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Seafins Critique

Sun Sep 24, 2017, 7:02 AM


Edit: DO NOT try discussing the theme anymore! I am sick and tired of keep explaining myself! 


I don't want to talk about it anymore because it is useless. The creator gives a damn about what I said, more people agree and start fighting and more defenders are starting to hate. I DID NOT write this critique to start a war goddammit! It was my personal opinion/review of the "species"! 
If you like Seafins then so be it! Leave me out of it, I have had it with this stuff!!





A/N: I usually don't do something like this but it really has bugged me a lot these past months. I don't want to ruin anyone's day, don't want to fight nor am I jealous or have bad intentions in any way. I just want to clear this out. This is just a neutral criticism about the species called "Seafins". This is my personal opinion.  I do this to warn anyone who is considering buying a Seafin in the future. 



Alright so, as you all know there are many many different pony species out there, created by fans and eventually having huge success thanks to their originality. 
Creating your own species is fun and that way you can find more people who might be interested. But creating a unique species is not easy since there are already so many out there you need to compete with. 
So how does one create a unique, original species and what mistakes can I do? In order to make an original species, you need to have a brilliant idea which hasn't been made before or is maybe inspired by something but different in some ways. 



I want to introduce you the Seafins, an "original pony species" created by Jahpan and tell you some things about it, which personally really bothered me and explain you what's so bad about it.

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First of all, everyone who thinks that the Seafins are an original pony species should be ashamed of themselves. They are NOT original in the least bit and are just basically a ripped of version of the already existing Seapony species which you can find all around the internet. 


Creating a water themed pony species is indeed difficult since you don't have many possibilities to define your creations since all of them have to own certain fish parts to navigate through water. But the Seafins shocked me the most of them all. 
Don't get me wrong, I like how much effort they put into the design of the group's front page and all but the species itself is just garbage. 
And here are a few reasons why Seafins don't count as an original species in the first place: 



Seafins and Seaponies are the same


I am sure many people already have said the same but Seafins look EXACTLY like Seaponies. The traits are so unoriginal that the species isn't even worth being called a species, and it should never be a "closed species" at all! The traits are the same like from the Seaponies with no original content which could possibly make the Seafins unique and different from the normal Seaponies. You could literally create a Seapony which looks just like a Seafin and no one could blame you for it since you intended to create a Seapony. Just look at the species guide:

Official Seafins Species Guide by Jahpan 

-> No special traits in the design, all the traits are ripped off the already exsiting Seaponies. Having "natural colors" as a trait isn't working either and the whole species seems lazily copied and not well enough thought through. 


And if you tell me that the traits are unique enough, have a look at this:

Pastel Dream Legendary Seafin Auction CLOSED by JahpanSeapony Fluttershy By Kp Shadowsquirrel-d4oc3j4 by Blumydia

Can you tell me the difference between Seafin and Seapony?
(The only difference is the art style.)

Probably not since Seafins don't have any special traits to make them different from the Seaponies in the first place.


But what makes the whole species seem lazy is that the creator gave literally just a small crap about creating one trait to make them different. It is an absolute ridicilously made trait with no real reason behind it- the magical "charm on their tail".

Claiming "magic" as a trait is bad. Not only because magic is a terrible way to create a trait of, it just has no point at all for this species except of "keeping them calm and once it is removed, they're turning into wild beasts". That is not a trait. It's not unique in the least bit.

The gradient stuff in their fins is okay, but other than that, Seafins have no special traits. And anyone could literally create one themselves without paying anything when they simply just create their own Seapony with accessories around their tail, a color gradient in their fins and that's it. No need to pay for a MYO, custom or adopt.




"Seafins are based of the magical creature named hippocampus" 


Yeah.. like I said, creating a pony species inspired by water creatures is hella difficult since you don't have any more options to make them unique.
And to say that Seafins are based of a hippocampus is just a lazy excuse for the species being so plain the same like the Seaponies.


In fact, even Seaponies are based of that magical creature too so this does not count as a reason why the Seafins are different than Seaponies.



