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Published: May 21, 2011
I've been a member of DA for about 4 years now. Shortly after joining, I received a minor accolade from a guy who lives in Scotland, also a member here. Nothing over the top, just as simple acknowledgement of respect for my work. I went and took a look at his gallery, discovering he is not only an illustrator but a writer. I queried him regarding his writing, and we began both a discussion and a friendship which continues to this day.

For all that time, my friend has lagged behind me in page views. Now, we both have the "right" attitude towards page views. They mean very little... image views mean a lot more. But, something is about to happen, and because of one simple fact, I think it is noteworthy.

You see, I "retired" from a commercial art career of 30 years about 2 years ago. Since then, I have done very little in the way of new art. My friend, on the other hand, is an artist's artist. Committed to his work, and to developing his not inconsiderable skills. He works as a commercial artist, and also pursues a range of creative (and potentially lucrative) endeavors when on his own time.

And, for the first time in 4 years, he is about to pass me in page views. I do not know, but I would suspect he also going to overtake me in image views, if he hasn't already.

This is a site dedicated, primarily, to an appreciation of the visual arts. It is therefor, in my opinion, only right that my friend across the waters begin to enjoy the respect and attention he so richly deserves.

I will not mention my friend's name. To do so would draw too much attention to his page views, which would be to give page views far more attention than they deserve. Upon reading this, he will know it is aimed at him. That is enough.

It is nice to see someone important in the sphere of your life... a friend or a loved one, succeed. It is one of the returns we receive from the effort we put into developing and maintaining friendships. For my friend, I am proud, and glad.

In one small way, in one small corner, the world is turning precisely as it should.

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Lord-Retsudo|Professional Traditional Artist
To me, what this site is really all about is the shared honesty, wisdom and appreciation of good people whose opinions and friendships I value. That alone is probably all that's kept me here this long. I guess you probably know that as much as anyone :)
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Darkmir|Professional Digital Artist
It's interesting that you should put it quite like that. I sometimes wonder why I've maintained my membership here, let alone my subscription. DA has some very good aspects. It also has some that are frustrating and disappointing. Like yourself, it is the relationships, primarily, that keeps me coming back. As in "real" life, mine here are quite selective, and also extremely valuable to me. In making and keeping friends, I have always preferred quality over quantity.

I've come to accept the fact that DA is more of an oversize fan gathering than it is a regimented commercial site. Having grown as large as ti has, it has provided the owners with commercial opportunities I get the sense they did not foresee when they first designed the site. That doesn't change, however, the way it functions, or what it is, at it's core. DA is an extremely informal construct. If you review any of the pages that are created form time to time to celebrate or report on the progress of development, or community get togethers sponsored by the site owners, the sense that this is a site made by fans for fans is re-enforced. This accounts, I believe, for the informal (even dysfunctional, some would say) way many aspects of the site function, despite it having grown as large as it has. In much the same way that less developed fan organized sites primarily focus on just those elements of their object/subject of adoration which most appeal to the developer (s), everything about DA that isn't directly related to the interests of the developers seems to function either poorly, or not at all.

Having reached these conclusions, I have come it find it far easier to accept the site's short comings. I've also come to access it less as time has gone by. I still come to the site nearly every day, but I now only stay here long enough to do the few things I still use the site for, such as staying in contact with friends and viewing their new work, and then I leave. I also suspect that the longer one is a member here, the more this becomes true for anyone who is not specifically attuned to the core reasons the site was created for in the first place. DA can be used for other purposes, I know, such as getting your work in front of a large audience which is generally predisposed to be receptive to it, but I still feel that users with generalized requirements from an art warehouse and/or promotional site will come to use DA in ways not foreseen by the authors, nor having anything to do with the actual design or purpose of the site.

All in all, however, I am grateful DA is here. Despite it's less appealing aspects, it is just about the only place on the web where I could have met and forged or reforged friendships with all of the people I maintain associations with here. Between more recent contacts, such as yourself, and the rekindling of friendships with people I have known for decades, but lost contact with through the years, DA has come to mean a very great deal to me, if not for any reason I believe the authors might have suspected when they developed the site.
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Lord-Retsudo|Professional Traditional Artist
That's a really interesting way of looking at things. I've never thought of it from the point of view of DA's own creators before. I've seen the site de-evolve over the years with the removal of a lot of useful and simple functions ( e.g gallery edit options ), and the addition of pointless crap ( e.g llamas ) but it's the real people at the other end of a long-distance network connection that still make it what it is. I've learned, gained, and produced so much in the almost 4 years I've been here, I can't even start to quantify it all. While my own personal web gallery has brought me paid work in the last 3 years, this free showcase has given me an outlet for all the free-time nonsense I do, the experiments, the sketches, the failed WIPs and the precious personal projects that I care about far more than money.

Still enjoying the ride ;)
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Darkmir|Professional Digital Artist
Me too, Chaz...:)

Not only dropped, but dropped with no apparent reason for them to have done so. The gallery edit functions were increased, then decreased, with little or no notice. Sort of illustrates my point, I think.

I dunno, bro. I guess my bottom line is the less I expect from DA, the more content I am with it. By limiting what I use it for, and what I expect from it, I get my expectations fulfilled pretty well.

I've mentioned some of the other people I correspond with here to you from time to time. Honestly, those relationships (all represented by my friends list) are 95% of the reason I am still a member of the site. I often wish I could tell all of my other friends here; "Hey, I know this crazy Scots artist/writer who's just the coolest dude...you have to meet him..." and likewise, although it may be hubris, I think damn everyone I am friends with is both an exceptional person and an exceptional artist. I often want to say to you to introduce yourself to them all, and review their galleries.

In my corner of the world, such enthusiasm is not encouraged. I'm not sure why, but I do have to admit to being affected by it at least to the extent that I usually squash that urge. That this is so saddens me. I have not thought of myself as either naive or overly enthusiastic for many years now, Chaz. Sometimes I wish I felt more free to follow such inclinations however.

The people I admire and care about here, crazy Scot's included, are worth getting excited over.
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That's a very sincere thing to say and I'm sure he'll respect and appreciate you for doing this. As you say not a competition but merely acknowledgement of something well done and if he is anything like you it is well deserved.
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