me" character evolving with "almost" our characters (for the time of the writing), with not "us" character evolving with people we fully created?
To some extend, I think it is the same. No, in fact, I fully think it is the same in essence, although the real difference resides in how the reader (the real person) will feel about it. Will they imagine as themselves literally, or as a person halfway between them and an original person who holds at the same time their traits and the writer's traits? And how can we say that something so great is a bad thing? Being so self-indulgent, so obvious is something that lies in reader-inserts only, and we should treasure that unique way of writing and reading, instead of trying to be like the other forms of writing. If reader-inserts exist, that is for a reason. Not everyone has the same, but in the end, being self-indulgent is what a reader-insert means. And the consequences of it are not to be jeered or laughed at, but appreciated.

I don't know if any of my words make sense though, I feel like I've just blown everything in a horrible messy way. xD

Long story short, what I mean to say is, that every form of writing is a way to put a piece of ourselves in something external to our sole body and mind. Reader-inserts are just a more obvious way to place that part of us in the text. 
So if reader-inserts are self-indulgent, then all writings are. And the fact that reader-inserts are so evidently self-indulgent is good, not bad, because of all the things that comes from it. That's what I want to say.

did I just get emotionnal about a guilty pleasure?
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Yeah, I feel that as well haha.

Okay, that's actually a really good point you bring up there! I do think first of all, that being self-indulgent isn't necessarily a bad thing-- we're so used to a culture that doesn't encourage a ton of self-care (maybe on the surface, then the same people criticize others for caring too much about themselves and not every other issue), but you're right, in that sense, all other writers are writing for themselves. They just have a different way of living through the characters-- through other characters, rather than a reader. Reading can get you lost in a fantasy world, so you're right

I think the source of this argument stems from extremes; that is, those fics that are arguably not very different than some rudimentary OC fics. I think it comes from overdescription-- for example, "you have blue hair, hate wearing dresses, and are not like the other girls" (in which case I'd say that's a self-insert, but to avoid making things complicated, I would just say it's a reader insert as well, lmao). This does go back to your first point from a previous post though-- I see a lot less of that kind of reader insert now, so once again, these perceptions come from past images.

Anyway, assuming that I'm getting the gist of what you're saying, I don't think self-indulgence should be shamed, especially not to this degree (there are bad forms of self-indulgent in which you take away from someone else, but this isn't like that at all).
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Yes, I get what you mean I agree with it. In the end I'm just kind of sad to see that reader-inserts are almost only judged with those extremes (makes me think about the way gamers are seen really xD).

Let's just hope that slowly, outsiders will understand how good can reader-inserts be and how much deeper it can be than simply putting oneself in a world that already exists! Heart Heart 
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Yeah true, people tend to categorize things into stereotypes and look at things the only way they've learned them, so it takes a long time to change community perceptions. I have definitely seen a TON of improvement in the community these past few years, agreed, so a shift usually follows after that!

Yeah, exactly! It's a super fun experience and good for the imagination! :D
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I gotta say, yes a lot of them can be cringey. And its kinda silly to make a big deal of it and call out that writer for a harmless story.

If people dont like reading, then they dont have to. They should move on. Find another XD

So far i do enjoy reader insert stories if written well and with a good enough plot. My standards for it arent that high. To me, alll that matters is that i enjoy it.

And i have respect for people who take the time to write creatively 
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I really like the points you bring up! I don't believe in leaving negative comments or personal call-outs, and while I personally enjoy constructive criticism, I don't post it myself unless the author asks. Honestly, these are really just my opinions from being in the community for a while but really, I don't think anyone should have to listen to me-- if they like what they're doing, then they should rock it!! I'm hoping this can serve as somewhat of a reference for maybe someone who wants to take their writing to the next level and see the common complaints surrounding these types of stories... but at the end of the day, you're right, people should just be able to write what they want to write.

Thank you so much for your comment! <3
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No prob! I do enjoy these kind of discussions! 
Writing a story and posting it for everyone to see takes guts because then u are making yourself vulnerable to all kinds of criticisms
That's something I respect because at least they are doing something creative and harmless in their time rather than whine about stuff like they are better than everyone else (such is what the trolls and jerks online do)

I also agree with u in that u dont give constructive criticism unless the person specifically asks for it
To forcefully give ur opinion to someone who doesnt want it is an arrogant and self serving thing to do. Because sometimes i dont think they are trying to help but rather, at times, they just wanna show off that they know better :D I think the key is just knowing how to communicate effectively. However there are still some butthurt sensitive people out there who wont listen to logic even if u do communicate properly as best u can
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That's great to hear!
And yes, definitely true with anything you create-- I feel like at times, I take that for granted because it takes a lot for some people to put themselves out there, and it's really brave!
And on a side note-- I hope my journal doesn't come across this way, it was more to just see both sides but hopefully shed some light on how reader inserts are similar to fanfiction but often get the brunt of criticism. Either way, you're right, I think people should be actively encouraged. If people don't like a story, they don't have to read it!

