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Princess Avengers: CAPTAIN AMERICA

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The next entry in my ongoing series of Disney Marvel Mashups!!!

The leader of the Avengers!! The top-dog! The big cheese!! Frozen during a time of true patriotism, this fearless hero has leapt forward in history to stand for the real America she once knew!!
Finally here!! It's CAPTAIN NATIVE AMERICA!!

Anyway, I hate talking about my process, but... well....
I wanted to change up my formula a bit. To bring across both the position of Captain America as the leader of the group, and Pocahontas' willpower and self-sacrifice. Ultimately, to try and make her look empowered.
I'm not sure how well I succeeded.
Still, I'm hoping that the series will hold up well stylistically once it can be viewed as a whole. I try not to see them as individuals, but rather their place in the group.
Perhaps in need of some revision, but I've grown accustomed to releasing these well before their "completion!" So enjoy.

Who do you think the next princess will be!?! Who do you WANT the next Avenger mashup to be? If you think a princess should be paired with a hero let me know too! I haven't decided who is going to be who just yet!

LEAVE A COMMENT TO HELP ME DECIDE!!!!!!! 8D


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hiddenbrokenheart's avatar
:star::star::star::star::star-half: Overall
:star::star::star::star::star: Vision
:star::star::star::star::star: Originality
:star::star::star::star::star-empty: Technique
:star::star::star::star::star-half: Impact

I must say, did not see this coming! Original yet fitting, very fitting! Nice touch with the leaf instead of the star on the shield. However, I would have suggested not including the necklace. It's too valuable for her to be wearing into battle, which she looks like she's about to do. I love the wind in her hair, how you have her posed in a fighting stance. The look on her face is determined, cold from her pain, and still magnificently beautiful. You did well changing the outfit to fit Pocahontas's style and form. All in all, wonderfully done!
Why would she have those colors?
Ozenglish's avatar
Just love how you made her to be Captain America! Good on you for that one. I love this one, but I think I still have a super crush on your Jasmine one the most :) LOL

moonlitinuyasha1985's avatar
CrazyCowProductions's avatar
Love the design idea behind this, but maybe it's just me since I work mostly with Anime/Manga as my style. The neck seems a little off to me with the angle with her feet and stance. 

Very Dramatic and iconic pose for the win anyway in my book.
BluePhoenix012's avatar
eh maybe not Cap more like a historically accurate wonder woman however very nice work!!
crazydave11's avatar
Captain. Native. America.

Nope, I don't think anyone needs to say anything else about this picture ever. You already said it.
SoraPetrova's avatar
Looks like a Pocahontas/Captain America hybrid. 
linzer-art's avatar
i think thats the whole premise xD
Tyrranux's avatar
Dear God this would make for the best parody comic ever.....
asianpuppet's avatar
Very clever concept :)
crazyartist12's avatar
I'm just going to go hid in a corner and cry for a while. TT
If marvel ever does a crossover or alternative universe with a native american as Captain America for other main heroes.
Then I'm happy enough to die for it.
EnriqueCastro42's avatar
EuropeanCar650's avatar
She looks so beautiful here! She would really make a great hero if such a person is ever created!
facadepapergirl's avatar
 Is incredibly offensive! I don't understand how people fail to see that! America is not Pocahantas' country. It's the name of the country that killed many of her people, and imprisoned them into little fenced off areas, took over her land and erased most of her ways! Even before I first Googled Turtle Island, knew that this was bad!
Christopher-Stoll's avatar
I respectfully disagree. Here's why...

-First this image has been printed and reproduced (with permission) in several Native American literary and academic journals, and the reception from the Native American community was very positive. So since the people the image loosely depicts find it empowering I wonder who you think it offends.
A more suitable statement from you might have been "I find this offensive" instead of "is incredibly offensive" since you seem to be the only one, and then you could have gone on to explain why.

-I think that depicting the Captain America as a blonde, blue-eyed, white, heterosexual male for decades is a far more troubling message than fan-art depicting an ethnic woman in his place.
And this is, after all, an interpretation of an already white-washed child friendly version of a Native American. If you had criticisms of the Disney version of Pocahontas I'd almost certainly be onboard, but instead your objection seems to be that I just associated a Native American princess with the United States through Captain America. Which I don't think people, even real Native Americans, find automatically offensive.

-I have several other pieces in this series depicting women of color in place of the white male Avengers. No one has commented on how it's problematic to have the Arabian princess Jasmine as a stand-in for a superhero whose whole deal is fighting ostensible Muslim terrorists (Post-Colonial Oppression and Occupation in the Middle East).
Or a Tiana as a black woman controlling a shadowy military outfit (American Slavery)
Or Mulan (Chinese Railroad Workers).
There are a lot of atrocities that you can point to, and there are many ways that you can bring up issues involving representation and social justice, but you gravitated towards this one.
Why this piece in particular? (Hold on to that thought because I'm about to address the reason).

