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Phasing Out The Today Page

Thu Oct 12, 2017, 1:59 PM by danlev:icondanlev:
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This change has now been rolled out to all deviants and visitors.

Three years ago, we launched the Today page with the intention of creating a daily “newspaper” about art and community activity. While it served its purpose in some ways, it unfortunately didn’t get as much traction as we hoped, and we noticed a lot of deviants switched their default page to the browse pages.


Starting today, we’re beginning to phase out the Today page. Over the past months, we’ve moved some of the Today Page’s features, like Daily Deviations and polls, to the front page of the mobile site. In keeping with the original intention of the Today page, we've also made the default page "What's Hot" to showcase a cross-section of the day's trending deviations.

As we move forward, we plan on focusing on improving the front page of DeviantArt, making it easier to find fresh content, inspirational activities, and deviants that are relevant to your interests.

Keep an eye on hq for more updates!




Three years ago, we launched the Today page with the intention of creating a daily “newspaper” about art and community activity. While it served its purpose in some ways, it unfortunately didn’t get as much traction as we hoped, and we noticed a lot of deviants switched their default page to the browse pages. Starting today, we’re beginning to phase out the Today page.
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:iconjorgipie:
Jorgipie Featured By Owner Aug 18, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
I think the today page offered a lot. Shame it's gone. Make a place to show new Deviants please since that is now gone.
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Blaria95 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
So basically, Deviantart made this switch because people were not interested in undiscovered deviant's artwork?  I'm trying to understand this topic.
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Vixenkiba Featured By Owner May 15, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks a lot for this update Danlev, I must've missed it half a year ago!

I just want to put my own two cents in; I love the DA community and wish to see it grow, and felt like the today page was helping with that. It was nice that we could find the "newest joined deviants" and welcome them to the website, and I honestly really miss this feature. 

I also vote, like many others, to have the Daily Deviations on the bottom of our Notifications again, like in the past, since this GREATLY helps in giving those amazing artworks the attention they deserve. 

Thanks a lot, and can't wait to see what you'll come up with =)
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Blunell Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2018
Laptop user here, I second the previous comment (by Pentulintu).

I really regret the "Today" page, since I think it was a great way to see (and thus, to welcome) new deviants, to get a preview of DDs and to know at first glance who had been awarded a Seniority. I can't recall exactly all features that were displayed there but they were either interesting or useful.

The "What's Hot" and "Undiscovered" page, however... The former only displays the same overpopular deviations by overpopular members for days, sometimes even weeks, and I was getting tired of this so I gave up browsing it a long time ago; and the latter tends to display deviations with only a few favorites (though it's great for discovering underrated artists sometimes).

Don't get me wrong, I love this community and I may be one of the few that wouldn't even change its layout (I heard many people are tired of the website's skin). I just miss the "Today" page, which was a great feature imo.
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pentulintu Featured By Owner Apr 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Jfc. I'm old enough to recognize my own interests, having to witness the same (months or years old fresh) pictures days after days on my puny laptop screen is kinda starting to piss me off. Besides. What's Hot showcases deviants who've already managed to establish a (sizable) network of friends and followers. How nice of you.

The fact that we can't even change the default page... I know y'all literally do not care at all but, it's really disappointing how this site pretends to be there for all artists when quite clearly it's the hugely popular ones who've ever actually mattered. The front page doesn't even acknowledge newcomers. At all. Or anyone else for that matter, except in forms of visibility that currently, by default, is through What's Hot.
This hasn't felt like a community in such a long time.
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StephanieSmall Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2018
Thank you for the update.
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JCoolArts Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2018  Professional General Artist
I hope something positive happens with deviantart this year..

Deviantart has lost it's passion by JCoolArts  
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SpectralNebula Featured By Owner Jan 27, 2018
I really appreciate all the work that goes into this site, it can't be easy for so few staff to keep on top of everything. When I enquired why I was no longer able to set default to "newest" (my personal favourite choice for the default), I received this response from one of your staff:

"Hi There, 

Thanks for your inquiry. We are in the process of phasing out the Today page. In keeping with the original intention of the Today page, we've also made the default page "What's Hot" to showcase a cross-section of the day's trending deviations. I'm afraid you will not be able to adjust the view manually. For more information, and to leave feedback, please review the announcement article. :)"

