" I am so fucking tired of seeing pro-Confederacy bumper stickers and flags. I saw it even when I lived in the North, but in Virginia, the fucking Confederate Generals are treated like HEROES.
No, they weren't heroes, Mr. Pickup Truck-Driving Dickhead on your cellphone. They were slave owners. You're not a "rebel," either. You're a redneck at best.
This goes to the devotees on dA and around the web, too. "
Lol true ^
These days the flag represents southern pride. If it weren't for groups like the KKK who stole the flag to use it for their racist bullshit, I doubt many people would see the flag as racist. Cause lets face it, there are even people in the south who can't stand racist assholes.
I'm from Georgia (don't live there anymore) and I'm not ashamed. :3 Hey if the rebel flag pisses off liberal lunatics I'll proudly wear it.
Get with the times y'all. We know slavery was bad and you can bet most southerners these days would not support slavery. We're just proud of being southern. Ain't nothing wrong with that!
I was looking up rebel flag stamps and I found this little thing.
I'm from the south. Not ashamed of it and nobody should be ashamed of where they came from. Not like they had a choice of where they were born.
I'm all for free speech, that's why I'm proud to be living in America regardless of what some people may think.
Question, what's your opinion on this whole, taking the knee garbage? Honestly I find it very disrespectful. There are other ways to bring awareness about injustice lol xD the logic of some of these people. If I want to go to a sports game, I don't wanna see any political garbage. I just wanna watch the damn game.
I still stand by my beliefs regardless of what people say or think about me. And I think everyone should be like that. Be proud of what you support or believe in, and don't take shit from anyone that tries to tell you you can believe or support that.
And yeah I'm all for peaceful protesting. What I hate, are violent ones. It's a main reason why I HATE Antifa with a passion. They can do their silly lame chanting and walk down the streets as they chant all they want. But the second they throw a punch or hit someone over the head with a bike lock, they've taken it to far. It also pisses me off when I see these extreme left people attacking Trump supporters.....just because they voted for the guy. Its ridiculous. the same goes for the extreme violent folk on the right as well. The second you throw a punch if its not in self defense, you kinda lose your argument.
I'm from the south, (never cared for waving a Confederate Flag) but I can see why the majority of southerners do it.
that was like
over 100 years ago
of course we dont care anymore
Losers need to marry themselves to a symbol or they wake up deceased.
My ancestors freed their slaves a long time before the succession of the Southern States even started.
So what were they fighting for?
Now, I don't want to start a fuss over DA, and I hold nothing against you or anyone reading this, but THIS is very unnecessary and the accusations listed in the description are inaccurate. So I sincerely ask that all reading this continue reading.
1: There is a reason we have pro-Confederate bumper stickers. Same as how all of us Americans have the right to fly the US flag, and sadly, many also burn the US flag (which really makes me mad). It is also like any other person gets to celebrate their family's history and their heritage as we all Americans do. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO. Also, we are also attempting to preserve THE TRUE HISTORY, not what many in the federal government (along with others) are wanting us to hear.
2: There is a reason many Confederate generals are praised so much in the North as they were in the South.
General Lee (former Colonel, US Army) for instance, was a noble man who lived his life without his father around (his father being Light-Horse Harry Lee, a famous Revolutionary War hero), and graduated from West Point Military Academy WITH NO demerits, a feat that has never been achieved before or since. He argued that slaves should have been freed, and also freed all of his and let them go, some of whom stayed. He also treated his prisoners as he would his own men.
General Stonewall Jackson (former Major, US Army), was a strong and devout Christian, as Lee was. He was a brilliant tactician who never backed down from a fight; in fact, had he not been wounded by friendly fire and later died as a result, many respected historians agree that the Confederacy would have won the war.
Yes, there were several generals in grey who were not great men, but the same went with the Union army. One prime example was General Sherman, who himself was a slave owner (yes, it's true), and murdered innocent men women and children with his 'total war' and the March to the Sea, the original example of terrorism.
3: There was a reason the Confederates fought the war, AND IT WAS NOT SLAVERY.
At this time, only 20% of all taxes paid annually was by citizens in the North; the other 80% was paid by Southerners. Since it was cheaper to import goods from England and Europe, the South traded with them more than the North. As a result, the federal government raised taxes unfairly.
Here's the statistics: 55% tax on iron and metal goods; 45% tax on cotton goods and cloth; and so on.
Therefore, the South, just as the patriots did in 1776, declared themselves independent from the tyrannical government that oppressed them.
