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Journal Entry: Thu Mar 8, 2012, 9:41 PM
I'm aware the endings weren't what people expected, but if you were a hardcore Mass Effect fan, you'd see the significance of each one, and you'd see the plot devices that lend to each ending being VERY open ended, with the possibilities of something continuing from them.

Whining about it won't do you any good. It's Bioware's project, their game, their franchise.

Don't like it? That's what AU's and Fanfic are for.

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Skyward-Dreamer Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2012
Actually, it was pretty much what I had predicted beforehand, interestingly enough. I had predicted something like the ending of Star Trek: The motion picture .. and it's almost exactly what I got. :)
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farairaifa Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
POSSIBLE SPOILER!!!





I'm not angry, just very disappointed, not because of the ending itself, but because of the LACK AMOUNT OF EXPLANATIONS!

I want to know what happened to the krogan, I want to know what happened to Joker and EDI, I want to know about my crew.
And more importantly I WANT TO KNOW WHERE THE F**K DID WE LANDED!? and the ending... well... if it made sense, then I wouldn't be complaining, BUT Bioware didn't give us an explanation, did we suddenly went blank and can't explore anymore? Did we land on a similar planet as earth and have to start over like in the beginning of 21st century all over again? Then what happened to out crew that was with us in the Normandy? And who was that Kid and that old guy?? Someone's son or grandson or something? HUH!? WHAT??? WHAT HAPPENED!?

It really... I can deal with the tear squishing ending, but I can't deal with the lack of proper explanations, BECAUSE Bioware made it clear that ME will be a TRILOGY, maybe they will give more info in the DLC but that means people actually have to BUY for the explanations or whatever, I'm just... God, I'm just so confused and disappointed.

I played ME2 for like... eight times or more, and now I just want to sent a freaking huge letter to Bioware filled with complains even though I know that it's a childish move but still... Ugh, it seems like all my hard work equals to nothing because of this lack of meaning. I mean, seriously? Seriously.
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RebelATS Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree. I've known since November the endings and it is exactly what I expected. Hell, even Saren mentions them in the 1st. People are just upset that there isn't some magical off switch where Shepard can be forever happy after the toughest wars any civilization has experienced.
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SquishyEeyore Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012
But why would people expect anything else? Shepard has faced impossible odds (twice) before and come out on top and "forever happy".
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RebelATS Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
But before it was against one Reaper and one Collector base... not an entire fleet. To think they will come on top is only wishful thinking. Plus there is one ending where Shepard lives and knowing Shepard they would do whatever it takes to become reunited with their loved ones.
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SquishyEeyore Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012
But the past games have taught us that that shouldn't matter. They've told us "well, most of you will die, maybe all of you will die" before and Shepard has always come out smelling like roses.

Even if there was an ending where Shepard came out on top, it still wouldn't be as "sunshine and rainbows" as people claim it would be. The galaxy would still be decimated and devastated, the characters you just cannot save would still be dead. I don't see why that option wasn't included in the game. I think it would have been awesome to have endings that ranged from "everyone is effed" to "tentatively hopeful." People still wouldn't be happy, of course (they never are), but I think there would have at least been fewer people who were angry/feeling cheated.


And I have seen the ending where Shepard... lives. It is not very hopeful. I actually found it more grim and depressing than the others.
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RebelATS Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
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SquishyEeyore Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012
I have read this interpretation before, it has done nothing to motivate me to purchase or play ME3. If you like the endings that's fine, you're quite entitled to like/dislike whatever you wish.
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RebelATS Featured By Owner Mar 11, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly. And let's leave it at that. ^_^
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ChristineFury Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly. I won't say I'm happy entirely with the endings, because of the lack of closure, but I expected something to this degree. Doesn't mean I'm done with the game. Nope. Gonna play it as much as I played ME2.

=/ Just wish a certain BUTTHEAD had told my Shep they loved her.
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RebelATS Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
But there is one where Shepard lives... and knowing Shepard they would forever work towards being reunited with their loved ones.
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ChristineFury Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Exactly.
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SquishyEeyore Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012
I read the full script for each ending, watched the videos for each ending, and watched the Destroy ending over my younger brother's shoulder. I don't need to experience the endings in-game to see that the endings are very similar and very disappointing and leave a lot of threads dangling in the breeze. I would say that I am surprised that they ended the trilogy this way... but I'm not.
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ChristineFury Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh, I'm not saying that "HURR U HAVE TO FINISH GAME" in order to have a validated response. This is aimed at someone who is really taking this beyond your average disappointed gamer- they haven't even OPENED their game yet and they're hissing and flailing at Bioware.

Yes, the endings were disappointing, no closure. I am upset that my chosen LI never told my Shep "I love you," when the other LI's DID. (I don't think it was a culture thing, either, cause my LI certainly reacted when my Shep said "I love you.") But overall, there were moments in the game that made me laugh, smile, and made me happy.

