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Am I the only one that is getting sick to death of the "Girls need Role Models" tropes, as well as finding it unintentionally sexist as well?

With male characters, they can be heroes, villains, anti-heroes, anti-villains, complete neutrals and what not.
But with female characters, it seems like they just have to be role models, and nothing more to some people.

Am I the only one who finds this a sexist and hypocritical double standard?
For all I am concerned, the "Girls needs role models" trope is the reason why Mary Sue blank slate characters exist.

So, to put it bluntly, if male characters can be whatever they want to be, so can female characters.
Fictional characters (male or female) do NOT EXIST to be babysitters for your children (nor adult children for that matter).
It's up to family, friends and authority figures to be role models, not a drawing on a piece of paper.

End of story!
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EmpressHonerva Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2018  New Deviant
Can I marry this stamp? Also, I hate when a male character looks attractive and wear clothes that show off his muscles it's a "power fantasy", but if a female character is beautiful and/or busty and wears clothes that show her midriff or cleavage it's somehow "sexual objectification" and "sexism."
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2018  Student General Artist
I think these so-called "Feminists" are really entitled nice gals in denial I say.
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EmpressHonerva Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2018  New Deviant
That sounds accurate.
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EmpressHonerva Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2018  New Deviant
I've noticed it's often adult women who complain about Barbie's body more than kids do. Talk projecting one's insecurities onto a fictional character.
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chibiuverworld Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Not surprised that it's adult women, there's no way the average kid would complain about her body proportions. Do these women realize that Barbie isn't even marketed for them?
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner May 21, 2018  Student General Artist
Amen. Well put my friend.

I will feature this post.
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chibiuverworld Featured By Owner May 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks!
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yudrontheglatorian Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
this is exactly my stance! why shouldn't men and boys appreciate female characters, like they do it with male characters?

i used to watch Kim Possible when i was younger and i didn't disregard her, because she was a girl and i was a guy. i always thought that she was cool and i still do. (i also liked Shego) But the same goes also for Ron Stoppable, despite him being the butt of the joke, many times. (i mainly appreciate his moments, when he is the one who shines.)

one of my Childhood games, Mata Nui Online Game 2 had Hahli, a female Matoran as the main character. and i loved this game!

i never really considered any male character as "role-model" for me.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2018  Student General Artist
I don't get it either....It's like to feminists, men who appreciate female characters, and women who appreciate male characters is just plain wrong to them.
Though people shouldn't judge by gender, but by the content of the character.
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yudrontheglatorian Featured By Owner Apr 9, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
yup.
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TanukiKlaw Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I actually like well-written characters in movies/TV shows, considering they can be good role models for kids (or teens/adults, for that matter). 
Though, I'm not saying that I support the "kids NEED good role models!!!!1111!!!!" trope. Drawings, CGI figures, etc. are not simply made to teach morals, they're made to tell a story. 
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Student General Artist
I understand where you are coming from.

Plus, if someone looks up to a character as a role model, shouldn't they be focusing on the character's personality and not gender or color of skin?
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TanukiKlaw Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
That's true.
While I do like diversity in characters, they shouldn't be considered good role models just because they're of another nationality or something. 
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2018  Student General Artist
I agree.
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Binkyt11 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Honeslty, I feel characters are successful if they're made to be relatable by a large spectrum of people. Not to just one specific group.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2018  Student General Artist
So you think fictional characters should babysit people or something?
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Binkyt11 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
No. Not at all. But I feel like with some characters there are some created very well that can leave a good impact on people. Not as much as real people, but for some the realm of fiction has some lessons an characters that they may want to take in for themselves. Seriously, there's a difference between "babysitting" and just having a good relatable character that some people can learn something from. And not in the preachy bulshit sorta either.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2018  Student General Artist
Oh, I see.
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Binkyt11 Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Exactly.
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Rorrx Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Why can't fictional men be role models to girls?
Mine's the flash XD
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 7, 2018  Student General Artist
True enough...Good characters come in any gender, race, species and whatnot, not just female characters.
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Rorrx Featured By Owner Jan 8, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah. Like, we need good characters. A character for the sake of having that character is never a good character :/
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Maybe it's because the majority of female chracters (not all) are just token girls or stereotypes. The male characters aren't tokens or stereotypes of being male. They are written as a character before their gender. Before recently female characters were written as their gender before written as a person.

It's ok for a female character to have flaws. What I'm saying is that there should be more female characters that don't just fit into a few boxes of what a "female character" is.
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They don't see fictional characters as rolemodels or friends they can talk to.

They more see these characters and relate to them on some level. A lot of people do that.

You probably have a character that you can relate to, right?

So there's this black person, and he's a bit of a geek, but not overly nerdy architype.
Whenever he goes on TV, the only characters that are like him are hip sassy wisecracking sidekicks. He sort of wishes there were more black characters that were more like him and had the same interests like him.
Then a black main character shows up and is a bit of a geek but not too nerdy and it makes this person happy that someone acknowledges there are people like him too, and are not just sassy hip wise-cracking sidekicks and stereotypes.

