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Ball jointed doll tutorial part 2

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:iconchococannon: Just a tip: Do NOT use Sculpey or Super Sculpey. It is VERY fragile and breaks easily. If you are using polymer clay for your BJD, I suggest Sculpey Premo, as it is more hard and durable when cured.

:iconilludyr: please let me share my experience; using flosrist foam SUCKS.
when I tried to wrap the clay around it it just crumbled down at the lightest pressure.
so I would NOT reccomend it, if you are able you could better use thicker foam or tinfoil.


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demongalHobbyist General Artist

I see this is several years old, but I want to get into doll making... I am generally good at clay sculpting but I’m concerned with the plastic in epoxy clays. While the simple solution is to use paper clay, I do want to make durable dolls. Have you ever tried making a wooden BJD? What would you think about it? I figured instead of stringing the joints together, I could use pins like the little wood art reference dolls. Should I bother with this medium? ^^; Thanks in advance!

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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist

I have not; I wouldn't be able to tell you the first thing about woodcarving, lol, it's very very different from working with clay! I can't really give you good advice on it, but maybe someone who is used to making wooden moving parts could help you! If you know how to make the right shapes and the material is strong enough, I'm sure you could use anything. Stoneclay is a good natural alternative to paperclay, there are lots of ceramics that can bake very hard, too. Sorry I'm not able to give you any better direction!

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demongalHobbyist General Artist
Don’t apologize! I appreciate your input! I honestly know like nothing about wood carving either hahahah.... I’ll try paper lay or stone clay first to get used to it lol
Niikose's avatar
NiikoseHobbyist General Artist
on average how much does the clay and such cost you in a year?
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
Well, I typically buy the clay in advance, but that question varies between 7 eu and 7000 eu depending on how big the doll you're making is, what kind of clay you are using, how many times you have to redo parts etc. For me, I usually spend about 30-40 worth of epoxy resin per bratz sized doll! I normally have to remake the arms and legs 2 or even 3 times, so a lot of it gets wasted.

I imagine it would cost around the same for a similar sized doll in sculpey, and about half that for stoneclay. :V You need about a kg of clay for most dolls, and you will likely have some left over. It's better to buy too much than run out and not be able to find the same clay again.
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NiikoseHobbyist General Artist
Thank you for replying, i really appreciate it! i'm in a independent living class and i'm doing a budgeting project right now. I understand material wise that expenses will change depending on what materials are chosen, about how much do you think you spend on just clay alone per doll and what sized doll?
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
If you reread the reply, you will see that I usually spend about 30-40 worth of epoxy resin per bratz sized doll. About this size:  i.pinimg.com/736x/13/42/86/134…
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NiikoseHobbyist General Artist
Ah! i see it, sorry about that. Thank you for the reply♥
edit- EU is euro correct?
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
It's ok! It happens with long comments. ;Y

Yes, it's euros!
Pixelcitizen's avatar
Great series of tutorials!

I've been thinking about getting into BJD's for awhile, so to find a very informative series of tutorials like this was awesome!

I do have a question, though:

There's this clay that I just found called Fimo Puppen Doll modeling clay. Apparently, it's an oven-dry clay meant for doll making. Have you had any experience with this? Would this work for a BJD?

Also, if you do have experience with those, how's the paint on them? Would it be any different than the other clay you mentioned?
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
I have used that clay! It takes a long time to warm up and soften in your hands, but it does work great, the texture is really nice. In my experience, it's better to do the blush and skin color with powder, like for ladies, and the details with acrylic paints. It's good!!
Pixelcitizen's avatar
Sounds really good! Thank You for the info! :)
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BlgodwinHobbyist General Artist
first off, thank you SO MUCH for this tutorial. I've been debating getting into BJDs for a while now and video tutorials just dont seem to do it for me. I'm going to sculpt my DnD character! 

Second, where do you purchase your lead weights? I'm buying supplies on amazon right now and I can't seem to find any that are the right size. My doll is going to be about 10 inches tall if that's helpful :)
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
Look for fishing weights on ebay! Split-shot ones are very small, they look like a little metal pac-man. You can buy a bag of them, and then use multiple ones to get the size/weight you need.
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BlgodwinHobbyist General Artist
awesome thank you! I've ordered my supplies :D

Just one last question for you: for the head, do you permanently reattach the skull portion at some point? Or if you leave it removable, how do you keep it on the head? :)
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
It stays loose, and is held on by the elastic string.
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Dark-Rose12 General Artist
Hey there! This tutorial is really helpful! I’m trying to get into making dolls and had a few questions however. I’m planning on making one doll to begin, then I plan to try and mold her after I’m done, to be able to make replacement pieces and new dolls. And I was wondering if, in my case, it would be okay to use Sculpey to begin? And if if I do end up molding her, what would you reccomend I use to do so? And what would you recommend that I fill the moods with? And how would I go about molding her and keeping the head and body hollow? I understand you may not know all the answers, but I am simply looking for a bit more insight before I begin the challenge of creating my first doll. Thank you very much for your time and thank you for your insight. 
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
You can use sculpey, but it isn't the best. For molds, you want to make silicone molds. You are gonna have to google how to make them because I have no clue. Once you have the molds, you need to look for two part liquid resin. That's what the finished dolls will be made of, and thst's what you'll pug in the molds. Good luck!
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Dark-Rose12 General Artist
Thank you so much! I’ll be sure to send a link to the wip and finished versions!
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
Thanks to you as well!
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Geeky-BunnyStudent General Artist
Hiya! Decided to get into making BJD's for picking up another hobby longside art. I have a few questions though.

Like which is best to use in your opinion from the Resin or the Paperclay?

Also- when people refering to "casting" the body of the doll they just made- are they refering to getting the body taken away to get mass produced in parts by a company?

Personally I'm just doing this for myself and have no intentions of selling them. So it's kind of hard to know what to do as a beginner and a hobbiest at once.

Sorry this is going on for so long! Thank you for making this thread of tips! It's so helpful and informative<3 And it makes me excited to begin ^^
Deskleaves's avatar
DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
The 2 part resin is SO MUCH BETTER. Yep, you're right about casting, but you can also make the molds yourself!
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Geeky-BunnyStudent General Artist
Thanks so much! I appreciate it <3
Will you able to find 2 part resin in like a hardware or art store?
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DeskleavesProfessional Digital Artist
It's better to buy it in an art store, but you CAN buy it in hardware store. Just make sure it's non-toxic!! The cheapest brand I know tht's still pretty damn good is called milliput. Good luck to you!!
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