Is the ability to set a 'private' attribute on thumbnails (as defined in my journal) a good thing?
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I am an artist and I would like the option of making thumbnails private.
I am an artist and I would deny the option of making thumbnails private. (If you select this answer, please explain your objection in a comment)
I am a collector and I support the option of making thumbnails private.
I am a collector and I oppose the option of making thumbnails private.
I don't mind either way.
I don't understand, even after reading the journal.
Other - (please comment)
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The-Caped-Madman's avatar
The-Caped-MadmanHobbyist Photographer
I understand what you are asking for and why you would like it... but I disagree with the concept.

In general, art is created to be looked at (or listened to or whatever) and for that to happen it needs to be put on display.

In a way you are saying that you don't want your works to be displayed with other works that are of lower quality than yours. Or in it's basic terms - you don't want your art to be considered porn. That's a problem a lot of artists/photographers run into but it's not up to you to choose how your work is viewed by any other individual. Even if your (or any other artist's) work was placed in a room of it's own there are people who would still view it as porn (or art) depending on their beliefs. You can't stop people from seeing what they want to see or what they do see in any work of art.

Art is about breaking rules, not making them.
The-Caped-Madman's avatar
The-Caped-MadmanHobbyist Photographer
Mmmm... yes, you are right. This isn't worth it.
DaveAyerstDavies's avatar
This is not an art-vs-porn debate, and I think it clouds the main issue to go down that road.

It is a question of allowing artists to control the context in which their work is displayed, if they choose to take that option.

Anywhere else, other than dA , I have the right to control of the context of my images. It is not too much to ask that artists on dA shouldn't be given that same right.

Any artist will tell you that context is of paramount importance in the interpretation of a picture.

It is your right and freedom to disagree with this concept of control and perhaps the whole concept of copyright and ownership, but if anarchy prevailed, it is art that would suffer.
DaveAyerstDavies's avatar
You say " it's not up to you to choose how your work is viewed by any other individual." but what I am suggesting does not do that. Collectors on dA could still be able create and view their own collections, with or without the 'private' tag. There is no restriction proposed on that function. What I am proposing is that the collection remains private to the collector, if the owner of the original work has asked for that restriction.
The-Caped-Madman's avatar
The-Caped-MadmanHobbyist Photographer
Yes... but what you are saying is contradictory. You are not comfortable with Collector A displaying your images with with Photographer B's images. You don't mind that Collector A can collect them and look at them anytime he wants but you don't want Viewer C to look at Collector A's gallery... unless he makes his own in which case it's ok.

If someone were to buy some of your images and some of Photographer B's images would you try and tell them that they can't have guests over to look at them all at the same time? What you are trying to do is force your taste on the rest of the world and artists don't have that right.

As I said before, I do understand what you are trying to do and in an actual gallery - presentation is important (I've been in several). Even if you do get your wish to stop people from seeing your photos on dA, you'll find that a lot of them are already on sites like Tumblr (I just did a quick Google search) and you lost control of them a long time ago. Wanting a tiny bit of control here is kind of a silly thing to ask.
DaveAyerstDavies's avatar
You are missing the point here. I'm not 'forcing my taste' on anyone. They are my images and it is my right to control where they appear. When images go online, it does not make them public property.

For instance; to put an image in a 'group' requires the permission of the artist, yet any collector can put your picture in a publicly visible collection without permission. Why should one require permission and the other not?

I think what is at the bottom of your objection is that you think I want to suppress the kind of work that you like and that you produce. Well, although it is true that I don't like it (I have the freedom not to like something) and I don't think it has much artistic value, I wouldn't want to deny anyone the right to create it.

That is my last word on this subject, as this exchange is doomed to go nowhere. I don't think you will ever be persuaded that I'm not the dA thought police trying to rid dA of porn.
The-Caped-Madman's avatar
The-Caped-MadmanHobbyist Photographer
You are forcing your taste on everyone but it's a byproduct of your suggestion. If someone asks you if they can include one of your images in a group and you say "okay", that doesn't give you the right to sort through every submission made to the group after that point... which is what you would need if you want to keep your images from appearing next to something you don't like.

The strange thing is that seem to be breaking the idea that presentation is important in your own Gallery and Favourites collections. In your Favourites you have a folder called "Random things I don't have a collection for" (which is breaking your rule on it's own) and in it there is a picture of Upper Antelope Canyon surrounded by pictures of nude women. Forget about me or anyone else who looks in that folder, do you think the person who took that photo wants YOU to view it that way?

It's also interesting that you created a poll that specifically asks for people to explain their choice and then not want to discuss it with them when they disagree with you.
DaveAyerstDavies's avatar
What do they have to 'explain' if they agree?

Regarding my own collection; yes, it does cut both ways, but I wouldn't mind in the slightest if it was only me who could see my collections, in fact I would PREFER it that way. In bringing up 'Upper Antelope Canyon', you finally seem to have grasped the point.
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