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I'll just state the obvious - deviantART is an art community.

So, why do so many deviants insist on submitting random pictures of two of their friends at a party with no respect to, well, anything?

Newsflash - this is not MySpace. This is not an online photo album. It's a gallery. If you want to submit random pictures of you and your friends, submit them as scraps. They are not art, and frankly, are an insult to what truly is art.

Before submitting a deviation, I suggest you question its purpose. Would you like to see this piece framed and showed in an art exhibit? If so, submit it as a deviation. We don't see sketches on notebook paper (unless it was done purposefully) framed in a gallery, do we? We don't see inartistic snapshots of ourselves and our friends, do we? No, these are the things that may be in a little frame on your desk, if they're even good enough for that - you know, pictures of your family, friends, etc. A photo album, even.

Now, I'm not claiming that every deviation should be an incredible example of art. However, I am saying that your art should exemplify your talent, the best of your work. Don't degrade yourself.
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Dark-Scratcher Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2009
From 2006 to 2009 - no changes... :(
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Orlina Featured By Owner Oct 10, 2007
Soooooo very true!
I mean having one picture of you and your friends in your gallery, I can understand, but I've seen quite a few gallery which had Pages of them... -_-'
I mean, WTH if you want to stock your pic there are so many other site especially for that purpose.

I've just uploaded a picture of me and one of my friend, but I think that it's obvious that I've done it for artistic reason :D

Sometimes when you browse a person's scraps you can see that even there their scraps aren't crap so it can''t really be that difficult to make sure your main gallery isn't either.

(arf, sorry my english doesn't seem up to the challenge when it comes to actually expressing something other that nonsense ^^)
Hope you understood :D
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sirenlovesyou Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2007
Oh god. :heart: I love you.
I agree so much.
O: Like sometime, it's seem like an artist doesn't event try. And they flood my deviant inbox with like, a drawing on a napkin of a foot.
And it's like ".....wtf?"
D: I feel that only art that you've put actual time and effort in should be an actual deviation. If not, scrap it after a while.
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Haha thanks, and you're absolutely right. :D
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toph-blind-love Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2007
I agree, and you rock.
I come to DA to see drawings (and paintings and clay and all that)
not some photo of you in the mirror with a camera phone, or a bunch of boobs
I can appreciate good photography, but not something stupid
:highfive:
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Sep 5, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Thanks. :D
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Blade-Buster-Cloud Featured By Owner Apr 2, 2007  Student
I hope this makes sense.

Perfectly written!
IN fact, just yesterday my father brought up this topic upon this site.
He said to post it live, and see what the interpretations of it were. {Is this the correct word?}
But in some ways, I disaggree.

BUt as some others posted, there may be some personal meaning to the pieces; meanings that are more precious to them than anything. These "memories" become their own little gallery in itself, though not the best, still standing out.
But there are other places to post this kind of work. Correct?

But one thing I disaggreed with, was the fact of the whole reason I'm here. To improve and to learn some new techniques, styles and critiques. I want to stand out, before looking like a complete baffoon in front of many. Maybe some of these "memories" listed before are just forms of needing to improve, and wanting to improve. {I hope this makes sense...} Though they don't mention it inside their piece.

And then some, who do treat this as Myspace. But that's out of the whole picture.

Apoligies, and thanks.
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positively Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2007  Hobbyist Photographer
Totally agreed :nod:
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darksplashes Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2007
I see what you are saying, but are you ready to draw the line between what is art and what is not?

If someone decides to post a picture of their friends at a party, though it may not mean anything to you, it may mean something much deeper to them.

Trust me...I know what you are saying and I feel like many people would agree to you, but to call one thing art and something else not can't be determined by anyone except the creator of the piece.

Sometimes I will visit someones page and be completely unimpressed, but I wouldn't ever question the fact that it doesn't mean anything to them.

So I think we should look at it as art we enjoy, and art we do not enjoy.
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spinneweben Featured By Owner Jun 24, 2007
i think you're right in the sense that art is very subjective... but i still have to disagree. i think that
1. photos of friends at a party may have some deep meaning to the photographer, but the fact remains that these photos are common as dirt (no offense meant to the people concerned). they are taken with the same non-technique, with the same goal: of commemorating particular moments of their personal lives.
and 2. confused-equine is right (although i wouldn't try and define what is art): these photos are personal. this is a public art site. are they moments you want to share with an objective outsider who doesn't know the subjects or the situation, and to whom (in the light of having his own special moments) they mean nothing particular? again, they are not exactly original. if there is something the photographer wants people to notice, he should say so. if he intends there to be a deeper meaning, tell us.
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Da-Nuke Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2007
Funny. I always thought my drawings were way too awful to be posted on this site.