I still think that there's going to be DLC about it, but it's only been out 3 days. Time will tell.
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Palinor Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012
"Whining about it won't do you any good. It's Bioware's project, their game, their franchise. "

I have to disagree heavily with you. If a person purchases a product, service, or any entertainment medium, the person has every right to complain. Even if they're just whining. Persons who pay another for service can very well rebut against a perceived error in the product, even when that product is aimed for entertainment. There are no further loyalties owed after the item is exchanged, and while you did not state that there should be some gratitude, I view what you're saying as equal to that style of argument.

"They made this for you! Be grateful!" is one way people tend to try and silence disapproving statements in regards to something the person likes. It's absolutely asinine to go that route, which I am pretty sure you aren't thinking like this so I shall not explain why it's so silly. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

"It's their stuff, just leave them alone" is a slight extrapolation of what you said, but this is equally silly. If they had made this game and left it laying around for free, with no means by which you could identify and give the group some sort of payment, then I could understand this. However, the people paid for this game, they handed over their money in hopes of great entertainment, they are filling the wallets of those who worked on this game. At this point, the producers of this game are invested in by the consumers. While it isn't a solid 'stock' type of investment, it's a liquidation investment wherein the producers of this game are floating on the collective investment from consumers.

The consumers have a right to voice what they like, or don't like, about this game. There is no required action, but should people find something so aggravating that they're compelled into action, even if venting to friends who might otherwise buy this product themselves, then they should be encouraged to do so. Yes, sometimes this means just letting people bitch and whine.

"but if you were a hardcore Mass Effect fan"
No true Scotsman fallacy. You don't get to dictate what a 'hardcore' fan would think of any product. You can disagree, state your own opinions, but putting it like that makes you seem rather like a jerk. If the 'whining' of the other people who have played the game bothers you, try to speak with them and convince them they're wrong, or just state you do not agree with them and move along.

This seems like a bit of an unfair balance from a casual read, "They get to whine and moan, but you have to either be logical or move on" type of vibe. That really is what I'm going for, but this is because what they're experiencing is a more angry form of feeling cheated, above that it's a larger investment you have to make for that side of the situation. When it comes to listening to people shrieking in hatred, the frustration you get shouldn't be so primal and derp-inducing, so it's a matter of having a higher likelihood of better senses about you.



Maybe I'm being overboard in this, you may just be venting your frustration and have already carried on with your life. If not, I hope this helps to reshape your thoughts on the matter, but if you think I'm wrong you can very well ignore me or attempt to sway me to seeing what's correct about your perspective. You can do anything you like with this really. Not like I can actually limit you to those two options.

I'm personally not so aggrieved at this turn of events, due to a lack of functioning methods to play the series (360 RRoD'd and I'm poor) I can't relate to the later games right now. I very well might be right in the same boat as them, finding this to be a shitty ending that smears crap all over my love for the franchise. I may also play through eventually and find the currently existing endings to be a great work of art. I don't know, and I won't know for quite some time.

Hopefully you did not mind this large comment, just in that state where I can ramble endlessly and should honestly go lay down. Been up for 25 hours at this point.
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ChristineFury Featured By Owner Mar 8, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I didn't mind at all- I'm always willing to read opinions counter to my own. My main beef is that people I know haven't even gotten past the first priority mission and they're already saying that "Bioware BETRAYED ME." or "I'm not playing this game" but continue to sulk that they want to play the game. That's what's bothering me mostly.

The game isn't going to change overnight because you disagree with what was written. I'm not saying the game was perfect, because I didn't have closure, myself. My preferred LI never said they loved my Shepard, even though she said it to them. No closure with the relationship. The ending was open and left little closure, but I believe that's because they're leaving room for DLC.

It's just a few people I know that are just going overboard with their open letters to Bioware, the whining, the fit throwing- and they haven't even finished the game yet. That is just a little extreme, I think, basing your opinion on something you haven't even experienced first hand.
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Palinor Featured By Owner Mar 9, 2012
Those kinds of complaints are rather huffy, but I do understand where they're coming from. I've been playing video games in the past wherein I've come across this exact situation, namely Lost Odyssey on the 360. As a fan of the creator, I wanted terribly much to finish the game, but they pulled a plot twist so contrived and uninspired that I just could not do this. It was a matter of, "Seriously, fuck you game developer, I want to continue supporting you but I just can't because of what you made."

I found myself at a complete impasse; torn between my want to continue supporting the creators of things I love, and a hate of this game. Yeah. This was based on something I personally experienced, and a person should not go along these lines without verifying that the perceived error is indeed a large error. So in this regard, I definitely see where you're coming from on this and I believe that they're being silly for making assumptions.

In regards to the game being fixed, yes, it most definitely won't be corrected. Even with the use of DLC, I doubt there will ever be a 'fix' to the game that gives people everything they want.
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