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So I have been reading up on the copyright laws and specifically about the patterns we use to make the stuff we do.

Why? 1) Because I use other people's patterns and 2) I sell the stuff I make. So I have a deep interest in the legalities of it.

A lot of pattern writers forbid others from selling the stuff that is made from their patterns. Some even go to the extreme of charging to be able to sell the items made aka a "cottage license".  

A good example of this is Debbie Stoller. She authored the famous book "Stitch and Bitch, The Happy Hooker". Her pattern for the Fat Bottom Bag is awesome, however many people soon found out upon contacting her that she does NOT want the bags made from her pattern sold. RIDICULOUS! Like she can stop millions of people from selling them and legally she can't. She wrote the pattern yes, but that is where the copyright stops.  

That's right, in a nutshell the copyright of a pattern stops with the pattern. It does not carry over to works made from the pattern! No pattern writer has any claim over what you make (at least here in the US, if you live outside the US your laws may be different).

What you CAN'T do is take their pattern instructions and sell it off as if you had written them. This is against the law and can get you in deep dog doo! And more than that is HIGHLY immoral!

If you are a pattern writer, I can understand that you work really hard to write those patterns (I've done a few of my own), however you have no legal leg to stand on should someone go against your wishes and sell what they make, and you were to find out about it.

If you don't want the stuff made from your patterns to be sold, simply don't share the pattern...ever, in any way and you won't have to worry about it. Of course then you won't get any money if you don't sell your patterns.

Do I think it's nice to ask a pattern designer for permission to sell your works? Sure, is it necessary? Absolutely not! And even if they say no, you are not bound by that no.

To read more about this: www.tabberone.com/Trademarks/C…
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Saekoi Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I always wondered this too, but never put in the effort of researching it haha.. Thanks for clearing this issue up :dummy: 

I noticed that many patterns that I have used say to use it for personal use only and to not sell and profit from finished products made from their pattern.. 
I followed their wishes to give respect to the owners, but then while looking around at crochet works online I would see people selling the finished products despite the request.
All that request would do is disappoint me because most people aren't going to mass produce things from patterns to sell, and the ones whom made the product put a lot of hard work into it~ Plus it would get confusing if someone altered something in the pattern, just because they used the pattern for some parts, they now can not sell their altered finished product?  

:iconlaplz: I did purchase a pattern a while back, that states on the front page "This pattern may not be distributed or sold by anyone other than myself. You may make and construct this pattern and sell what you make from this pattern, but you may not sell or give away the pattern itself." I was ecstatic to see that statement!

If I were to share my patterns, I'd follow the same view.. If someone wants to have a go at making something that I made and later decide sell it, more power to them~ :D 
 
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MilesofCrochet Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter

I never quite understood this either; where exactly the line is legally drawn. I've always seen other sellers requesting that customers not sell the works made with said pattern, so I do the same thing for mine. Most people comply, simply in respect of the seller, but when you put it like that, it does sound silly: who's going to stop them?


It's not like I have requests for crocheted products coming out of my ears and I'm worried someone will steal my customers away. :XD: I'm seriously considering going through all of my patterns and changing that.

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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thank you for taking consideration to change your policy. It starts with one and word will spread. :) Your policy is actually very common. One designer see's another doing it and so they follow suit without rhyme or reason other than because "others do it like that so it must be the standard".

I think we can change these unfounded standards and help other crafters to better understand the copyright laws that come with a pattern.
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Flyinglilypad Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Good to know--and it makes sense. A finished item will usually differ from creator to creator, based on skill and style, even if they use the same pattern.
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Exactly! Each person crochets just a bit differently. I see it all the time on Ravelry. One pattern and each person who makes it, it comes out looking just a bit different.
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AsheSkyler Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Traditional Artist
I often wondered about that... But I'm never happy with the patterns I find and always modify them so heavily I end up with something completely different in the end, so I never felt too pressured to research pattern copyrights. I haven't put out my own patterns yet simply because I'm never happy with them either and keep changing them. :XD:
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I often modify patterns too. But there are a few I have that I follow to a t. I have a few my own that I keep changing as well. LOL I understand where you are coming from!
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Brookette Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013   Artisan Crafter
I didn't know that! I have bought a few patterns where the designer asked not to sell the items, and I always wondered how they would ever know if people did or not anyway.
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I've never understood designers putting the kabash one selling works either. Personally I think it's asinine to try to stop people from selling what they make.
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JenniferElluin Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
This is interesting.   Personally, I generally never use patters nor do I write them - I just make up my dolls as I go.  The only exception was a hat pattern I used for myself and some Christmas presents.  But if I ever do decide to use one and sell the results, now I know.  Thanks!
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You're welcome!
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MadeWithLove8 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Thanks for this journal!  I often wondered about this!  :)
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You're welcome!
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dollphinwing Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Professional Artisan Crafter
I like to sell my patterns and I don't mind people selling what they make. All I ask is that credit is given when they use my pattern, that way people know they can come to me if they want to make their own things. I also don't really feel comfortable with people saying "yes it's my pattern" when they clearly used mine.
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
Agreed!
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celticbard76 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
This is great! I was always confused/concerned about issues of copyright when working with patterns. You answered so many of my questions. Thanks so much for posting this!
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Crochet-by-Clarissa Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
You're welcome!
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