That's how I found this journal. I have to respectfully disagree that this keeps in line with the spirit of Today's page. "What's hot" doesn't showcase today's trending deviations, rather poopular work stays at the top for a very long time (weeks, months, years) and gets stuck there, new work is rarely ever seen on that page. "popular 24 hours" would have been a much better choice if your intent is to showcase today's trending work.
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PokeTitan Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist Photographer
To be honest, I'd really really like to be able to switch to the popular in the last 24 hours page as defult again...
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Daisy-Flauriossa Featured By Owner Edited Jan 15, 2018  Hobbyist
I really don't want to hurt anybody on the staff, I know how hard it is to moderate a huge site like this DA but I have things to say:
... Now I understand why I couldn't find the "today" page ...
I'm sorry, but I really would like an option to set the main DA page on something else ("undiscovered" for example, I use this page all the time to find great and totally underrated deviants) than the "What's hot" with each day the same popular images and people. I'm sorry to say that but not having a real front/welcome page (organized, welcoming new deviants, showing various categories etc...) doesn't give a professionnal look to DeviantArt at all !
So whatever you do, at least let us customize what we want to see.
Thank you for reading.

(Edit : ...and bring back the DDs on a visible spot, please... I even forget they exist sometimes....)
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katherine-arts Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2018  Student Digital Artist
any company/management/hq/whoever made this decision, they're allowed to make bad decisions, and that doesn't make deviantart bad. but the true test is listening to people's feedback. if people don't like it, change it back. they're the ones using the site, make them happy.
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HelloStarseed Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2018  Professional Photographer
Agreed. The Today page was really useful. I always used to use it to welcome new Deviants and it looks like a lot of other people did too. Despite the amount of feedback repeating this concern, it doesn't seem like they care. They've been doing a lot of things lately their own way despite their users wanting something different. Shutting down DAhub was another one. That was the most popular bot on this website helping users get exposure and earn points and now thanks to some of the changes their making, it will no longer be functional. I'll probably still use DA despite this but they're really going in a direction that isn't favorable to their users.
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Bunbunpo Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2018
People complaining about seeing the same thing every day. Why doesn't anyone use undiscovered page.
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Pamela-Ibis Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2017
I will be blunt. I HATE the whats hot feature. its the same freaking images for days at a time before changing.
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IDEGZ Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
It's a shame that they removed it, I used to use the today page to welcome new users. Now it is more difficult to find them and provide them with the tips that help them to develop in this community.
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starfast99 Featured By Owner Dec 7, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Ughh... I'm not going to lie, but I hate this. Sorry, but I really do. I liked seeing new art every time I logged in, not the same images over and over again. I do not, and never have cared about "what's hot." This is taking away exposure from new/unknown artists as far as I'm concerned. 
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HearseGurl Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2017
I always looked at it, pretty much everyday... sad but I cannot control it. Hope there will be another feature like this in the future, if not oh well. :shrug:
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Neozaki Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Really not a fan of seeing things I've already seen over and over years ago. The what's hot page sucks and reminds me of that 'popular first' shit a lot of social media sites have been pushing out recently... You know, that stuff people don't even want.
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OMGitsSomething Featured By Owner Edited Nov 24, 2017   General Artist
Who actually likes the "what's hot" page?
I never had that one as my default, now that it is, I'm sick of seeing it. When I'm browsing, I'm looking for things I haven't seen already, new artists to watch, artists I didn't know about; but "what's hot" is just the same old super popular stuff I've already seen a million times. If I want to see what's popular, I'll use "popular 24 hours", at least it changes up everyday. "What's hot" is a beaten dead horse. (beaten dead horses are not hot)
Even people getting featured on it seem to be complaining "why is this thing I drew years ago suddenly getting tons of attention again?" Most people don't like their old art that much, no matter how good it is from the viewer's perspective, they've likely improved over the years or even possibly changed their content, they want feed back on their newest work, they want to get their current projects out there.
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mhazaru Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2017
I don't like seeing the "What's Hot" page as my default. The results are usually contrived and somewhat pandering to the same types of styles or particular artists, sometimes for days on end. I would rather have the default set to Undiscovered or DD's. I've gotten a much better "fill" of art from Undiscovered since the results are always varied and are changing on a much more frequent basis.

Please change this behavior, or, just remove "What's Hot" completely. Thanks.
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Iduna-Haya Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Why? I used it quite often to find and welcome new members. Now there's no way to do this anymore, except wait for the occasional message from the Welcoming Program.

I think the reason it didn't get much activity, is because a lot of people were not really aware of the page in the first place. That could easily be fixed by spreading the awareness. 