4: To further support #3, here's some statistics from the US Census records in 1861 (information taken from Library of Congress. Don't believe me, LOOK IT UP)
Population of all people, including citizens and slaves:
95.5% of the population of lower class (as a result of the aforementioned high taxes), all colors, never owned a slave nor had the ability to.
4.5% of Southern population, white and black and etc, owned slaves. (Yes, there were FREED slaves who owned slaves!)
So, with that said, why would 95.5% of the entire region of the country secede from the Union, who also owned slaves, only to fight for the slaves of the other 4.5%? And how could the Confederates all be slave-owners, if only 4.5% out of MILLIONS owned even ONE slave?
And to make another clear point, THERE WERE BLACK CONFEDERATE SOLDIERS. General Lee was one of many who pushed to free the slaves, and one way of doing so was to give them freedom in turn for helping fight the Northern Invaders who threatened to take the land that both blacks and whites lived on. General Lee also spoke of how brave and courageous these Black soldiers were, and crediting them as 'some of the best soldiers who have ever served under my command', as he put it.
5: Also, with all this said, these slaves were indeed imported from Western Africa. Sold by who? Other black tribesmen who sold captives from other villages or communities, FOR RUM! Afterwards, the slaves were imported to the United States, touching land NOT IN THE SOUTH, no sirs and ma'ams! The slaves arrived in the docks of Rhode Island, Massachusetts, and Maryland, ALL OF WHOM WERE NORTHERN STATES. (Also, Maryland was a Union state through the whole war, but THEY OWNED SLAVES! Yes, Union states owned slaves!)
6: They weren't heroes, you say?
Here's some examples to prove that statement wrong.
Confederate president Jefferson Davis (true story) was riding home one night during the war. Along the way, he discovered a young black boy, a runaway slave, and determined what he was going to do with him. Instead of taking him back to the rich slave-owner (who was down the road), he took the boy with him and went home. He adopted the little guy, and welcomed him to the Davis family. He raised the boy as he did his own children through the rest of the war, until the Union captured him and his family. The Union soldiers arrested him, and forcibly took the young black boy from the family, EVEN THOUGH HE WAS LEGALLY PART OF THE FAMILY. None of the Davis family, nor Jefferson Davis, would ever see his adopted son again. In this case, the Union was the bad side.
General Lewis Armistead, an older Confederate general, was one of three brigade commanders under Pickett's command during Pickett's charge. The 15,000 strong force was to march across two miles of open field, under Union artillery and small arms fire. By the time they reached the Emmitsburg Road, roughly half way to Cemetery Ridge (the Union line's center), many men had already died. He and his brigade kept going. Further toward the position, the other two generals were missing (one dead, one mortally wounded), leaving Armistead to take command of the surviving force. He led them onward, inspiring them, right into the Union line, and broke through, nearly breaking the Union line, but was mortally wounded in the chest. The charge was repulsed, and after all was said and done, over 90% of the 15,000 Confederates in the charge were killed; that means less than 200 able-bodied soldiers made it back to the Confederate lines. Armistead, however, was captured, and sent to a hospital where he died days later. Armistead knew the charge would almost guarantee his death, and so did his men, BUT THEY WENT IN ANYWAY. This brave deed and heroism through sacrifice is much more than many would even consider doing.
Therefore, these events, along with countless others, are high water proof that the Confederacy had heroes. Heck, they always went into battle outnumbered, outgunned, and poorly-supplied; but guess what? THEY WHOOPED THE UNION ARMY FOR THREE YEARS STRAIGHT! And in the last two years, they still held together to the end.
7: I would not use 'Rebel' to describe me. If you look on my DA page, you will find that I am a very patriotic person, both for the United States of America AND the Confederate States of America. Also, my ancestors (and I have the record to prove this), were divided in the war, with one half Union and one half Confederate; and the way I see it, the Confederates were never 'rebels' as you call them and me, but THEY WERE ALL AMERICANS! Blue, Grey, it didn't matter; it was brother fighting brother (and sometimes sister), and no one rebelled against another. They LEGALLY and HONESTLY seceded from the Union, NOT THE COUNTRY, BUT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. BUT, the government said that they didn't have the right to leave (even though the Declaration of Independence clearly states that), and so they practically asked for the attack on Ft Sumter, which was SOUTH CAROLINA soil, and they had already asked for the Union forces there to leave, who would instead stay.
No, we were not 'rebels'. We were American patriots repeating the history of ALL of our forefathers, in what many called the 'Second American Revolution'.
8: Am I a redneck? Well, I am, but I am also an American citizen, proud patriot, member of the National Honor Society, and a fellow brother of our grand Nation Under God.
