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Watching the suns go down

This is that "something much more interesting" thing I said I was going to make based on what I learned from =nukeation's Vue video tutorial - the raw results of which can be seen in my Procedural Vue terrain deviation.

Been wanting to illustrate a binary sunset scene for a long time. For the un-educated - a Binary system is where there's two stars or "suns" in the center of a solar system instead of one :sun: :sun: these "double stars" are surprisingly more common than single stars like our own Sun. Often both stars will be a similar size and colour/temperature, but to make this more interesting, we see a larger but cooler/dimmer red star accompanied by a brighter, hotter white one...The collective heat from two suns would probably make this planet very hot! But listening to science alone can really limit one's creativity - so I still included a civilisation, water and some really odd-looking foreign plants too for art's sake :alien:

Well as stated already, this started out as a rather basic Vue scene. I saved time by recycling the same terrain for the landscape that I made after watching the tutorial - I also was able to use some sci-fi building models I made last year too. All this put under a a different lighting/atmosphere setting provided a very different base for me to matte-paint over (this is one of the few deviations I have that I think could be passed off as being a matte-painting ;))

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kummindrottning's avatar
Interesting! I can imagine that in binary sun solar systems the habitable planets may be way far out compared to Earth in the Solar system
HammerinInkminer's avatar
...beautiful -- majestic.
simpsonsquire's avatar
An earth-like planet/moon in the Tatoo System of the Great Skyriver Galaxy.
glassocean's avatar
This is cool... things could be said but I rather enjoy just looking at it and see what I can imagine about this.
Chromattix's avatar
Glad you enjoyed it!
Kamui-Lemon's avatar
This is a really cool piece, reminds me of an amazing book I read called "The Three Body Problem" (though of course, yours would be a two body problem lol).
Chromattix's avatar
Sounds interesting :plotting:
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aero3-5's avatar
This is an apology, my computer went momentary insane and put my comments here 15 times!
Chromattix's avatar
I only got it once ;)

I've seen that movie (unless there's two versions, the one I saw a couple of years ago seemed sorta new) it was an eerie concept. I've heard of the "figure 8 orbit" scenario, but I never knew there was a story about it. I think you'd need a very regular system setup for that to happen =p
aero3-5's avatar
The movie version of "Day of the Triffids" that I saw was made in 1963. There was an English television program in 1981(I never saw that one). The planet with the figure-eight orbit was weird in other ways.
Chromattix's avatar
The one I saw definitely was newer than 1963 :XD: Though it must have been a "straight-to-DVD" movie since I never heard of it released in cinemas.
aero3-5's avatar
Lovely landscape! The plants remind me of triffids ,from the movie "Day of the Triffids", based on a John Wyndham novel. There is an old science-fiction story about a planet orbiting two stars in a figure-eight orbit, I believe the title is "Placet is a Crazy Place."
I really like such scenes and your's especially. The two suns give a distinct alien touch to the image, as do the strange plants. You have done both very well and convincing. The terrain is very naturalistic and the city... well, it might be.

The galaxy is to a large extent populated by similar binaries, very often composed of M and K type stars, lighter than our own sun. Your illustration is very correct and the two stars might actually be seen at the same angular separation when viewed from a planet located in the habitable zone. Some exoplanets have even been found in binary systems and at least in one quarternary system. If they had a chance to accumulate water... well, that's a different story.

I would only disagree with your description. The smaller star cannot be a white one. As such it would be a White Dwarf, which forms after a sunlike star has found the end of it's main sequence existence in a nova event. But the nova would have destroyed any habitable planets in the system, leaving only barren deserts at best.

This is not a big point. Your image looks perfectly like a binary comprising an M and K star. The smaller, but redder M star is the foreground star, closer to the planet at this position in their orbits and therefore appearing bigger. ;)

Great work! :)
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I must admit when I chose the colour of the stars and their respective sizes/distance I was just going according to what looks most artistically appealing, so any truth in this one was just out of dumb luck :shh: I did imagine the white star being a white dwarf, since I always thought a nova would be too much of a slow process for it to kill everything n the planet (unlike the much more violent supernova) but one could say intelligent species on this planet had preserved some of the lifeforms along with themselves during the event, they may have just started re-populating recently :D

Tough you could be right about the position of the stars, the that appears bigger could actually be the smaller of the two, but much closer :idea:
A nova involves swelling of the star and shedding of the outer shell, until the iron core collapses into A White Dwarf. Our own sun will end that way. Earth as a planet may or may not survive that event, this is still under debate. In the most optimistic case, all atmosphere and water will be lost and surface temperatures will be high enough to melt the bedrock.

M dwarf stars - i.e. Red Dwarfs - are very popular among science fictionists nowadays, and they make up about 90% of the main sequence population (normal stars). Some of them will shine for 500 billion years, inspiring many speculations about possible biospheres... OK, the two most serious drawbacks have to be ignored.;)

Anyway, your illustration is very convincing in terms of astronomy and biology.
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Just finished up my own scene using Vue / PS, see which includes a binary star system.  I hadn't seen this work by you before I posted however.  A lot of similar elements.  I'm not to your level with Vue though.  I've only been using it for a few months now.  Trying to get better with Vue but life, job, etc. keep getting in the way...

8legs's avatar
If the planet is in the Goldilocks Zone, this could be very possible. Sometimes we just limit ourselves to much, I doubt Science is as limited as we make it. I would say this is more likely than unlikely. We have seen all kinds of planets so far--or should I say inferred-- Planets that go around a sun in 8.5 hours, planets that could float in water--puffy planets, planets that make Jupiter look really small and so on. We will probably find even more that are just strange but that is our take, for the universe it is just typical.
Chromattix's avatar
I think science is held back mostly by ignorance. Every serious scientist out there is eager to learn as much about the thing they are studying as possible. But things like funding limitations and even social stigma (like how some religious groups are against certain things, like stem cell research for example) do act as a ball and chain weighing the progress speed down :shakefist: In many cases it's a "make do with what we got, until we get the money and permission to do better" for them I think. Luckily space exploration isn't very controversial, probably because it's less personal than things that happen down here that affect actual humans like medical or social experiments. But as long as people are willing to be subjects at their own consent, I don't think it's anyone elses business :disbelief: Space exploration is really only held back by money and resources I think. I reckon every human wants to see mankind set up permanent living places elsewhere in the universe - only if they can be absolutely sure it will work :nod:
8legs's avatar
It is really bad here in the U.S. We have become such a divided country on these issues. Now certain groups are demanding we not do this or that saying we can't afford to while they line their own pockets. We now pay the Russians to go to the Space station?! We use to lead and of course all the benefits we have accumulated because of it. It is sad state of affairs here now, the Universe can wait but can we afford to? We are limiting ourselves by doing so.
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This is exactly what I imagine Gallifrey to look like!!
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