I'd be much much happier to have the 'Today' page as my default page as the 'What's Hot' page. The 'What's Hot' page is NOT at all in keeping with the original intention of the Today page. Almost everything I see there is at least a few years old, and many of them have been on and off the What's Hot page several times already. Even the people featured there often dislike it, because they suddenly get notifications for deviations they'd forgotten about years ago. 
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barananduen Featured By Owner Nov 14, 2017   General Artist
With the Today page (and therefore the New Members Lounge) gone, does that mean that the welcoming program is going to get phased out as well?
The New Members Lounge was a great way to make new members feel at home and be able to help them out with any questions they had (and most of them do have questions).
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GrayCoffee Featured By Owner Nov 12, 2017  Professional General Artist
So how am I supposed to greet new members exactly?? And I am not liking this automatic "What's Hot" page and seeing the same things over and over again.
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AkaiChounokoe Featured By Owner Edited Nov 11, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
This is all well and good I guess (never paid much attention) but, uh, I would like to be able to organize my gallery as I so see fit and that, obviously, includes, well, putting my art in what I deem to be correct folders for them.

Wouldn't have made the folders in the first place if I couldn't catagorize things as I liked.

Also can we do more than just hide the comments we don't like? I'd much rather delete an unpleasant comment than, say, hide it. 

Basically, quit changing things that don't need to be changed and revamp the stuff that needs to be revamped.
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scowlingelf Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2017
What's Hot very rarely ever changes, it's the same stuff for days if not months. I know one popular artist who decided to delete all his old stuff because he was sick of seeing it there years later. I hope you give us the option to set our own default front page again.
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Gwanrox Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2017   Digital Artist
err wait is this the same thing as 'newest'? I don't care about a 'most popular today' page, but I think it's important that there's a central hub for new deviations to appear in. 

Like if there's no 'newest' page then that bites.. 
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Pax-Dracona Featured By Owner Nov 8, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yyyyeah. Echoing the last few posters, I really couldn't care less about the 'What's Hot' mess. I've been using the 'popular 8 or 24 hours' exclusively and it gave me what I came looking for; NEW good stuff. Not art that is already years old and already has been seen by a large part of DA (or even the internet). Came to the hq page after fruitlessly searching for a way to change the default showing back to the 8- or 24 popular option. Kinda naive of me, I guess.
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pulbern Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
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Kirona Featured By Owner Nov 4, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I've had deviantart.com as my homepage (literally, for my actual browser homepage) since I made my account, but now, after LITERALLY MORE THAN A DECADE, I'm changing my homepage URL to a subpage.  Thanks guys.

Why is the default front page being changed to keep up the spirit of a subpage that was clearly unpopular, anyway?  That's like saying "Nobody liked the vegan cheeseburgers, so we're removing them from the menu, but now by default every 'normal' burger uses the same non-dairy cheese that drove everyone away from the vegan burgers to start with.  If you want real cheese you have to specify.  Every single time."

As other people have said, too, the results don't align with your stated intent.  You say you want to show the day's trending content, but the What's Hot page is visibly self-defeating as it keeps extremely old posts front and center - they're clicked because they're on the What's Hot page, and they're on the What's Hot page because they're clicked a lot for older pieces.  For example, the 2nd piece up there right now is 1 week shy of being a year old, and the third piece is from January 2015. The fourth is from 2011.  5th is from 2012, 7th from 2009, from an account with no visible activity since 2013, 9th from 2013, 10th from two months ago.

That is, out of the first 10 things on What's Hot, only 3 of them are from the last month or so.  The rest are from anywhere from 2 months to 8 years old, and in some cases belonging to dead/inactive accounts.  That's not what's hot, it's not new or trending, it's a disaster.

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but if you saw tons of people setting their default pages to the browse pages... maybe that's what the default should be.  The thing everyone picked over the option that failed to become default.  Not a page that actively inhibits any attempts to see new art.

But maybe that's just me.
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thaliel Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I have changed my bookmark from the main DA page to the newest page, I couldn't care less about the what's hot section, get that thing away from me
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Tikrekins Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Student General Artist
''As we move forward, we plan on focusing on improving the front page of DeviantArt, making it easier to find fresh content''
You say this but What's Hot is full of art that's YEARS old, like from 2008, 2009. How on Earth is that fresh??
Newest, Popular 8 & Popular 24 on the other hand are the definition of fresh but instead you decided to implement this new
change that nobody probably asked for. Why?

