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Why Llamas? Stamp

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This is a guide for anyone who:


- Doesn't care about llamas
- Doesn't understand why they exist
- Doesn't know what they can gain

DISCLAIMER: If you hate llamas or see them as pointless, then that is perfectly fine. Just don't complain about it.
You can even disable badge notifications in your settings.
    + How? Click the "General" tab, scroll to the very bottom of the page, tick the 3rd box, and click save. No more llamas will bother you.

But if you are still curious, then read on.

Why should I care about llamas?


- They can gain you views, points, and friends.
    + There's still a lot of people who don't use browser extensions to give llamas. That means when they give you a llama, they see your profile.
    + You can use the llamatrade to get points by giving llamas. You can also sell llamas in your donation pool.
    + After tons of llama giving, I have made friends thanks to people starting a conversation with me about them.
    + Medusa-the-Eternal has guides on how to get pageviews and watches/favorites with llamas.

Why should I give llamas?


- It can be a simple way to tell someone you like their art.
- It can make someone's day. A lot of people like receiving them.
- You can help someone reach their goal of getting to a certain badge rank.
- It can get a lot more people looking at your profile.

Why do llamas exist?


- spyed (the founder of dA) said that llamas were made to introduce people to the point system.
- On April 1st, 2010 deviantART announced llama badges to the public as their annual practical joke. Their popularity made them stick.

Other questions you may have


- What is a llama badge? Read the Llama FAQ
- How can I give and receive more llamas? Read Resources To Help You GIVE And GET More Llamas

Still don't like llamas?


- Then that's perfectly fine. It's your choice.
- Llama badges are not necessary to enjoy this website. 
- But if you want to be jerk about it then that is your problem. 
- The only smart choice you can make is to ignore them.

Want to learn more?


- Visit my side account :iconllamalist: to learn more about llama badges.

- Stamp base used: Stamp Templates Pack 2 by TheLoveTrain
Here is the code for the animated version of this stamp: [link]
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littlesunshinelily's avatar
littlesunshinelilyHobbyist General Artist
    + They can gain you views, points, and friends.
So can actively participating in the art community by commenting on, critiquing, and faving other artists' work, and you know, actually starting a conversation with other artists regarding their work. Points aren't exactly worth much, it takes loads to get almost any use out of them and a lot of artists have sold their work short due to the fact that points are deceptively cheap. All can be done without handing out a single llama, and usually work much better since you're providing useful critique or active engagement with an artist's work. A llama doesn't tell an artist anything about their work, just that you looked at their profile once.

    + There's still a lot of people who don't use browser extensions to give llamas. That means when they give you a llama, they see your profile.
This... actually implies that there are people who do use browser extensions to give llamas without looking at your profile, which ultimately undermines your point - there are people who just throw a llama at you for empty praise. Not to mention, you can look at someone's page and not hand them a llama. Hand them art faves, hand them comments, hand them critiques, hand them commissions. You know, things that actually help their art journey.

    + You can use the llamatrade to get points by giving llamas. You can also sell llamas in your donation pool.
As previously said, points are deceptive. About 400 points, which is incredibly hard to get while trading llamas (since they go for 1-2 points when you're using llamatrade, usually). Most artists who use points treat points like cash, and think 10 points is a good price to charge for their work, not realising they're only selling their artwork for about 10 cents. I saw someone charge 2 points for full body chibi commissions. Two cents for a full body picture. Points are ultimately worthless unless you accumulate a ton, and most of us do have lives outside of DeviantART and can't keep checking the pool for the next 1 point llama trade. As for selling them in the donation pool, you can also give them away for free, which undermines the whole process.

    + After tons of llama giving, I have made friends thanks to people starting a conversation with me about them.
I've been on dA for the best part of a decade now, having moved account several times. I've gained friends, lost friends, remade several times when I wasn't satisfied with the audience I attracted. But over the 7-8 years I've been on dA, not one of my friends has ever been made from giving out a llama badge to someone. Most people aren't such fanatics of this aged bloated website that they are just actively talking about its oldest features that don't actually add anything but quirky-ness to the website, not actually aiding its goal as an art platform for artists. 

I'm not absolutely outraged when someone gives out a llama, but they're not God's gift to man like everyone seems to believe here for some weird reason. 
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CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
   + So can actively participating in the art community by commenting on, critiquing, and faving other artists' work, and you know, actually starting a conversation with other artists regarding their work.

