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With Fire and Sword

By Celarx
Holy SHIT, this took me like ages, okay probably not that long but it felt like it :P

First things first:
pose came from :iconimperialstarletstock: Great stock images go check them out if you want to draw something :)
all textures come from cgtextures.com, all of them are heavily overpainted
Big probs go to :iconshiv0r: who gave me crutial critique and advice on how to fix some problams i had early in the development of the drawing, check him out, he deserves it ! :)

Edit: because this has to be here !
A big thanks goes out to :iconartofhkm: who took the time and wrote an awesome critique for me, thanks a lot ! And to anyone reading this, check his gallery out if you like my stuff you probably gonna like his too :)

Now to the image:
I started this some weeks ago when i felt really really down and the original folder name was "something awesome", naturally i started drawing a woman and started looking threw the galleries of the various stock artists i'm watching and settled for this one:
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From there on out one thing let to another and i really have no clue what i should be writing now, since the image went threw many many iterations. I got 17 images of work in progress stages sicne i like to see the progress i made after some hours of drawing.
Actually if you are really intrested in the process of how the image was created, I recoreded every drawing session on twitch. and they are saved there so yeah brace yourself, 4 pages of videos all 1-2 hours long :/
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ArtOfhKm's avatar
:star::star::star::star-empty: Overall
:star::star::star::star::star-empty: Vision
:star::star::star::star-half::star-empty: Originality
:star::star::star::star-empty::star-empty: Technique
:star::star::star::star-empty::star-empty: Impact

Oh man, this is a pretty ambitious piece by you. Kudos to that!

Now, time for critiques.
Overall, I like where you going with this. I could see that it takes a lot of time to finish this. The idea behind the composition and values are nice, and it is easy to understand what is going on in this piece. I also dig the details on the woman and the monster. The armor in particular is nicely designed. There's also an easy to understand story-telling as a piece, and you have worked it nicely.

Concept and theme wise, it's a bit of a miss for me personally. The creature looks like it belongs in a sci-fi, the woman looks like she belongs on a fantasy/ medieval setting, and the background suits the post-apocalyptic thing more. But this is pretty subjective. The mixed concept and theme can be successful, but you need to either really sell the 'different worlds clashing together' idea, or try to think about the cohesiveness of the piece as a whole. For example, if it's more of a sci-fi setting, maybe you should imply that by mixing her armor with a bit of sci-fi elements, or make her carry a small, sci-fi-ish gun with her. This would imply that maybe the sword is more ceremonial in nature, and due to circumstances, she needs to use it. I could see that it is implied slightly with the grenade and the bag on her back, but you should make it more apparent in my opinion. The ruins in the background could also use a touch of sci-fi to make it more cohesive since it feels a bit 'mid-age middle eastern' kind of feel. Maybe put in wrecked futuristic public transportations or flying cars, for example. But this is subjective, and I only give you some ideas to build on. Use themes that you feel is the best, and build on that.

Regarding the visual aspect, it also needs more cohesiveness as a whole. The women can be seen drawn using lines, while the creature is more painterly. Pick a style that you can stick with the whole piece and go with that. I actually quite like the work you have done on her costume, and it is pretty detailed. It's very nicely done. But, her sword comes off as a bit cartoonish. One tip is to avoid making props too big or it will appear cartoonish. It doesn't mean that you should make it too small however, but try to go with real life proportions. This is also because it is ingrained into our minds that katanas are slim and light swords so when it comes off that big, people will notice. This, or push it so it becomes really huge and the audience will notice that it is intentional on your part. Think of JRPGs and animes. There's also the issue with the sword looking a bit wonky, but I believe that it can be fixed easily. I feel a StarCraft and Starship Trooper kind of vibe with the creature design, and I think it works. But I can't comment further since I'm not that good myself at designing creatures, lol.

For the finish, the values work out nicely, I think. In the context of the piece overall, try to avoid blacks like on the women's armor. It throws off the value relationship of the whole piece since the dark/black values are too harsh on her. But the form and volume reads okay. One thing that you need to put some focus into is the color cohesiveness of the whole piece. Try to limit your color scheme used since it comes off a bit random here. Try to do some color studies in thumbnail format before proceeding. Look at photos, other paintings, your surroundings, or even stuff like Kuler if you must, and try to choose the best color scheme that helps you sell the idea and intention of your piece clearer. You have Gurney's book, right? If so, the part about color mapping falls into this. The piece comes off a bit random, especially with the purple creature, red woman and green rimlight going on. On paper, it might work since it is complementary, but that's what initial color studies are for! You should also design your colors to add the mood of the whole piece and to highlight the important subjects in a piece.

