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Many Japanese MMD model creators are open to edit their models.
Still this never means you can do whatever you want to the models.
I have to say most modelers are negative to frankenstein models.

Editing means you yourself make new clothes, hair, or other parts from scratch for the models you want to edit.
Swapping heads or other parts is not editing. It is rather called frankensteining.

Think about this example. You collect many famous pictures. Michelangelo, Gogh, Millet, Picasso and other artists.
You cut their works and make a new patchwork picture.
Is this an art? Can you claim you edited the picture?
Or it can be compared to cutting dolls into parts to create a "new doll of your own".
Can you say you treat the dolls with love?
Definitely not! You just destroy original pictures or dolls.
Making frankenstein models is like this. You just destroy original models.

Modelers were tolerant to editing because they had the slightest idea that people would make frankensteins. They hoped people exerted their own creativity with love to the models.
In fact Japanese modelers do respect overseas modelers with original models or original edits. Some even help those overseas modelers with their models.
But seeing this uncontrolled frankensteining, Japanese modelers are becoming intolerant to overseas fans.
This may partly come from misunderstandings of both sides, but I'd like to say chain of free creativity never means copyright free.

Frankensteining isn't the same as editing.
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ElevenPastMidnight Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
I've seen plenty of Japanese Frankensteined models, with no bad press towards them. Sure they arent being distributed, but it's still a Frankenstein. So why is it seemingly OK for the Japanese community to do it, but not the Overseas community?
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damesukekun Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2016
This journal was written three years ago when many overseas MMDers showed little respect to modelers.

I'm glad to see overseas communities have their original models from scratch now.
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iphone0000 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2014
I only frankenstined once o.o
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DonDeloro Featured By Owner Mar 6, 2014
I am in solidarity with CitruSmoothie. Please try but to clarify things reasonable, I wrote him the following text:

""Hey
CitruSmoothie

   I hope that your account is re-enabled for you and for the entire DA community. I find that not everyone can know everything, mistakes anyone can make,
   especially when so many languages ​​are spoken as on DA. I find such an action is not fair. I hope for a consensus between you, Damesuke and DA Admin. My solidarity is with you.""

Is there no solution?
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Arkenidae Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I sort of agree that some people do "frankensteining". But then, again, you got a lot of things wrong. First, Frankeinstein isn't the name of the monster, but of the person that created the monster. It's a very common mistake.
Second, you say that a mix of different artists works isn't art and it destroys the original piece. Please check this link, then. And also, let's suppose someone recreates the Mona Lisa using only food as material. Are they ruining the original piece?

When we take a shirt - as an example - of a model and put on another model, we don't intend to offend the person who originally did it or claim it to be our own, but more like show that we love that shirt and we love the model we put the shirt on. Yet that some people create little "monsters" by just putting parts together lazily, lots of people take time to make things fit with other things, so the model can remind them of all the modelers' styles they like and still look like something different from what it was before.

Take this Snow Miku 2012 model with both parts from other modelers and parts I made from scratch. Does she look like a monster/"frankensteining" to you? Because for me, she looks pretty and I'm very proud of the time I spent working on her. By the way, I believe the credits for her are on her model when you open it on MMD, so I'm claiming no work to be mine, other than editing her to look like that.

For me, the word "editing" means modifying something and trying to make it look good or even better, but still loving the original thing. I'd even say that we love some models too much that even when we take parts, we continue using the original model as much as the edited one.

And I've seen a lot of Japanese editors which don't make their parts from scratch, just merge stuff together as we do in the west. So, you tell me... are they "frankeinsteining" too?
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dweebzilla Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It's more like tailoring a doll's clothes to fit another one and then repainting the doll than it is cutting them up.
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Arkenidae Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. And some of us, yet swapping heads and changing hair, take time to make the clothes from scratch.
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dweebzilla Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Student Digital Artist
or even the other way around- i've seen people make heads and hair from scratch and use bases for clothes. it doesn't make it any less good, even if the whole model is taken from others, because it still had effort put into it.
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Arkenidae Featured By Owner Jan 4, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. And if you're respectful and credit the creators and avoid those who state that their models can't be edited, I don't see why it's so wrong.
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scn71402 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
That's just plain otaku-like article. It's like "If an American plays guitar, it's rock'n'roll, but if Russian plays guitar - it's popsa".
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GingerrattennaXD Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2013
This is sorta of confusing me.I really can't tell editors or Frankensteiner's apart.But this is what modelers,Editors,and Frankensteiner or frankensteining.

Modelers : These are the people who took the time to make there own models from scratch.They might give them out for the public to use in there art or videos with simple rules.