In conclusion...


to not make this journal even longer, I am just gonna say, Seafins are no original species. Not at all. 
No one should ever, ever, ever buy an adopt since you could simply desiging one for yourself instead by using Seaponies. That the Seafins are a "closed species" is absolutely ridicilous since they are not special in their design at all and the creator is making money with an idea which already exsists. That's just awful and desperate.



If you wanna see good original species, have a look at :iconpyrlafins: or :iconlunar-wish-catchers: because those species are well thought through, have an original concept design and are so magically unique and different in so many ways so that it is waaay much more worth it to spend money on! 

Don't ever support the Seafins. They're not worth it. 
I am disappointed that so many people are so blind and think they're unique. It's a RIP-OFF. If you think the same, help me to spread the word and share this journal so that everyone can see it! 




Again, I don’t do this to hurt anyone, to hate or any other mean reason. My plan is it to convince them that they HAVE TO find a way to make their species original if they wanna keep it. It can't stay like this. 

Here are a few next explanations after I had a little chat with the creator. 

Hippocampus are still used as an excuse. It appears that they don't understand that Hippocampus is just the description of a creature who's half horse half fish. Seaponies are half horse half fish too so they are basically the same. They also tried to defend theirselves with the whole "MLP is also not a unique and just ponies with a tattoo on the butt"- MLP is in fact not unique in the least bit since they're NO SPECIES but a TV SHOW ABOUT PONIES. You can't compare a pony species with a TV Show style. 
Seaponies is basically another name for Hippocampus and with that the basic big term for ponies underwater. 
If you wanna make an original species inspired by those waterponies, you HAVE TO find a good and unique trait to make them different than from casual Seaponies/Hippocampus. 

Their species is not - and I repeat - not unique since they are only Seaponies/Hippocampus with backstory. You can't define a new species just because they're different in their behavior. As an example: I wanna create a new closed cat species, but I keep the design from normal usual cats and just add something to the backstory like "they don't purr and have white whiskers. A magical earring keeps them being active, without them they would just sleep". 
Is that a new original species? No. You can use backstories like that for character design but not for a species.

>Using the term "seaponies" can indeed make one think about MLP, still is MLP not a way to compare the species with though. The coloring traits in the species are NOT unique. They are not special enough to define and make the species different to be count as a species in the first place. And yes, I am indeed looking for more in a species than just an added backstory for an already exsiting species. In order to make an original species, you need IDEAS how to make your species unique. If you simply copy the design from another species and add the story to it, you're stealing an already exsiting idea and that's theft, plagiarism

What makes me really disappointed is that the creator does not understand what I am trying to say. The "traits" they are NOT ENOUGH for Seafins to be an own original species but they simply don't want to believe me. 
Like I said, I don't have any bad intentions with this, I am doing this to help improving the species and to update it!



Jahpan, if you read this, I am serious, your species NEEDS TO BE UPDATED with newer unique traits! Pyrlafins prooved that it is possible to create an original seapony/hippocampus inspired species. 

And most of all, I am not the only one who thinks your species is not special enough! I don’t want to hurt you or make your species“ bad, I just want to help. 