A llama will not get you a critique on your work which is why I didn't mention it. Llamas overall increase your dA activity and as a result will boost traffic to your page. Llamas have started dozens of conversations for me, unfortuantely not about my work, but those conversations have led to many friendships. dA as a whole isn't very good about feedback towards one's work. It has nothing to do with llamas, but some people do give llamas a way of saying "i like your work" <- (source) It's impossible to truly tell why you received a llama.

+ This... actually implies that there are people who do use browser extensions to give llamas without looking at your profile, which ultimately undermines your point - there are people who just throw a llama at you for empty praise.

Most people don't know that the browser extensions exist because most people don't have a strong interest in llamas. I can guarantee you that most of my watchers were because of llamas. Just because some people don't look at your page doesn't mean no one does. The more llamas you give, the more likely you are to get people who will look. After enough llamas, the tide falls in your favor.

+ I'm not absolutely outraged when someone gives out a llama, but they're not God's gift to man like everyone seems to believe here for some weird reason.

I never intended to make llamas seem like the end all be all or anything. I just enjoy having conversations about them. The fact that you find it important to stir a debate about llamas is very odd to me. Everyone's experiences will be different and there's nothing wrong with people who don't use llamas to gain views.
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littlesunshinelilyHobbyist General Artist
A llama will not get you a critique on your work which is why I didn't mention it. Llamas overall increase your dA activity and as a result will boost traffic to your page. Llamas have started dozens of conversations for me, unfortuantely not about my work, but those conversations have led to many friendships. dA as a whole isn't very good about feedback towards one's work. It has nothing to do with llamas, but some people do give llamas a way of saying "i like your work" <- (source) It's impossible to truly tell why you received a llama.

"A llama will not get you a critique on your work" Thank you for proving my point, that is exactly what I was trying to prove.  
As for "it increases my dA activity", no it doesn't. Art does that. As for the source, while the poll does provide info about llamas and does affirm people like them, it's a very skewed poll and not a good representation of the dA collective opinion, since this stamp is obviously pro-llama, and you've attracted a pro-llama audience that will vote in favour of llamas. It's like going into a Starbucks circa 2014 and asking if the people there are hipsters - of course they are, but you'd get a different reaction if you went to, say, a Starbucks today.

Most people don't know that the browser extensions exist because most people don't have a strong interest in llamas. I can guarantee you that most of my watchers were because of llamas. Just because some people don't look at your page doesn't mean no one does. The more llamas you give, the more likely you are to get people who will look. After enough llamas, the tide falls in your favor.

That undermines the previous argument of your poll - you yourself admit that most people don't have a strong interest in llamas. I honestly wouldn't argue that "Most of my watchers were because of llamas" is a good thing. It's like saying "I don't actually have any writing or art talent (not saying you don't), but I can still be successful by mindlessly handing out goodies that don't actually cost me anything". I've stopped giving out llamas and have built an audience by producing art and commentary. That audience has tended to follow me around. I've not looked at the profile of anyone who's given me a llama - ultimately it's a meaningless notification that I'm trying to remember how to turn off.

I never intended to make llamas seem like the end all be all or anything. I just enjoy having conversations about them. The fact that you find it important to stir a debate about llamas is very odd to me. Everyone's experiences will be different and there's nothing wrong with people who don't use llamas to gain views.
I doubt that it's that odd to you, considering this stamp is built largely either to inspire debate about the topic. You're trying to convince people to think that llamas are good, so either you wanted debate, or you thought everybody would instantly read your reasoning and believe that llamas are good and/or wouldn't try to offer another view on it. Debates and conversations aren't exactly that far apart. 
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CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
"...and you've attracted a pro-llama audience that will vote in favour of llamas."

The poll I linked was posted to my main account specifically to avoid this issue. If you read the comments you'll see not everyone shares the same view. If I posted it to llamalist then the discussion would be completely one sided. dA forums would probably be a better place to ask.

To turn off llama notifications click here: www.deviantart.com/settings/ge…
Scroll to the very button and tick the box that says "Disable message center notifications for badges"

"You're trying to convince people to think that llamas are good, so either you wanted debate, or you thought everybody would instantly read your reasoning and believe that llamas are good and/or wouldn't try to offer another view on it."