But after seeing you writing about people that actually upload their standard night club pics, the kind of pictures that always comes out the same way regardless of age, sex or location... now I ain't afraid of nothing.
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FairytalesReality Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2006
i agree, but im still working on my photography, so most of my shots are kinda low-grade compared to everything else i have seen up here... i hope to improve my skill over the next couple of years...
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borapalas Featured By Owner Dec 8, 2006
damn yes!! this is what I'm trying to say for several years! why people are using dA as MySpace ? go home you ugly emokids and straight black haired make-up shitloads!!!!!!!!!!
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aperfectnightmare Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
In my opinion, I agree, but you are always going to get the people that say art is subjective, and blah blah blah, which is right, but not all the times.
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Precisely. :)
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duhcoolies Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Professional General Artist
well put :nod:
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ryano292 Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
I like pictures :slow:
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Zaichick Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree whole-heartedly!
:frustrated:
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ocelotrevs Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
i see where you're coming from with this.
it's from people taking photos of their arse and stuff, to this.
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ErinGibson Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I agree with you 100%. Whenever this issue is brought up anywhere, its met with a million comments like "who are you to say whats art and what isn't?" (see above).

The fact of the matter is, the people who do whats being described here aren't submitting pictures of their highschool buddies because they feel its a fantastic piece of art. They're doing it because they can and they have no regard for the purpose of DA or quality of their gallery as a whole.

If someone submits things like this because they genuinely think its artistic (even if we don't agree), more power to them. Thats not the case with most of them, though. They do it because they can, and thats it. The argument that "you can't judge what is art" just doesn't hold up when even the artist doesn't even mean for it to be art.
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Exactly! You're one of the few who understands what I was getting at. :D
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JonathanMH Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Not the content is in no way important for how much "art" it is. The intention is most important for the piece. No one can decide what art is, because everybody has a different point of view.
I agree with you in the point that people really should not use it as a photoalbum. There are other services for that like flickr or picasa webs.
But you can't just say:"This is not art!". Only if the people insist it themself ;)
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monsterlienchen Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes.. really.. I can understand what you mean, but I don't agree 100 %

But.. oow.. that's such a difficult case. For example I believe my art is not very bright. But for me it's art! And I expose it, not because I want everybody to say it's good, but to improve. And well, to express something.
There are deviants, who just use their account as photoalbum. You say.. and that's right. But you can't really know, what they think. Sometimes the significance of things are hidden in the heads of one or two persons.
It's just a difficult situation. It's like:
What to do with the empty accounts? Where you don't find anything.. ? Isn't that annoying, too? But don't you think, it could be an art interested persons, who wants to help other artists to improve and to comment on pictures or literature? i have the idea there are many faults in this little text.. =S :bug:
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JonathanMH Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
if they* know, sorry, typo
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JonathanMH Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
That's what I tried to point out. If the know it's not art, that's the real crap.
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monsterlienchen Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
I am glad you understand it.. I just accompanied your comment.. so don't wonder about I wrote it there..
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JonathanMH Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
okay ;) I'll not than. But I'll have a look at your profile now.
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monsterlienchen Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
You're, too kind.. I take a look at your stuff.. and if I believe your age.. it's kind of fantastic!
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Right, and I definitely appreciate the effort artists put forth in some pieces, but often it is just obvious that there was no artistic merit intentioned.
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JonathanMH Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Yeah, that kind of sucks.
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imroy Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006
I agree whole-heartedly! One of the great things about dA is the inspiration I receive from other people's works. But when I go into a section and see snapshots of peoples' parties, get-togethers, or even pets - well it makes me wonder "what's the point?"

The problem is, what do you say or do? So many times I want to scream "take it to flickr or myspace!", but that would be rude. I'd love some templates for this sort of thing, like on Wikipedia. Firing off a {{notart}} would be so much simpler...
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 25, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Right, I would feel way too bad to say 'Scrap this.'
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006
Art is not objective, it is subjective.

Only the artist can judge what is art to him and what is not. Sometimes, his art is not appreciated by the others, but still, he likes what he does, and it is art from the simple fact that (s)he created it believing it was art.

There can be art even in a webcam shot for an ID picture (even though I never saw anything that I could call art myself through a myspace-like picture...)



However, I'll have to agree with your point, sometimes it's annoying to have all these anime fanboys and myspace whores around, but just leave them alone and ignore their art rather than attack them.
The world is large enough for everyone.
Keep what you have, and don't destroy other people's belonging just because you don't like them.
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes, I do agree, but sometimes it is obvious that a deviation (often a photograph) is not submitted for artistic purposes. I definitely appreciate the effort of artists, even if the final product is not so great, but I can often just tell when something was taken with no artistic merit whatsoever.
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006
Yeah, true, when it's just a picture of you and your dog, it's most often not art...

And they should allow us to put DeviantID's into scraps, mine is a stupid non-artistic camera shot that ruins my gallery :/
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UchihaSora7 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2008
but it can be!! -you never heard that a pick/photo so on, shows more than a 1000 words? -think of that next time you see it.. and you might get the idea...
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
Agreed! Same here. :)
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Alteru Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2006
Um.... yeah.................


Gonna have to go ahead and not agree with you.


Here's the unwritten rule:

Good art is creative, bad art is destructive.


and...

this seems kind of destructive.


If you don't think it's art, then don't look at it. It will only making yours look better by comparison anyway.
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Stykera Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006
Sometimes it's a good thing to be destructive. The world is not a nice place, and art ought to acknowledge that on occasion.
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Alteru Featured By Owner Nov 24, 2006
creatively.
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confused-equine Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I don't quite understand.


Good art is creative, bad art is destructive.


and...

this seems kind of destructive.


My news article was not art. In fact, it was basically arguing that very point.
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WarEnsemble Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2006
agreed. it can be frustrating to find such things in ppls gallerys
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