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You know, the company that survived because of American tax payer dollars? The company that came crawling to the American people when they fat catted their way to the poor house?

How does GM pay the American people back? By building a new manufacturing plant in Kentucky!!! Oh wait a minute it's not Kentucky it's California!!! Oh hold on it's not either of those places...

It's freaking China!!!

So how does GM thank America? By sending jobs overseas. Thanks GM. The American work force didn't need that 1.1 BILLION dollar building built here, our construction people are too busy. And I'm sure no one needed jobs on the assembly line because, as we all know we don't have unemployed.

Hey GM... here's a big, stiff middle finger for you! You're back and in good shape now, how about not just paying back the money we gave you but also invest in your own country.

Oh and a big thanks to Washington DC for not putting any stipulations on the billions we gave them. Way to go boys and girls. You give someone what, 45 billion dollars and don't set any guidelines. As we all know giving money with out any oversite is a great idea!!! Now I wonder where all that money that went to the banks is? I'd ask Washington but they don't have any idea... It just keeps getting worse and worse.
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BriceChallamel Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
I read you and I feel sad of what I read for many reasons. I hesitated to comment, as this quite get out of photography, but I'd like to provide another perspective. And well, if THAT is nos photographic somehow I don't know what is... ;)

So here it goes: in the 80's, home appliances started flooding the western market from India and China. For instance tea boilers, which are plastic tubes with electric heating resistance in them. You would find them for 5$ in the stores... When they used to cost 7-8$ to produce in France where I live. Here we had 2 manufacturers called Moulinex and Seb who both thought they would disappear.

Moulinex actually did. They stayed in France, played politics, worked the unions, created huge strikes and protest marches and then just disappeared. 8 000 job were lost and we don't even count subcontracters.

Seb became what they are today: the world leader. They innovated and launched a boiler called "quick and hot" which combined electro-magnetic fields with electrical resistance to boil the water in 1.5 seconds. Manufacturing cost was around 12$ but they sold it 40$. Everyone started buying them because they saw value in having instant tea or coffee in the morning and not waiting the usual 90 seconds (too long... too short...).

With the profit they made, they went to China and used the low rate of the Yuan to buy all the competitors including the largest manufacturer called Supor. And they created 5 more factories in mainland China from 1985 to 2005.

So in these 30 years, Seb went from 70% workers in France to 20% workers in France and 80% abroad, most of them in India and China. But what we must know is that in absolute number the French workers went from 8 000 (they were the same size as Moulinex at that time) to 20 000. Nicely enough, they hired 70% of the workers laid off when Moulinex bankrupted.

I wrote a book about this, which is a bestseller in France but, of course, never interested an publisher in the States and really, I can understand why. For this I gathered all the data, interviewed all the key managers including both CEOs. It's a solid research (and as you'll have gathered by now, it's my main job to do this).

I hope this perspective sheds an brighter light on your thoughts: even though I can't say for GM, economic history shows over and over again that companies remaining local in a very competitive industry in the process of globalization always end up firing everyone, whereas creating value abroad is often the best way to reinvest it home. Many cases of course in the US like Apple, but I'm sure you know of them and how producing in China has lead to other types of controversy, but never to unemployment or poverty in Cupertino.

Well now, back to your wonderful photographs and no more economics or politics this year between us I promise! ;)
WarpedPurity Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Also, as a consumer, you buy the cheapest product you can (while still being of acceptable quality). If GM built all their plants in USA, then the cost of a GM car would be way higher than a comparable Ford or Chrysler. At that point, you wouldn't buy it.

Oh yeah, and didn't GM have to pay all that bailout money back?
WarpedPurity Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
If they built one in USA then people would complain that they're not making efficient use of the money they were give. Besides, having US employers in China helps strengthen ties between the two countries. You also have to remember that GM is an American company. The money that pays those Chinese wages comes from the sales of the cars, which they sell worldwide, bringing in money from all over the world. If you have a problem with a free economy, then move to a communist country.
Davenit Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012
What is this "free economy" you speak of. We're a cortocracy. Free economies are generally balanced on both ends. The current world economy isn't that way. Goods coming from America to other countries are taxed out the butt. A $2000 computer in the US costs $4000 in certain Asian countries. The EU VATS the living hell out of anything coming in. And can people making $4000 USD a year really afford anything made in the US?

THOSE countries protect (or try too) their own economies by taxing to the point you have to buy from your own. I will agree with you on one point. That the american people will have to realize that they can only afford a 32" widescreen instead of the 60". That getting the newest, latest, greatest gaming console isn't a necessity. That cars can last longer than 2 years. That if you make $40G a year you can't afford a$400,000 home.

And as for that "move to a communist country" line that shows a brilliant strike of righteous indignation that is so far off base. Lets talk about Russia...