If you're gonna keep this change permanent at least give us an option to customize the page settings to match our preferences or something.
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JadeMerien Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
Please bring back the popular 24 hours and 8 hours as a default. The what's hot only changes the art on the front page like once every two weeks, sometimes longer. 
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Aenea-Jones Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, that's why I can't find the today page anymore :XD:
I think it's unfortunate that instead of redesigning the today page back to it's original, statistic-oriented stage, it has been decided to remove it alltogether.
I still feel that deviantart would feel more lively if it were possible to see what people were currently faving and commenting on, or who recently joined, like on the old today page.
I don't understand why the activity of users has been made less and less transparent in the years. I used to find a lot of interesting art by looking at the (old) today page, art that has somehow fallen through the algorythm of the browse pages and failed to land a higher place though being of good quality.
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remivalism Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2017
I HATE seeing What's Hot when I go on here, what the fuck. I come to the site multiple times a day and expect to see new stuff to fav quick before I go to my notifs, I don't wanna see the same popular shit all the time.
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October72 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2017  Hobbyist
I really liked the Today page as well, therefore I'm happy that you try to move and keep some of the features even though you decided to phase the page out! I especially liked to check out the new members showed at the bottom, it would be really nice, if you could bring back this feature to live again as well - Thanks so much! (even if you can't bring it back...)
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jerry8448 Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"We've also made the default page "What's Hot" to showcase a cross-section of the day's trending deviations."

That's like saying: We've realized you don't want a big pile of shit on your dinner plate, so we've replaced it with a bucket of vomit. Congratulations!

RIP DeviantArt.
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AEMcAuley Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2017  Professional Writer
As a heads up, there are still links, such as the Welcoming New Deviants page that tells people to find this information on the "Today Page".


Since there are a lot of comments about "how will we meet new Deviants then?" Here are a few that I've been using over the past week or so. 
1. Haunt the "Newest" section of browse and click on random artists. I did this for 10 minutes, and found several who had been here for over a week with no welcomes, or hellos. 
2. Check out the Welcome Center forum. This is an easy way to find new people looking for friends, asking for help, and needing a hand around the community.
3. Look into groups such as DAWelcomeWagon, any group having to do with llamas, or even a "regional" group. I've noticed a lot of new members flock to areas such as those. 
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DTfox Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My problem is that I don't have the option to make "Newest" my front page anymore. I really just want to land on deviantART and see new stuff, I don't want to have to actively look for it.
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AEMcAuley Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2017  Professional Writer
What I did was make www.deviantart.com/newest/ my default html on my bookmark bar. It's not ideal, but it's a way to get around having to click "newest". Hope that helps!
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DTfox Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I did that, but my other concern is that people in general get less exposure because fewer people see the newest section in general.
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nekokawai Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2017  Professional Digital Artist
I like the front page, it felt more like a community than say pinterist with just scrolling pictures. :/
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o0MSK0o Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2017  Professional Interface Designer
Haha, I remember when it was introduced and everyone was raging, but now it's gone, everyone is raging :lol:

But where are DDs now? On the desktop site, I mean?

DDs were better on the footer of the site lol. It meant that you saw them everywhere on the site, so it was nice when you accidentally stumbled upon an amazing piece of artwork
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Griffonmender Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
What's hot is, to be frank, only hot in comparison to the unforgiving cold of the arctic.

If we must foist one of the categories on everyone who visits the front page, it really should be "newest", "undiscovered" and/or "daily deviations", as these categories feature interesting art and change frequently, while "what's hot" tends to get very repetitive very quickly.
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COF4070 Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2017
Searches aren't displaying in chronological order, which support attributes to this change.  Is there any way to get them to display in chronological order?

I don't want to sort through a lot of old stuff to find new material.
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H-SWilliams Featured By Owner Oct 26, 2017
:lol: I still miss when dA used to have channels as the homepage, one for newest, most popular, and the DD's.
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CubicFlan Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nobody was forced to see the Today page, so why are we all forced to see What's Hot now? It's a tad bit controlling compared to how the home page used to work, not to mention how boring What's Hot is... Nothing but the same generic, uninteresting works that have already gotten exposure featured for days at a time (I've seen a few deviations featured for an entire week, maybe a little more), all while that added time it takes to manually move over to Newest could very well be the difference between an unseen talented artist being discovered or not. Not a very good or well thought-out change in my opinion. :/
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tudiseja Featured By Owner Oct 24, 2017
I wish, that I could change default browse option for me to "Newest".

It is true that "What's hot" has many good art, but it takes days for them to change, while some true gems in "Newest" go totally unnoticed.

So give us a way to change the default browse options.
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picklesthefreak Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2017
how can i change my default bast to 24 hour. What's hot it sooooo lame
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Rainbowz4 Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2017  Student General Artist
WHY DID YOU DO THIS DA 

WHY

BRING IT BACK


PLEASE-
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Shesvii Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2017  Professional Traditional Artist
And how do deviants welcome new fellow artists?
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