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******************NOTE: ALWAYS OUTDATED. NEEDS CONSTANT REVISION. SUGGESTIONS ARE WELCOME******************************



Up to date Velociraptor here: www.artstation.com/artwork/WKK… 



EDIT HISTORY:

EDITED 18/3/2012: pack hunting as speculative.
tail fan also as display and communication. (Ferahgo-the-aAssassin)

EDITED 31/3/2012: tail around the body when nesting. (MattMart)
Byronosaurus added to the troodontinds found in Djadokhta. (gdog00)

EDITED 15/4/2012: length of the tarsometatarsals corrected, metatarsal pads added.
eyes position less stereoscopic. (gdog00)

EDITED 5/12/2012: no lachrymal horns. (Qilong)

EDITED 5/9/2014: Newer reconstruction, changes in color, posture and wing arrangement (2013). About the wing feather arrangement: :iconsmnt2000: has made a much much better chart: fav.me/d75foyx and fav.me/d75fpbq.

EDITED 24/10/2014: Supraorbital membrane. How (I think) deinonychosaur eye sockets work (Osmatar)

Speed demons? NO. I didn'd have space to include this, but read it: dinogoss.blogspot.com.ar/2011/…



Thanks to some of the DA people who contributed somehow to my paleo-education and/or to this infographic:
:iconscotthartman: :iconalbertonykus: :iconewilloughby: :iconmattmart: :iconqilong: :icontyrannosaurusprime: :iconpilsator:
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Re: your note. I haven't been able to figure out how to ask a question on Deviantart. The person I always ask for help is dead and I'm not feeling to good either.

OC-Alert's avatar

Thank god for closed mouths.The fact references always show their mouths open has always made it difficult for me to draw their mouths closed.

The "eyebrow" on this guy reminds me of the brow of an eagle and I like it, I think you're right about that.


I find the "raptor tail feathers" so distinctive and aesthetically pleasing, though apprently something of an uncertainty for velociraptors in particular.

ChrisMasna's avatar

Agree on mouths. This depiction is *really* outdated, though. I'd add lips and modify the feathering, as I did in my latest Velociraptor reconstruction here: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/WKKgVN

OC-Alert's avatar

Nice! I think that texture looks more believable.

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More than a critique, this wants to be a lot of compliments from a hyper-enthusiast of paleoart and scientifically correct velociraptors.
First of all, your style is beautiful and a real source of inspiration for "dino-fanboys" like me. This deviation is also pretty much the long-sought source infographic on what is (or was) really Velociraptor. The subject itself is of impact and the silhouette is gorgeous. The background is appropriate and the color contrast that exists between the background and the subject is perfect. Info are absolutely correct and of an enviable precision. If I can give you a very modest suggestion, you may add in the lower left Citipati and Khaan to the oviraptorids (within Oviraptor) and Tsaagan to the dromaeosaurids (within Mahakala).
Your Velociraptor is the best among the 100000000 others "velociraptors" on web for me!
ChrisMasna's avatar
Thanks a lot, man. Yes, it need to be updated again, when I find some time I'll revise the species included (among other things that are outdated, like the wing arrengement diagram and main drawing).
I'm glad to know it is actually useful as an educative resource, that is my main intention. :)
Dennonyx's avatar
you are totally welcome :D
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Marvelous, simply marvelous, I have to say tis is on of the best fact files of dinosaurs I've seen so far. You've added great detail, I love the small info on the side, and great job on the feathers. Bu one thing, on the bottom right hand corner, the preening tail picture shows th tail curved to th side of it's body. Remember, dromeosaurid tails were stiff, meaning they weren't very flexible, Oh and also can you make animals in your next one make them interact with other animals please, otherwise you did fantastic, I hope there's more that would be great.
ChrisMasna's avatar
I committed the same mistake than you about "stiff tails" in my research, here (see the comments) you can see the arguments of why the dromaeosaurs had flexible tails: :thumb282873779: [link]
Best example for a small deinonychosaur: [link] .
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First off, allow me to say that this is incredibly accurate with the facts about Velociraptor mongoliensis. Also, I really like the setup of all of the info boxes, which make it an easy read for multiple groups of people. This would make an excellent poster for classrooms, etc. For the artwork, I can see that a lot of time and dedication was put into this project, especially for the scientific accuracy. I really like the "blue-jay" coloration of the animal, a real step away from the usual darker color schemes used in other works. As a amateur paleontologist, it is something I would used if I need a quick reference on Velociraptor. As an artist, I'm impresses with the creativity. Great job.
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I think this is an absoloutely incredible piece of palaeoart, and is one of the most accurate, well drawn dromaeosaurs I have ever seen. Not only is it accurate, the piece is also informarive and true to the fossil evidence, and has been presented in a very original format. I haven't seen an infographic like this in a long time, and I especially like the beige, sepia toned paper like background and slightly more simplistic yet still accurate line drawings of the grooming and resting Velcoiraptor, it makes the piece look like something from a wildlife obsevers handbook, showing one incredibly detailed depiction, highlighting clearly the recognisable details and colour schemes, paired with simpler behavioural obsevational drawings. The proportions are fantastic, and although this Velociraptor is a unique piece, you haven't overblown your artistic license with any over elaborate display feathers, you've kept to the science and restored Velociraptor based on proper evidence, yet at the same time added a unique artistic twist, especially in the colour scheme, which is something I haven't really seen in dromaeosaur art before, but I like it, and prefer it to your older, white Velociraptors, and recomend you stick to this pattern. Overall, I can't say anything bad or ciriticize this piece, and the only piece of advice I would give you is to do more of the lineart behavioural study pieces, perhaps showing the Velociraptor interacting with another species form it's habitiat, something like Protoceratops andrewsi, or maybe another Velociraptor would suffice. and I will leave you with the fact that I am looking forward to similar dinosaur infographics in the future. Well done!
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Darkton93's avatar
Excellent reference sheet here! Very informative.
My position on feathers is that what existed is what we have hard evidence for. Anything else is based upon speculation derived from extremely specialized and well preserved specimens in a specific environment. The whole line that birds evolved from raptors thing bothers me as well, because the fossil record indicates that advanced birds existed prior to the K-T event; take, for example, the recent discovery of a prehistoric duck.