-Your heart is probably in the right place, eager to point out negative portrayals... But you aren't doing anything to encourage understanding or debate, and it's clear that main reason you commented is to indicate that YOU knew how bad it was. But it's just self-gratification, you made it all about yourself.
"I don't understand HOW people fail to see [what I can see]"
"Even before I googled Turtle Island I KNEW that this was bad!"

It's like you swept into the room and said "I AM VERY AWARE OF WHAT AMERICA HAS DONE TO NATIVE PEOPLES AND NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE." and then pretended that you were actually criticizing something problematic. Nope. All you've done is call attention to your own awareness (or lack thereof). It's not bad exactly... just immature.

In the future there are much better ways to criticize, and I think you'll be surprised how many people are willing to consider your point of view if you raise concerns without accusing anyone, and talk about potentially offensive materials without making it all about how enlightened you think you are.

Good day,
Chris
EuropeanCar650's avatar
You're absolutely right about it all, great job!
facadepapergirl's avatar
Firstly, I want to thank you for actually responding. Many people who are as successful as you are tend not to pay so much attention to every little comment. I really did not expect you to respond. Maybe a fan stepping up to defend your honor, thinking that I meant insult, but not you yourself.

For your first point, I was not the only one who found it offensive. I posted on Facebook about a picture that I found offensive, and posted it in the comments. People that I know that are Native American and of Native American descent expressed similar feelings on it. That I am the only one who has said to you that it is offensive surprises me.

Your second point, I agree on. I don't hate the picture, nor do I find it tasteless or crude. It is obviously a well thought out piece of work, and I appreciate the sentiment that you had when making it. I was still shocked by the picture when I wrote that. Not angry, mind you, but very shocked. If I had written that, say, now, I would have explained why I and others found it so offensive.

As to your third point, I saw more of what I thought you were trying to depict in those than atrocities. Each of these pictures make a statement, and even the Pocahantas one makes a positive one. It may be that I was recently educated by a Native American on "Amerikka" and reminded of it still affects living Native Americans. I would also point out that I do not connect Jasmine with a religion. That region of the world, yes, but not with Islam. Nor can I connect SHIELD with slavery. The equivalent to the Pocahantas one would be her in a Confederate themed suit, or maybe designed as a member of the the East India Trading Co. I also can't see a connection between Hawkeye and railroad workers. Perhaps I simply fail to make those connections that are there. Being a majority in multiple senses and egalitarian, I strive to learn more about how I can do better and achieve social justice and all that cheesy stuff that gets me sneered at for being a nutty Tumblr feminist. So, if I can't make those connections, I'd like to.

I'm not sure if criticism is what I wanted at all. Like I said above, I don't think that the picture is bad or not worth having been made or is more problematic than anything else. I and others have found it offensive. That doesn't mean that there isn't merit. Criticism means to me that something needs to be fixed. Your picture is not broken. The statement that it makes is not broken or wrong. It is something that I and others found offensive - but that's it. I really expected a comment by someone else saying "That's kind of messed up, but I see what you're trying to say", but I found nothing but comments that didn't address it at all.

And yes, my comment didn't address it well, either. Like I said, I was still in shock. I should have allowed myself to calm down and formulate a proper respone to your picture, out of respect if nothing else. Hasty posts is what gives "social justice warriors" a baad name.

To be honest, my posts and comments are usually more like this current one, not the former one. And I'm usually bewildered by others' agitated statements and responses. I never understood why people couldn't enter a debate without getting so emotional. That I was on the other end this time was embarrassing. I am rarely so affected by something found online like I was by seeing this picture, so formulating responses in a calm and beneficial manner is usually simple. I'm not accustomed to feeling strong negative emotions, and so not with dealing with it.

As such, I do not regret making that comment. It gave me an oppurtunity to learn what happens when I forgo the oppurtunity that the internet provides to make well thought out responses. If I had learned that at another time, the person who responds to me may not do so in such a reasonable manner.

Thank you for responding, and I apologise for any discrepancies or typos. It is going on 4am here, and I should have been asleep hours ago. I just wanted to check DeviantArt to see if anyone had decided to join my contest, and then felt that an immediate response should be made to your note. Not necessary, perhaps, but I hate to delay, due to my many memory issues.

Respectfully
Aramis
Christopher-Stoll's avatar
That was a fantastic comment. :)
I hope that my initial post didn't sound too antagonistic, it's easy to be reactionary and dismissive within the spacious confines of an internet comment box.
I have made more than my fair share of "this is offensive, fuck you" comments on the internet, and it's something we should all take steps to avoid.
People are people, and at the end of the day we are all doing the best we can.

That said, if you have any specific criticisms of the piece I'd love to hear them and talk them out. I'd even be up for making changes if someone made a compelling argument that my art was insensitive or inappropriately representing a disenfranchised group.
FalconLord92's avatar
She looks kinda like Wonder Woman wielding Cap's Shield
Skaramine's avatar
temus's avatar
well, having in account that she's a TRUTH american this look too good
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