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:iconperunium-ursogulo:
Perunium-ursogulo Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Just saying, this font is really hard to read. Like really. And with that complex bg it's almost impossible to read, I had to copy it in this comment field to read.
Also, just curious, does Jahpan herself know about this journal?
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Yes she does
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Perunium-ursogulo Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
That's interesting
I have looked through the comments, but I found no trace of her answering, nor in her journals.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
We talked through notes and comments somewhere else.
Why do you wanna see her reaction so badly? I can tell you how she reacted on the critique if you really wanna know.
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Perunium-ursogulo Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh, I see, okay.
I'm just curious, because it is the first time I see something like that about the creations of someone who I've been following for years now.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Understandable.
I was the first one who was actually dumb enough to post a critique about a famous group and think I could change anything to the better.
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Perunium-ursogulo Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
And as I can see nothing really changed?
Also, mind if I answer the question about the differene between two images? I looked at it more closely, and even though I'm pretty indifferent on the topic of seafins themselves (unlike the water dogs, to be honest) and I don't want to pick a side, I have something to say.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Feb 27, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Nothing changed except that I got blocked because Jahpan couldn't handle me telling her the truth.
Oh and a few other people got mad about the species too so I pretty much started a war even though I didn't want to lol.
Sure go ahead~
I'd love to know if someone could finally explain me what's so special about the Seafins in the first place, and not just because they're "drawn differently than the normal Seaponies".
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LunarEquinox Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Thing is as far as i know the creator isnt doing that. I have made and bought other seaponies have never been accused of that. Plus i own a seafin and i adore her even if the concept isnt the most unique. Then again with 8billion people in the world and no way to know if something already fully or even partially exisits there is no way to know if any of our arts are 100% creative and new. The species and the owner isnt harming anyone and isnt thieving just because somethibg isnt the most unique idea. All the art is at least drawn and not stolen and thats all that matters. Hell i have shell ponies and i am sure others out in this large world probably has something similar no matter how unique i try to make them...does that mean i am a next target for people to attack? We should all just get along -.- 
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Beginneratart Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I know lol, that's why I said it'll be funny if it did happen. It's true that coincidences happen, but seaponies have been around since, I dunno, 1980s? I think that's when they first debuted. Yes, it's also not harming anyone. However, the journal above was merely a critique on the species, which is justifiable. Attacking someone in general isn't good, but ignoring proper criticism would be ignorance and wouldn't get you anywhere. 
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Noticed respect, I agree that no pony species is 100% completely original since they all base on the same base idea: the ponies. 
But have a closer look at the Seafins. Do they have any special traits what could possibly make them stand out and different from all the other pony species out there? 
I am not accusing them to steal artwork, they just simply took something which has already been made and said it's their own. 
All the other pony species have certain traits what makes them unique, while Seafins have none. The creator did not take their time to come up with anything which is in my opinion just lazy... 
It is unfair to all the people out there who have troubles getting their species recognized such as Flufabu-Forest or GlassBottlePonies
And while they might look pretty, it doesn't change the fact that they are no original species at all. If the Seafins was a group for people who wanna share their love for seaponies it would be fine but it's not a original species. 
Besides, I tried to help Jahpan, I tried to explain my doubts and wanted to tell her that she might come up with traits for her species but all she did was block me so you see why I am kind of angry, right? No understanding, no will to cooperate nor accepting critism.
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LunarEquinox Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
Like i told someone else who dragged me in by tagging my name just because i own one...I understand that but that dont mean drama should be started. We dont start drama over the fact a Mars bar and a milky way are technically the same...or that generic mount dew taste the really similar to the real deal... off brands and generic all claim to be original or compared to their counter parts and make money off just different stickers or one added ingrident. Hell some name brands do it to make more money. Ragu sauce and great value are the same only diff is they make great values sauce thinner. Unless jahpan goes and starts trouble trying to stop people from making seaponies then there is not a real purpose to start drama over something so trivial. To me seafins are chibi seaponies with little charms based on their talent or backstory. Yes they are pretty much just a seapony with a charm but they arent hurting anyone. The price did sky rocket which is why i am not getting another same reason i wont buy ponds and aquas they are way to over priced...but its all what a person believes their time and effort is worth. I have an Aqua equine closest i could get to a pond pony and they are really similar. There is also two different coffee spieces with just one or two difference. So in the end its gonna happen just like in retail so unless Jahpan openly starts hasseling people who make seaponies i see no issues its merely just a little meaningless label. I am sure there are people making different cs ponies daily that no one will even know about unless it is patend and copyrighted its nothing but verbal/writen words that arent fully protect we just as a community do our best to respect the words as if they were. jahpan is harmless not causing issues...so no drama unless it really does become an issue where she is trying to prevent others from making seaponies or harassing them. 
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I am totally fine if people design seaponies and all that stuff but what I mean is that Seafins are no original species.
And comparing chocolate with ponies doesn't really work.. ^^'
If she started trouble it would be worse so I am glad she doesn't.
Don't get me wrong, the group is pretty, the designs are cute and all but they are simply no original species what she always claims. All she needs to do is either admit that Seafins are no original species or come up with traits to define her species.
I can't respect her species knowing that she didn't even come up with own species traits or something. She just took something, added a a necklace and said it's original.
I don't want to cause drama, I want to help Jahpan but she couldn't even take my critique and simply blocked me which shows me that she doesn't care.
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LunarEquinox Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2018  Hobbyist General Artist
I compared choclate and spagetti sauce to ponies but if you look i work at a dollar tree we sale off brand mlp ponies. They look like the real deal cutie marks and all but whats different is quality. Hasbro dont stop them even though its only a slight difference. Hasbro doesnt stop the fans for claiming all these ponies we make using their designs. Yes the seafins are simple and not much to them but when i see them i dont see normal seaponies. I see a chibi body kinda cubby has different fin types and the charm while yes just an accessory is more like a cutiemark for them. While not much and yes a bit lazy and now overly priced they are just slightly unquie. I dont see many chibi seaponies. They are more rounded than your typical seapony. What she is doing is no different from a company making an off brand version of an already made idea. Its not illegal technically as long as there are sudden difference. She probably felt attacked when you tried to critque and help her. I know i would. Some people can’t handle being judged. Her spieces is doing no harm there is no sense in starting a childish fued just people its to similar and she wont take advice. They are still young in design it may evolve over time with new traits like other cs has. Also tagging all of us who owns one and dragging us into this isnt right either. The person tagged the whole master list and dragged us to this journal. Thats gonna get a looot of hate. Hell i’ve been scammed many times but never call them out i deal with it quietly or with friends who keep it quiet as well and its slowly paying out. What you are doing with this journal will merely give jahpan a bad rep along with the seafins and have people harass her. Its not the way to go about things...and not how you get someone to listen specially if they already dont want to listen. Stuff like this has literally made people deactivate and even leave the fandom... just leave things be she isnt hurting anyone by doing it so it shouldnt matter.  
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
That’s what I thought too! Someone actually wants to create a Seapony like that lol