Okay, I guess that's enough for now. So, what is the main thing we learn here?

'Cohesiveness'

When there's a strong cohesiveness in a piece, the concept and the visual aspect, will be a lot more stronger, more impact, and a lot more memorable. There's something about cohesiveness to humans that makes it feel good. It is more organized, more easily remembered, readily understood, and speaks to us the loudest. There's more to talk about like your rendering ability, but I am confident that you will pick it up quickly as time goes on, but for now, strive for cohesiveness. Tips for producing a cohesive piece that I can give is this. Try to write down your ideas in your sketchbook and read it aloud. It doesn't have to be too detailed of a description, but should focus on a selected theme. Then, do quick thumbnails to create composition, values, and colors. You learn this quickly if you do complete pieces in traditional as there is a very small room for mistake. Do this if you must. And feel free to sacrifice on minute details of certain things for the sake of the cohesiveness and theme as a whole.

Anyway, I hope to see more progress from you, and this looks promising. Take my advice with a grain of salt since 'there are no rules, just tools' (there's a Craig Mullins' sketch that intentionally break the usual composition rule that successfully emphasize the chaotic nature of war, which highlights how true this mantra is). Study more, and actually do a lot more experimenting. Make mistakes, as you learn most from those. Good luck!
lucydowning101's avatar
What I don't think you've realized is this is a fan art of Warhammer 40k, so the creature design, armour design, the setting and stuff like that are all heavily inspired by the actual things in the game, so...
ArtOfhKm's avatar
I do have that feeling way way later after I posted that critique. So, it was a mistake on my part for not noticing it. Regardless, I do hope he and others who read this could feel that it helped them in some way or the other.

Thank you for notifying me though.
Celarx's avatar
i just realised that i do not get notices when people reply on your critique and found this just by luck ô.ô

ArtOfhKm do not worry your critique was and still is appreciated and I hope the bigger projects I am currently working on will show some progress in the
In addition i still want to return the favour one time please give me a heads up when you want a crituqe :)

lucydowning101 while it is important to notice that this is a warhammer 40k inspired image  the problems discribed by artofhkm are never the less real and needed to be adressed :)
ArtOfhKm's avatar
You don't need to, really. I'm just glad to help a brotha out.
Good luck on your journey!
Toraach's avatar

Ogniem i mieczem :)

Zoritluus's avatar
She should be able to take that insect out...if she really believes in the emperors might that is Floating    
Celarx's avatar
Baelickoris's avatar
... is that a Grendel from Deathstalker?
Celarx's avatar
nope, thanks for commenting though :)
DARTHTURDER12's avatar
come on you apes you want to live forever
Celarx's avatar
for the emperor, for the golden thorne and for the empire of man !
DARTHTURDER12's avatar
There is only the Emperor,
and he is our Shield and Protector.
Garrision30's avatar
very awesome work love your sister of battle and your fex but i have one question though. isn't the fex a bit small usually humans only come up to there knee
Celarx's avatar
heyho, thanks for your comment and compliments ! :)
To your question, the Fex is supposed to be smaller due to the perspective, if he would stand right next to the building behind him he'd be bigger than the arches of said building.
I have no doubt that it's due to my inexperience with perspective and composition at the time i drew this image that he appears to small compared to the sister.
check out my newest image to see how i've improved sicne then :)
Garrision30's avatar
well perspective is tuff especially when your dealing with things that are such different sizes and then u throw in arcitechture in the mix brings in a whole new world of complicated. It might look more proportionate if u changed perspective from a straight on to  either from the looking up at the sister  to the carnifex or looking at her from above and too the carnifex but i think that would make the arch a problem
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Celarx's avatar
Hey, thanks! Glas you Mike it
Dethonator00000's avatar
That creature on the left looks really Zerg-like (from Starcraft). Another way of putting it is that you get the feeling it will rip you to shreds, given the chance...and I get a feeling that is the feeling you wanted to put onto it :) -Nice- job!
Celarx's avatar
thanks for your comment and yes there are a lot of simiarites between zerg and tyranids, but both are derivated from the insect monster from star shipt troopers :)
Lukas-the-Trickster's avatar
Why is it that the fans seem to capture Sisters of Battle so much better than actual GW artists? They should commissioning people like you. This is awesome. Love everything about it. 
Celarx's avatar
wow. thanks ! that's a really unexpected praise, I for one do not concider myself even near as good as the artists working for GW. Thanks a lot ! :)
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