I truly believe that llamas are neither good or bad. It all depends on how you interpret them. Llamas have personally enhanced my dA experience. Whether or not that's moral I don't really care because I don't believe anyone has been harmed by it. The internet is full of advertisements up in your face. A llama is just another one. Thankfully you can at least turn off the messages for them. On my side account llamalist I clearly show people how to turn off the messages because I believe that if llamas bother you, there's no point in giving them any more attention or thought.
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IriCrescentHobbyist
I sadly don't really appreciate Llama badges all too much, as I would love to hear the words of someone who appreciates my work and find out why so I can further improve myself. Is it my drawings, my writing, what about my coloring that needs work? etc. For those who favorite my work and/or watch me on my page, I always check out there stuff. Either way I've always considered the appeal it has to others (I even made a post to support those who gave me llama badges first week I joined deviantart. Would have done so in my part two but-... too many people to type down ^^'

It's not surprising to me but pretty sad to know that those who don't like Llama badges would go so far as either be insulted or out right jerks over something so simple. There are always different ways of expression, and it's nice to get positive feedback of /any kind/, no need to sully something fun simply because you don't agree with it. That is how the things a person may represent becomes sour too, negativity spreads that fast, and you only look bad. Very much like entering a room of die hard fans of a series and accidentally saying never watched it, the blow up will cause the person to not want to watch it, instead of being encouraged to watch the series so many people love. Why I come across people who have a hard time finding an interest in anime TT-TT

So sorry, went on a ramble there, hehe. Overall, although I don't enjoy the Llama badges all that much, I do appreciate the Llamas sent to me and also this post that remains in the positive. It may even get me to send Llamas to other people, I'm on the fence, but knowing me I just might X3

Keep up the positivity wintercool612 you're awesome!
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Wizard Llama Badge Well done and well said! Lovely Article! Wizard Llama Badge 
BigClaudia's avatar
BigClaudiaHobbyist General Artist
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my experience about give llamas:stare:
Kaasusumu's avatar
KaasusumuHobbyist
No one should ever be making such a huge deal about this unimportant thing we call a Llama Badge...
CoolKaius's avatar
CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
When you give llamas to random people regardless of potential interest in llama badges, you get flamed.
Kaasusumu's avatar
KaasusumuHobbyist
That would be overreacting, wouldn't it? Or just immature.
CoolKaius's avatar
CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
It is, that's why I stopped giving llamas to just anyone.
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KaasusumuHobbyist
I see.
Frostyflytrap's avatar
Ahh, so they were originally a joke, I see now. XD
jyacini's avatar
jyaciniProfessional Traditional Artist
llamas are awesome
Gecko998's avatar
Gecko998Hobbyist Digital Artist
I found them annoying before, but now, I'm like, "well people are gonna give them to me anyway so I might as well get 100,000 because then I wont get any more!" and so that is my goal XD
Voiii's avatar
VoiiiProfessional Digital Artist
Same here! ahahah
Like I liked them when they were the April Fools prank.

But after I took a break from DA for 4 years, when I got back I absolutely hated them. xDDD (like when you don't get too many other notifications, and you see a notification, and all it is is a few llamas, it's rather obnoxious. xD)

But now I'm always having to catch up with my comments anyways that they've become less of a deal now, which has inspired me to me want to reach the 100,000 llama!~ (but probably gonna keep my King Llama badge tagged until I reach the 100,000 llama mark. xD)

Good luck to us both! :D
Gecko998's avatar
Gecko998Hobbyist Digital Artist
good luck to you too :3
CoolKaius's avatar
CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
Buying llamas with dAhub is one of the best ways to reach 100k
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Grace-DupreProfessional General Artist
Man, I never got the llama hate, especially when it got downright vitriolic, they're incredibly cute and innocent, they help with gallery traffic (and isn't that what y'all want?) - and easy to ignore if you're not feeling it! 

Also they absolutely satisfy my obsessive collector brain. 
Frostyflytrap's avatar
I think it mostly just gives the wrong impression to a few users when people give away llamas without even favouriting their work which I could see how many people would interpret it as self-advertising. Not to mention how some users go out of their way to post on their page to ask people to stop thanking them for llamas.
CoolKaius's avatar
CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
I've gotten some pretty bad hate for it. I had to stop giving to random deviants and switch to only people who've given more than received.
Ocxin's avatar
I have a bizarre problem.
I like llama badges,
but only if they're given to me to show they like my art.
I dunno... has anyone like... some kind of stamp to express that?
CoolKaius's avatar
CoolKaiusHobbyist General Artist
Favorites and comments are really the only way to tell if people like your art.
Many people who give you llamas don't even see your page, meaning they wouldn't see that you want llamas as compliments.

But there's no reason why you can't make a stamp out of it.
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