In the cold war period they were invading countries left and right to push their own ideologies. Bombing whoever they wanted. They were making their country a police state using the KGB and other groups so people had no freedoms and the rich got richer. Their government controlled all their media to the point that the people never knew the truth, it was all propoganda. Their military not only clamped down on neighboring countries but also clamped down on their own people. Their economy was a complete cluster fuck due to shady financial dealings, bending to big business and succumbing to greed.

Oh holy hell, what country does that sound like now? I don't know what's happened to America but I don't recognize it anymore. As far as I know the US is the only country bombing/droning multiple sovereign nations without a declaration of war or even congressional approval of it. Homeland security, Stop-Frisk, bugging without warrants, explicit search and seizure, home invasion, detention without habeas corpus, tracking with impunity... etc, etc. Don't tell me about living in a communist country. That's bullshit. I have a right to live in this country and I have a right to be pissed as hell about what's going on in it. We're slowly becoming the evil empire. The very thing we despised and demonized in the 60's, 70's and 80's. We should be better than that.

So while I hear your wall street / big business dogma I would beg you to open your eyes and see what is really going on. Bug business isn't driven by wall street, wall street is driven by it. LOL. They are driven by greed and power. No one was arrested in 2008, no new laws were enacted after the melt down of the financial and business sector. Glass/Steagal was not put back in place and it would cure most of the shit the US is going thru now. The power mongers still got their millions in bonuses even though their companies failed to the tune of trillions of dollars. They big wigs weren't pushed out of their positions by the shareholders. So wall street drives shit. Wall street is a fixed game and those in the middle of it do well. All others fail because they have some pie eyed vision that there's a chance.

I've been in business for 30+ years now. I've run pretty large corporations. I get it. I know how it works. It's shifted so much in the last 30 years I don't even recognize it anymore. Business doesn't care about America like it use too. They care about themselves. Period.
WarpedPurity Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
But people still won't pay the higher price tag for something made in USA. It's just not a possibility to manufacture things in USA. If businesses are selfish for outsourcing, then consumers are selfish for buying things not made strictly in USA. It's too depressing to say everyone is evil.
Hellboundiam Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2012
Let us hope our outrage is matched at the polls in november.
gerafix Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Being a publicly traded company they have to do whatever they can to increase revenue every quarter, pretty much. It's the American way. GM is no more to blame than every eligible voter in America.
Sularma Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
The American taxpayers kept that company from going belly up. Then they turned around and sent most of their jobs overseas to other countries. So the government wasted the taxpayers money hoping to help the country and increase job only to keep a company a float that will never give a job to most of the people that kept the business from dying...

That's like asking you to share the cost of lunch with me and then eating all of it myself. How would you feel?
gerafix Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Right, so maybe the government should have had some stipulations, or enforced them, on the money they gave a publicly traded company whose only goal is to increase the value of stock for their shareholders? Your analogy is wrong, it's like voting for somebody who would give money to corporations with no stipulations and then being surprised when they do so (which has been done for decades upon decades in the US) lol.
Sularma Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Remember Solyndra? (not sure if I spelled that right)

Nuf said. We need new blood in our government. These "Career" politicians cause too many problems.
NorthernPearl Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
GM did us Swedes a wonderful favour over here by dropping SAAB, a profit making company with thousands of employees in Sweden, causing it to go bankrupt, ending an era of good quality cars and upping our unemployment.
IZZY-CHAN13 Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Not very surprised given our current situation :P That's still annoying though....
electricjonny Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
The more I realize that "making money is the bottom line", the more depressed and hopeless I get in life.
DarkEcoKat Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
It does upset me that America is outsourcing its manufacturing to foreign countries. We need to keep it here in america to keep the economg going.

we import more than we export. :/
devilicious Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Professional Photographer

we need a revolution - seriously - a few hundred years into the country and those in power clearly cannot handle it and the people can only take so much
HeyItsSpiffy Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2012
We need a revolution here in the UK as well - we not only have career politicians running it, we have special advisers advising them who are equally divorced from the real world. But hey, as long as they grease the palms of the press so that we get told to go hate on the foreigners and 'scroungers', everything will be A-OK! :|
Casperium Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Professional Digital Artist
That is too sad......
PhantomFraggmentor Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012
I wanna punch them so hard, my fist has a boner... :iconmiddlefingerplz:
wingsofdragons Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Not surprised they are dirt bags...!!
maybe karma will get the best of them.

Ashieepants Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012
You're surprised, why?

If companies can earn more money by sending jobs overseas then they will. GM isn't the only car manufacturing company to do that.
devilicious Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2012  Professional Photographer
i think his point is we BAILED THEM OUT in this country when we didn't have to and then this was their plan of action - it's disheartening - you cannot tell me they wouldn't profit as well here with so many folks needing the work
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