9: Mr Pickup Truck-driving D***head? This I certainly am not either. I am not even ON my cell phone, thank you! And what would you have me drive? A car made out of rope, tires, and cardboard held together by duct tape?!
10: Lost the war? In truth, it has never ended. Yes, General Lee's army surrendered at Appomattox. BUT, many never surrendered, like General JO Shelby and his 2,000 cavalry soldiers. What did they do? They refused to live under ILLEGAL AND UNJUST rule under Reconstruction occupation, and instead took their families and marched South to Mexico, where they would become citizens. None of them surrendered.
Also, Florida (the state I live in) was NEVER captured by Union forces, even though several attempts were made to take the capital, all of which were unsuccessful. Florida NEVER SURRENDERED, but instead asked VOLUNTARILY to return to the Union.
12: Why are we always showing our Confederate pride? Well, aside from the fact that we have as much right as anyone else to express our beliefs and heritage, we are also still fighting the ongoing battle against those who would erase part of our history forever (aka, the NAACP). In 1989, the NAACP publicly declared that they were intent on attacking the Confederate symbol and our heritage, and ERASE it all. This aggressiveness to forcibly change people's beliefs and impose on them, is of course, ILLEGAL. Aren't we ALL entitled to our beliefs, and remember our families? Apparently, many don't think so, such as the NAACP. In fact, society has basically been drowned with all this fake bulls*** like 'The war was about slavery', and 'we were mindless slave owners'. As a result, and to prevent the fear of 'offending' certain people, America has gradually turned its back on its own people, and forced to believe these infectious lies, and therefore creating an antagonistic and hateful attitude toward fellow Americans, who were no less deserving of the respect they have been given for 150 years.
Furthermore, we are therefore rallying support to protect our heritage (which is illegally being attacked)
11: Now, to all who have read this far, I hope that this information, THAT IS PROVEN TRUE BY THE LIBRARY OF CONGRESS, and first-hand witnesses and sources, has helped somebody or some people see that this ARROGANT, BIGOTROUS, and OUTRIGHT ASSENINE comment is obviously blind-sighted.
I also hope that, if any of my Confederate brothers and sisters are reading this, that you put this knowledge to good use in the future if you don't know this already. And to any Union brother and sister of mine who is reading this, please read this and take my words into consideration. Perhaps you may learn something that somebody else doesn't want you to know. Maybe you could at least look upon the Confederates that many criticize blindly and without consideration, and see them as brothers and sisters. But most of all, and I ask this of all, LET US ALL see each other as fellow Americans.
Thank you to all who read this. Veo Vindice, my brothers and sisters.
No seriously, you're trying to reason with deranged idiots.
On a side note, I've been to dozens of Civil War-related sites. I'm that weird person who goes to museums instead of amusement parks...
Over the past 6 years, I have done the same, visiting Shiloh, Corinth, Richmond, Gettysburg, and others (had the honor of being a reenactor at Gettysburg), and have been with an artillery group for local reenactments in the tri state of Florida, Georgia, and Alabama. If we forget our past, then we quickly lose reason to be proud of who we are and what our families have done before us. So many are ignorant of history (not that inconsistent propaganda rabble they shove down people's throats), and thus our overall sense of US nationalism is eroding.
I love museums and such. It probably started when I was in preschool and I asked my mom what a mummy was. She got me a book about ancient Egypt... And my interest in history, folklore, mythology, biology, paleontology, world cultures, you name it, snowballed like crazy.
My Geography and AP European History teacher called me his "walking Google." I'm such a nerd...
Im probably the only guy in my graduating class that ever loved history and museums and such. We are much alike in that regard. Heh, I was reading Dinosaur encyclopedias in 3rd grade xD
Nerd Life rules man!
An old Biblical Proverb about giving wisdom or the truth to fools.
Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and tear you.
Basically why tell these people who clearly care nothing for the old south the truth about when you know they will just turn around and call you names and hate you and your kind for that truth.
Ah, now I remember.
Well, I say these things because it is what was charged of me and my fellow compatriots in the Sons of Confederate Veterans; If we don't speak out with the truth, then no one else will. Even though the world has been fooled by the government's lie (which Woodrow Wilson himself admitted to in 1914), I cannot let that lie go unchallenged
As one man said: silence is submission.
If I submit and don't say anything, then I will fail in preserving the truth that we've strived to protect since 1896
Plus, a confederate government doesn't even work. They tried a technique similar to a confederate republic early in the years of the US and had to quickly change it.
Another thing I thought about is, why would somebody like the confederacy & the US? It's just if you're going to be proud to be an American... why would you also support the confederacy?
I dunno. Maybe I'm overthinking a stamp but still. I dislike the consistant usage of this flag.