There are A LOT of White Male characters that vary character personality, and a lot of them can be relatable.
most minority characters fall under the same few tropes. 
Females: Token Girl, Confident serious girl that becomes the love itnerest, damsel in distress, and manic pixie dream girl
Black Characters: Sassy sidekicks, and that's it mostly
And I barely even SEE Other race characters or LGBT characters so I can't even name stereotypes for them.
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
But it matters to the writers. (and the fans)

I literally said these characters don't HAVE to be role models. Also, these people are real, so you really can't complain about their identity, because it isn't a choice.


Diversity DOES NOT EQUAL Political correctness. It shouldn't even be CONSIDERED political. There are a TON of female/POC/LGBT conservatives. I'm not asking for TV shows to be pro-choice or be anti-Trump. 
To Writers, you have to have a (mostly stereotpyical) reason for a character to be female/black/POC/LGBT/etc. While they think they don't need a reason to have a white/male/straight/cis character.

If you say "why is this character female/POC/LGBT?" you can say the same thing with "why is this character white/POC/LGBT?"

All you need to do is take a character (that hasn't been made yet. Having a character change identity mid-series would be awkward) and change their race/gender/sexuality. That's IT.
If it does not condradict the story "for example, if a female character falls for a guy, she can't be a lesbian" there is literally NO good reason for a character NOT to be a minority. 
I'm not asking for no more white cis straight male characters. You can still have them. I'm fine with that. I'm just asking for more diversity that ISN'T stereotypes.

"PC culture kills art"
How does having some non-white female characters that are just like any other character killing art?

As for the "Write it yourself" argument. It takes YEARS to have a story on TV. First you need to have a bachlors degree, get hired, greenlight a show, and then wait aroung 5 years for the show to get started. This is even harder when you TRY to have a diverse cast.
Also, even when characters write stories with a diverse cast, MILLIONS of people constantly comment about "It's RUINED" "Trying TOO HARD TO BE DIVERSE" "PANDERING TO THE SJWS" even when there are no political undertones to the story. (For example, look at COCO)

I was never bullying any creator for having no diversity. I'm just making a statement on Media in general: not a specific show.
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Supercoco142 Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Your Comparison does not work.

First off, there are SO MANY SHOWS with non human main characters: MLP, Littlest Pet Shop, Steven Universe, Bambi, Zootopia, Robin Hood, Dumbo, Aristicats, Zhu Zhu Pets, Sonic Boom, Scaredy Squirrel, Spongebob, Care Bears, Animaniacs, The Muppets, Finding Nemo, etc. And those are only the shows I can name off the top of my head.
So they aren't a rare occurence. Also, no one is going "This is PETA's doing, isn't it?" Or "WHY ARE THEY ANIMALS!?" 

And if you want to see humans as demons, look at any enviormental show ever.

Another reason why this argument doesn't work is because Animals aren't an oppressed class, and the Animal Characters aren't stereotyped are all fall into the same few boxes.


Think of a better arugment next time. 
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Dec 26, 2017  Student General Artist
I don't wanna argue anymore. Let's agree to disagree, and move on with our lives, instead of debating something as petty as fiction.
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Wonderland-Rebel Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017   General Artist
Your ending paragraph in your description is just perfection.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2017  Student General Artist
I know how you feel.

People get so worked up over imaginary characters.
Fictional characters are not babysitters, nor are they artificial soccer moms (come on guys, real life soccer moms are bad enough!).
They are there to entertain and tell a story to people. 

This is the reasons why I despise a LOT of 1990's Saturday Morning Cartoons.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2017  Student General Artist
Hell, I remember people making a big deal out of Poison from the Capcom universe being a trans woman antagonist.
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HominineBeauty Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I'm pretty sure that there are members of the LGBT community in real life who joined the dark side and committed crimes, so naturally, there are LGBT antagonists in fiction.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2018  Student General Artist
There are LGBT antagonists? There needs to be more IMO.
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HominineBeauty Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2018  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Yes, yes indeed! That would be faaaaabulous! Mwahahahahahahaaaa!! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!
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ChippingChart66 Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2017
IKR? This why I supposedly commend those physical IRL individuals who virtuously yelled order me to the point where I regret merely being scared shitless when I was younger!
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Adam-Walker Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2017  Student Writer
No character of mine will be shirtless or scantily clothed. Unless they're like these:

drive.google.com/folderview?id…
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2017  Student General Artist
Hell, most of my main original characters, both male and female, are demi human monster people. And guess what?
My demi human characters act far more human and life like than these role model blank slate characters.

Isn't that ironic.

I thank my father for being a good parent to me. He knew I had problems, yet he helped me become a useful member of society.

RIP Father. I miss you.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2017  Student General Artist
Amen bro! You speak the truth! CURSE YOU! 
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whipscorpion Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2017  Student Traditional Artist
Ugh, no your not.  It annoys the crap outta me too.  I almost NEVER see anyone complain about people drawing or portraying hyper-sexualized male characters, but when someone draws a female character in a somewhat remotely similar fashion, that's when shit hits the fan.  
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 13, 2017  Student General Artist
That is a double standard that pisses me off to no end.
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Boschian-Fantasies Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2017  Student General Artist
Hell, my original female characters are supernatural beings, and even they are more human acting than these PC role model blank slates feminists seem to adore.
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