Editors:These are the people who use bases (for example like a LAT base or Animasa base) but took the time to make the hair,outfits,etc or downloaded hair,outfits,etc from other people that made them from scratch.

Frakensteining or Frankensteiner(whatever you call them) : This is when people add for example a TDA head on a LAT base and illegally give it out to the public or just to show off.

I would like a response and here your opinion 
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MMD =/= SERIOUS BUSINESS.
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DannaSenpai Featured By Owner Jul 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I honestly think, if you find an outfit and hair, ripped or downloaded and put it on a base then your making a model. Frankensteining was first put together when people were putting TDA heads on everything. But if you take a base, and put clothes, and hair on it. Then I would not consider it frankensteining but a legit edit.

There is a difference between and editor and a modeler.
Editors: Take parts they can find and use them
Modelers: can make things from scratch.
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YoshiDragonsFire Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2013
Couldn't have put it better myself. When I wanted a police officer Haku, I didn't make her from scratch, I tried my hardest to make the clothes fit and everything look nice and true to the original Haku.
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SparkySama Featured By Owner Jul 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What about people who don't have Google sketchup, or other modelling programs? What do we do? Are we just not allowed to use PMD and MMD? I don't know about other people, but I at least put a little effort into my models! :(
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Gamer251 Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013
^this *claps*
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scn71402 Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Then we are not allowed to draw anime.
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SparkySama Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ha ha! Well, thanks! XD It's true though, isn't it? :D
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Gamer251 Featured By Owner Jul 27, 2013
Yep.
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MajorAwesomeness Featured By Owner Jul 4, 2013
I shoul really stop editing models now.
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Tastytunes2000 Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Professional General Artist
I never claim any rights to anything I Frankenstein. I do this for my own pleasure :) I am THE Dr. Frankenstein when it comes to this. Very rare if anyone wants what I do so who cares.
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BlakeJX Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
'Frankensteining' is a type of art, some are called 'Collage'. However, illegal frankensteining is a problem. If you 'frankenstein' a model like editing the hair colour/ eyes/giving it a part of a model from another model that is editable to create a new form of dress/ and some small minor changes, then you ARE editing the model as you put in some gimmicks that are to your liking.
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TsundereNeko7 Featured By Owner Jun 26, 2013
Do you think if the people do everything of scratch the people will do edits and no models from scratch?
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Xalainu Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013  Student General Artist
Frankensteining in a way, is a form of art.
Think about this (though this part is somewhat related to MMD but at the same time isn't): people in the MLP (My Little Pony) fandom make custom ponies. And what does making custom ponies mean, you ask? They buy a pony toy and use it as their base, or "bait pony". They then pop the head off, remove all the hair from the pony, repaint the pony, and reroot EVERYTHING; the mane and tail. It may not seem like much work, but it really is. From my experiences from making custom ponies, it had taken me at least one to two weeks just to make one. Why? Well, let's sum it all up: it takes a LOT of hard work.
From my experience at making custom ponies, there are at least 50 teeny weeny holes, or plugs, inside the pony head, if not more than just 50 plugs. Think about how long that takes to reroot a pony mane. If you can't, then let me tell you how long it took me to reroot a pony mane: at least 20 minutes, and at the most, an hour. Probably more, if I am mistaken.
Anyway, let me show you some proof that frankensteining is a form of art:

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So what I am trying to say is that frankensteining is a form of art, and must not be underestimated.
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Otomezaki Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Student General Artist
Frankensteining is for example, Just popping TDA miku's head on LAT miku's body.
Editing a model is using exisiting parts ( parts that are allowed to be edited) to make a model and it can be put together using PMD Editor.
Hense why we have PMD Editor
If the Japanse MMD Community did not want their models to be "frankensteined" then they would have never made PMD Editor.

What you are consider editing is making parts from scratch in something like blender or Meta which is creating not editing ( I belive some modelers even have rules that you cannot edit there models in programs like Meta and Blender). PMD Editor was created for MMD and you cannot make models from scratch in PMD Editor, Only edit existing data.
What I have concluded from your journal is that
Frankensteining- Using PMD Editor- Bad.
Editing- Using Meta or Blender- Good.
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BridaleeBee Featured By Owner May 26, 2013  Student Digital Artist
It clearly says i TDA's Rules, that you cant add ILLEGAL parts to her model, or add parts on a non-tda STYLED model, Therefore it says your allowed to actually use the parts and add parts from other models as long as there editable too, and have the tda style.