Yeah, that's very true in a lot of cases. I do personally like criticism because I think you need it to grow and improve, and it helps you to step outside of your comfort zone. However, I do respect if people don't want it right away, as it took me a long time to gather up the courage to face criticism as well-- people can do it at their own pace. Yeah, there will always be some really negative people but I think being encouraging is a super powerful and helpful thing! :D
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I like that you are keeping an open mind while writing this journal. Some people tend to be too aggressive when it comes to their opinions and that can lead to petty fights.

Yes, some people think that just because someone posted something online it grants them the right to give criticism right away even though the person didnt ask for it. 
Regardless of motive or how much a critic wants the artist to improve, they should also learn to respect that artist's wish.
And if a person is not ready for criticism, they should note that somewhere in the description or disable comments if they must. Because people will likely criticize. People do love talking about their opinions :D
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Thank you so much! Yeah, I don't mean for this to come off as a "you MUST do this" guide so I'm glad it didn't come off as too much of that, but rather kinda just trying to see both sides of the coin as I write a ton of reader inserts and these have been my personal experiences. And being in the community for a while, I see a lot of the same kinds of fics with mistakes so I hope this just makes some people think a little but it's almost like you have to go through some of that to keep improving!

Exactly... it's definitely pretty brave to put work out there. And that's a good point you bring up-- it's when people are ready for it, fair enough. I do love criticism and opinions though, it's very uncomfortable to go through at times but I think it makes an artist or writer a lot better when they are able to use it. But that's something you learn in time!
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Yep! I'm open to criticisms and i dont recall ever being upset with someone because of the criticism they gave my drawing. In fact, I always take note of them and try to improve in those aspects they pointed out!
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Exactly, that's awesome! I get what you say though when some people just simply don't want criticism for whatever reason, which I agree, is okay and should be respected!
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Ahh I think like a lot of other people, it really bothers me when I see comments on reader fics that are like "I'd never do something like that" since it's impossible to generalise actions in a way that it encompasses everyone, and if you don't give the reader a bit of personality, it'd be really difficult to even write a story with enough substance. And the extremely shy reader also kind of gets annoying since there are a lot of fics like that! If it were only a few, I wouldn't mind but - oh boy there's a lot of them alright (':

And I feel kind of embarrassed to tell people that I read/write reader insert fics?? I remember once I was going through my countless number of screenshots and my friend was looking over my shoulder when suddenly I come across a screenshot of a reader insert fic that I liked. My friend said in this sort of judgemental tone, "xReader?" and holy I was so embarrassed omg. Even with one of my other friends who's super open-minded about things, I always feel hesitant talking about this topic with her, and I guess one of the main reasons why I don't like sharing my writing with my friends is because I mostly write reader fics nowadays. Also I wouldn't like it if my friends think I write/read reader fics because I want to imagine myself in the scene with the characters (though there's absolutely nothing wrong with the self-indulgence - I just don't like it when the reasons why I do something are assumed and also incorrect lmao) - I more so enjoy reader fics because I'm a sucker for fluff/angst/everything with fictional characters lolol and for some reason I don't really like OC fics (even though a reader insert is similar to an OC fic - I'm not too sure what makes the difference for me). 

Also with the cliches oml - I love cliches, I'd totally write them myself, but of course, after a while it gets a bit boring when it's just the same thing over and over again? Even adding a small twist makes a huge difference because it's always fun to see how authors reinterpret the cliche and add their own spin to it, and a lot of authors on dA do add their own unique flare to a trope so I don't often get bored of it! A common idea I've seen around a lot is when the author begins the fic by making it super fluffy and cute with the reader describing their love for another character, and at the end, the author hits the audience with the reality where the person reader loves doesn't actually love them back (and they love someone else instead rip). There are so many different ways to write this idea, but one I see a lot is the wedding trope! I love reading these but sometimes, I come across fics where there's no new twist or no new idea that makes it a bit different - I remember one I read a while ago added the red string of fate to it, so that was something I really enjoyed. But then again, if the writing is amazing and my heart gets wrenched, I have no complaints lolol

On another random note, it's cool of you to come out with a new journal every week where we can have some sort of discussion! It's always fun reading everyone's opinions about a topic (and it's also fun spending way too much time writing about my own opinion lmao) xx
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Very true, I think there's a such thing as being way too specific, but that's when it's more like, "you, the reader, have blue hair, love Fall Out Boy, and think preps suck", and it has no bearing on the story. But just because the reader ordered a certain drink? Yeah, no. Definitely too many shy, helpless readers. I don't mind people being shy at all, it's more just that there's too many and I think they mistype shy people as being just socially helpless and cute and in need of saving and I don't feel that!!