Thank you! I really do wish to clear this stuff out, so many people are actually supporting this species which I can’t understand. Thousands of other pony species that are waay more creative and original don’t get that much support and it makes me so upset!
Too bad that I am the only one who actually went to the owner of the Seafins to talk to them, but now they are ignoring me... ._.
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Beginneratart Featured By Owner Oct 1, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
XD 

No problem. Well, it's their own fault. Those who don't listen to advice are those who don't learn. 
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It still makes me angry though. It's not fair.
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Beginneratart Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
True.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Literally could do the same.
Adding a background story is not a trait.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It really is hard. So I suggest to not make one in the first place. 
Just because you wanna have your own species gives you not the right to simply copy
and already exsiting species and to call it a "closed species" even is just plain rude.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Good luck with creating your new species! I can't wait to see what you come up with! ^u^
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Schneebaum Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Dieses unverschämte Balg
Dieser Sack voller Scheiße
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
Dude, deine Wortwahl xD
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Schneebaum Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ich bin guht mit Worten
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It appears that some might realize that the species has no special traits to make them unique after a certain time.
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
It got waay out of control and I can't stand that someone is making money with something which already exists. They're stealing an idea and claim it to be their own. 
It's unbelievable how many people actually think Seafins are an unique species. It makes me sick! 
I wish people would share this journal and spread the word.
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Vesiaura Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017
True! The first time I was invited to the species, I was like.. isn't this just a merpony..? And I see how they were trying to make it unique with the little tail thing but really? thats the best they could do? they should at least have some big big thing that you can for sure tell the difference from. It's really pathetic how they made a species.


Almost makes me want to make a "seafin" and claim in not as a seafin >: )
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
I know right?? It just makes no sense.
And a closed species even! You have to PAY for one too???

Hahahaha please make one! That would be so funny xD No one can blame you! When you say it's a Seapony no one can do anything about it! >:3
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Vesiaura Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2017
I just might oml
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Blumydia Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
You've got my full support on this. xD
If someone comes to sue you I'll be there to fight~
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Vesiaura Featured By Owner Sep 25, 2017
I'll make one mwahah
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