Also, imagine going outside on a 110 degree day with a windbreaker on. Now imagine that you don't have the benefit of sweating. There's a reason animals that don't sweat stay in the shade on very hot days. And you're going to tell me most raptors retained all of their feathers from the common ancestor? I don't buy it.
paleosir's avatar
-''The whole line that birds evolved from raptors thing bothers me as well, because the fossil record indicates that advanced birds existed prior to the K-T event; take, for example, the recent discovery of a prehistoric duck.''-   Yes, but ''before the KT'' is an extremely long period of time. Those prehistoric ducks lived at the very end, 66 million years ago. They evolved from dromaeosaurid-like animals, but not actual dromaeosaurids (aka raptors).
Birds evolved from basal avialans like Anchiornis huxleyi, a small feathered maniraptoran from the middle jurassic, completely feathered.


-''My position on feathers is that what existed is what we have hard evidence for. Anything else is based upon speculation derived from extremely specialized and well preserved specimens in a specific environment''-  Except that we have evidence for feathers in a wide range of raptors. Dakotaraptor steini is a large (5,5m) raptor from a temperate climate and has wing knobs, structures that exclusively correlate with fully formed wings. Velociraptor mongoliensis is a medium sized raptor (2m) from a half-desert climate, also preserves wing knobs. 
Then we also have a ton of Liaoning dromaeosaurs that preserve feathers, from tiny gliding Microraptors, to medium sized flightless long-legged Zhenyuanlong. And much more. 

It would be very weird if we found any dromaeosaurid without feathers at this point.
Feathers aren't like fur.

They are closer to a thermos than a windbreaker.
ThatZoologyDude's avatar
My 4th favorite dinosaur! Good job dude!
y87arrow's avatar
"Velot-seeh-raptor" sounds embarrassing and it hurts the ears. I always pronounce it "Vellockiraptor".
Also, my favourite dromaeosaurids are Yurgovuchia doellingi and Utahraptor ostrommaysorum (one of my favourite second names).

But my most favourite dinosaur families are: Basal sauropodomorpha and all other triassic dinosaurs, Abelisaurs and basal coelurosauria.
Asuma17's avatar
Is it possible enough that Velociraptor could flex its tail in such a manner? I would really love to know cause then it does take out the thought of the tails of Velociraptorians and other small raptors as always being stiff.
paleosir's avatar
They had quite some flexiblity in the tail-base, but the rest of the tail was relatively stiff, like a strong fishing-rod (doesn't bend much normally, but can bend a bit when a force is exerted on it).
Asuma17's avatar
Great. That is good to hear, cause I always found it strange that it was always depicted with just a stiff tail and that was it. As if the tail had no such flexibility and the only V-raptor that got it kinda right was Jurassic Park.
paleosir's avatar
Jurassic Park had them a bit too flexible.
The first 5 vertebrae were quite flexible, the rest had tendons reinforcing them.
Asuma17's avatar
Yeah in Jurassic Park III, I saw Sorna raptor's tails freely flexible at the tip and it wasn't like that. But I really don't mind it.
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