Omg don't even worry, I'm in the same boat as you-- this is a more private aspect of my life as well. And as for the OC fics... I usually see myself in reader inserts so OC ones get too specific to the character, personally!

Love certain clichés, but yes yes yes! Small twists for sure can make a HUGE difference. I love café ones, but I've seen too many of the reader being this frazzled, workaholic girl with sweatpants, a laptop, and hair in a bun, then the server sits down with them and gets their number. A lot of them are really well-written! But I still want a twist on that, haha. Good call with the wedding trope lmao, but yeah totally feel ya.

Aw, thank you so much! I actually really appreciate that a ton... not every week is opinion week but I do have a directory right on my profile! I really liked hearing yours and I'm glad you like to read the comments as well, so thank you so much!! <3
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Ahh that's true - it's always important to remember to never include too many unnecessary things in the story if they don't play an important part! And shy people can be strong and independent too mhm

I would just go and hide if one of my friends ever found my dA oml. Actually I remember reading a few fics where the title said it was xreader but it was actually an OC fic instead rip

Omg who doesn't love the cafe trope?? :D Reading a cliche that's beautifully written is always nice, but it's still so much more pleasant to read when there's a twist that makes it a bit different! 

Ahh it's my pleasure! I always look forward to these journals xx
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For sure! And I'm very outgoing, but I find shy people are some of THE most strong and independent people I know! I don't mind shyness at all, it's just that writers make them helpless and useless and everyone falls in love with them. Give me a bit of struggle, but also some character, ya know???

Ahaha I feel! And like, it was straight up an OC? I know someone had an issue with one of my stories where they said it should've been an OC story but I really disagreed; it was based on a request and the details were necessary to the plotline. But I know some are just straight up an OC fic, that's weird how they would label it as a reader insert.

And exactly... some are always just comfortable to read, but I want more that are risky and creative! Something that makes me look at things differently! To each their own, though.

Ahhhh, I'm excited that you're excited! :D
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That's definitely true! It's so frustrating that so many shy characters are also characterised as helpless agh. I'm not necessarily shy but I am quiet around people I don't know well, and I am absolutely not as helpless as some of those characters oml

Ooohh I see! Yeah, sometimes you really do need to add that more detail to the story but as long as it doesn't go overboard, it should be fine. As readers, we should also be a little flexible when reading reader inserts, but I've come across a story where the reader was already given a name by the author?? A problem like that is relatively easy to fix though so I hope the author made the edits, or removed the xreader label.
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Yeah, exactly. And actually you bring up a great point, a LOT of people can be so middle ground-- quiet when meeting new people, and need to get comfortable with their friends.

That's definitely a challenge in reader inserts-- the balance between too vague and too specific, so honestly I congratulate people who are always able to pull it off, but it's a learning process! And LOL yeah, those ones where they're like, "Your name is Nina Smith and you are a 3rd year... blah blah blah." I'm like LOL girl it's you as your OC or something feel free to write it as such ahhahaha
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Ahh that's also something I relate to! This guy in my grade asked my friend if I even talk around her (and my other friends) because I'm sometimes so dead quiet lolol

Omg yep I've definitely seen those sort of fics around! It's not that difficult to put "OC" rather than "reader" ahh. And I see that kind of writing style in reader inserts too ("You're a shy, quiet girl and you have a crush on [character]") where the author just - directly tells you everything rather than showing it. 
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Ahahaha, exactly. There are different types of shy-- for example, reserved unless with friends, anxious around anyone in general, plain secretive because they're hiding something, etc... so maybe that's why I dislike "shy" readers. Obviously with reader inserts you have to generalize the reader to some extent, but there are so many more "shy" personalities you can give them that will actually FIT with the story if you want them to be shy and give reader some real personality without making them too specific, either.