AND I've seen some things you have taken down That are completely TDA (such as just tda's head edited) Because people put them on other models doesn't mean the one who created the item is responsible for their actions against tda. Explain that to me.
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RogerDelmar Featured By Owner May 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
So It's not ok To make Me on MMD? I understand. By the way, I found the creator of MMD(I think his name is Yu) had a twitter and I followed him and he followed me back.
I'm not good at modeling but I do make edits. Most of them are private like my Mamama Concert Edit ( [link] ) except for the Lemon Ice Bar Animasa Miku texture Edit.
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aexlyii Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Student Filmographer
forgive me for contradicting, but.
"Still this never means you can do whatever you want to the models.
I have to say most modelers are negative to frankenstein models."
If most modelers are against fraknensteining, they would certainly put something about that in their read mes, right? Most modelers, I would assume, would think that by allowing edits, people are going to take, say the hair, or shirt, or face, ect. ect... I mean, what would they expect to happen? That's kinda what editing has boiled down to. It's more swapping parts than recolouring.
"Editing means you yourself make new clothes, hair, or other parts for the models you want to edit.
Swapping heads or other parts is not editing. It is rather called frankensteining."
While you have a point in some cases, yes, when you think of it in an MMDC kind of way, editing = taking parts off models for another model. hardly do i see someone making an edit of a new outfit for the model, without taking parts from a different model...
From the read mes that i've seen, or summaries of read mes, there's hardly a thing about someone saying "do not take parts, but it's totally okay to edit."
Mostly, when a modeler says they can edit, they include taking parts into that.

That's just my two cents. Sorry if it seems a little rude, but... Yeah.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Hello AoNihon,

Thank you for your comment.
Let me make some points clear.

Japanese modelers didn't have the idea at first that MMD became this international.
MMD started just an otaku tool. The early modelers were professional artists, illustrators and programmers. They belonged to a small, closed otaku community and they shared tacit rules. They edited models within the limit of the rules. In other words, they avoided patchwork editing or doll-culling editing as professional artists.

Soon many Japanese amateur modelers joined in the MMD community, and they were also expected to behave as artists. Some amateurs made frankenstein models, but they got tons of thumbs-down and were expelled from the fandom. Since then "editing" means your own creating from scratch. This is why many modelers didn't ever feel the need to bother to say "no part takeoffs" or "no frankensteins".

Anyway you can exert your own creativity without frankensteins if you are an artist, right?
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aexlyii Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Student Filmographer

I see. Forgive me then, I've never seen ( or hardly seen ) a modelmaker specifically say "no frankenstiening."
But may I speak in example to most of these MMD users who don't "make models from scratch"? A lot of people, including myself, do not use / do not possess the tool most model makers use for models, such as blender, meta, ect ect. PMD editor, I assume, was created for the purpose of making a model for yourself if unable to do so anywhere else. You can't really make things by scratch on PMD editor.

I guess what I'm mainly trying to talk about is current times right now. Sure it might not have been like that back then, but currently, MMD edits are mostly parts taken from legal models. (Granted yes there are 'illegal' edits.) I would assume that with MMD being out so long, modelers would realize that editing rules have come to "should I let them take a part off my model."
Not a lot of "good PMDers" recolour, so.

I am an artist, however I do not possess the programs to be an artist by adding things on my own. Thus, I take parts, and give proper credit on finished models (granted if I fully remember; i have terrible memory.)
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KEdd-P Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
OR OR...or...its all the same outcome, it isn't going to stop
So this rant is pointless.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
Still someone has to say.
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KEdd-P Featured By Owner May 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Honestly this " Frankensteining" is not harmful if done correctly.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner May 22, 2013
Correct frankensteins? What are they?
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KEdd-P Featured By Owner May 24, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
for example.

The amazingly popular Animasa Teto by MayumiChan.
It's all frankensteins yet perfect.

the point is "editing" and "frankensteining" arent very different, and neither are wrong as long as you say within the modelers boundries.

I frankenstien and edit.
Look at my gallery.
and I say I do a good job.
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SomeoneCoolerThanYou Featured By Owner May 20, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
ah, I see. that explains why most readmes say "do not take parts from this model."

thanks for clarifying!
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DanijoEX Featured By Owner May 20, 2013
Hmm...I'm wondering.

If one was to use parts on like... for example putting Animasa Haku's hair on Animasa Miku. Does it fall in the same category?

I should've made a Read-me to list the parts I used and the names of the creators who made that part long ago. I'm going to have to do that now.
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damesukekun Featured By Owner May 20, 2013
It depends on modelers. A few allow part takeoffs, but most modelers are negative to frankensteining.
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