Haha, so true-- it's not like everyone doesn't already know it's an OC story, LOL. And you summed it up perfectly with that classic writing rule-- show, not tell. ;)
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oh boy, this is certainly something i can talk about. 

personally, i love reader inserts bc i daydream during almost every point in my life when i'm not focusing my attention on something else. doing the chores? daydreaming. walking somewhere? daydreaming. car rides? daydreaming. boring classes when i'm meant to be paying attention? ...daydreaming. and 90% of these daydreams are about romantic (occassionally platonic) relationships with either fictional characters or people half way across the world that don't know i exist. i have full plots in so many alternate realities and storylines, i'd probably be a great x reader writer if i actually decided to sit down and write one. reading reader inserts is just another way for me to daydream about these characters, but for me to not necessarily know exactly what's gonna happen next or be able to control what happens. also, i just daydream/read a lot bc im really fucking lonely and i scare off or befriend everyone irl.

reader traits matter a lot to me. not necessarily "i wouldn't order a caramel latte" type things, i just roll with those (although, i do get slightly annoyed when the reader puts on makeup/wears dresses/wears heels etc bc i personally hate those with a passion, but i kinda just brush those off and pretend i'm wearing something different instead or just whatever) but more so the personality of the reader. i'm quite an adaptable person, so more often than not i can relate to the reader, but theres one thing that puts me off every time. the whole "i'm shy weak and useless and a nobody but my crush finds it endearing and attractive". like i understand a lot of people on the internet are shy, and sometimes, pushovers, but i just find it so annoying! like when the reader is being bullied and they just feel bad about it and mope and stare at their feet like no if that was me i'd snap right back at em and roast em so hard they would need some aloe vera for that burn, don't fuck w me. if there's some creep tryna harrass me in a gang au you bet your ass i'll kick him straight where the sun doesn't shine. if a dude won't leave me alone at the bar and is being really annoying and jerky i'd stick up the bird or even slap him if he tried to touch me. readers gotta be more aggressive!!! your man aint always gonna be there to save your ass!!! fuck damsels in distress!!! also the "i'm so shy i can barely even talk to him" i know once again some people are just too shy and i get it but not everyone is and they just seem so feeble and helpless im like??? girl grow some BALLS like if he says hi don't drop all your shit and stutter just say hi back it's really not that hard. i don't expect readers to be able to comfortably roast their crush like i do but come oooon. guys like girls with an actual personality??? i mean, obviously i can't really speak for guys bc im not but i like girls and shy girls can be cute yeah but im not gonna be completely swept off my feet with a mary sue that has a personality of a sock. another similar, HUGE peeve of mine is when the reader has the biggest emotional breakdown and sob story about their ex and is sulking for weeks. like i get its sad but honestly?? fuck that "what did i do wrong" "i miss him" shit, if my jackass cliche ex cheated on me i wouldn't wonder whats wrong with me i'd be like "well fuck HIM and his unloyal, lying stank ass, i'm fucking glad he's gone i hope he gets hit with a bus." i'd grab some friends and go out and distract myself and have a fun time. i guess what im tryna say in this whole rant is READER INSERTS NEED TO WOMAN UP AND NOT LET MEN TRAMPLE OVER THEM EVERYWHERE AND BE SUPER RELIANT ON THE CHARACTER YOURE BEING SHIPPED WITH. BE A STRONG INDEPENDANT WOMAN. this isn't even about me being a feminist anymore its just me wanting at least slightly more accurate reader inserts and less super annoying characters that are impossible to relate to bc im not that weak. it's my number 1 self insert pet peeve apart from shitty grammar and formatting.

you dino, don't really do this with your readers, but in reader inserts as a whole its way too common and i h a t e it.

cliches...i say i hate them, and i really do, but well written cliches that i saw from a mile away still have me squealing like a japanese schoolgirl okay. if its well written then so be it, it gets tiring after a while but its the same with any ship fic honestly. obviously realistic plots are highly, highly preferred, but i don't mind cliches half as much as i used to, although i wont look for them.
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Ah yes, I think I'm a daydreamer as well so I can see where you're coming from on that! It's almost like someone's writing a story just for you, haha.

And LOOOLLL omg okay I'm not going to have a super long response for that but believe me when I say that rant was awesome and you're not bothering me with long-ass post so please continue if you'd like hahaha, I really did enjoy that. I totally agree; while it is hard to give readers a personality, it seems like SO MANY readers are just way too cliché shy/weak/etc. and give the character no reason to fall in love with them then all of a sudden every character in the universe finds them cute and wants to ship them with their crush or whatever. I feel like that may have been something I did in the beginning, but I do try to avoid that now... it makes me gag more than it makes me go, "awww, cute"! And yeah, waaaaay too much self-pity there.

Yes yes, totally fair! Personally a sucker for the café AU lmao. Yeah, I like ones with twists on them usually, but still, definitely manageable.

Thanks for your comment! I hope you are able to write a reader insert one day! <3
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