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Many Christians wonder how anyone could doubt the existence of God, but it turns out it's right in the bible.  If you read between the lines, it tells you there's no God…

1)  The bible claims that God sacrificed Jesus for our sins. (John 3:16, Romans 3:25, Ephesians 5:2, Hebrews 9:26)  (This is ignoring Deuteronomy 24:16 and Ezekiel 18:20, which state that everyone is to be responsible for their own transgressions without anyone else dying for their sins, thus undermining the primary basis of Christianity.)

2)  Since Jesus is God (2 Peter 1:1, John 10:30-33, and other verses), premise 1 means that God sacrificed himself.

3)  A sacrifice involves the destruction of the entire being, including the spirit.  This seems intuitively obvious especially for a self-sacrifice, since it's not much of a sacrifice if the martyr is guaranteed an eternity in heaven.  The bible never directly specifies what constitutes a "sacrifice," but it seems to support this intuition.

a)  In the entire bible, only humans are said to have been given immortal souls. (Ecclesiastes 3:11, 12:7, and other verses)

b)  The bible allows animal sacrifice (several passages in Leviticus 1), but it condemns human sacrifice in the same breath as witchcraft, sorcery, fortune telling, and other forms of magic.  (Deuteronomy 18:10-11)

c)  Of all the things the bible forbids, why lump human sacrifice together with magic?  It would require some type of occult power to sacrifice the additional element of the soul.

Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.
(Matthew 10:28)

Therefore, the bible implicitly defines sacrifice as the destruction of the whole being, including the spirit.

4)  From the above premises, God must have died with no afterlife.

Therefore, according to the bible, God doesn't exist.

When you think about it, this explains so much.  Within the scope of the bible, it tells us why Jesus 2.0 fell somewhat short of godlike omniscience, actually having to ask why anyone would doubt that he's the same person who was just brutally murdered.  (Luke 24:38)  It explains why, aside from the occasional disembodied voice that only believers could hear for some reason, God never appeared or acted after the sacrifice.  In Acts of the Apostles 1-14, angels always acted in God's place.  Is it really more plausible that God still existed, but he was always busy?  He had a little too much on his plate, so he had to delegate?

It also explains some current observations, like the fact that Jesus has never returned as predicted.  It tells why God is credited with all those spectacular, unmistakable miracles in biblical times but has no noticeable effect today.  It even gives us an explanation for ghost sightings: there's nobody to admit them into heaven.

I wish I could say I figured it all out first, but I think Nietzsche beat me to it.  Still, at least I can do my part by spreading the good word.  In fact, since the bible is already famous for being revised and edited throughout history, I'll go ahead and add a new chapter to the bible.  Don't worry, it's only three verses:

:bulletred: There's probably no God. (Dawkins 1:1)
:bulletred: But if there is a higher power worth worshiping, he/she/it/they wouldn't want you to squander your life on fairy tales that don't even have happy endings. (Dawkins 1:2)
:bulletred: So stop reading this and enjoy your life. (Dawkins 1:3)
If Christians can get away with their creative interpretations of the bible, I can do this. Donít worry if my claims donít make sense to you Ė in a religion whose deity sacrifices himself to himself to appease himself, making sense isnít a high priority anyway.
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tsadeviant Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2019
- The Bible is plain that non-believers spend eternity in hell. They aren't destroyed. 

Revelation 20:10- "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever."

Revelation 21:8-But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

-God became a man to take the penalty for sin, so humans wouldn't have to. The Bible says "the wages of sin is death" meaning the result of sin is death, hence the term "born-again". Jesus descended into hell afterwards to collect those who died believing in a coming Messiah.
The Bible doesn't say a sacrifice means destruction of the entire being. That would negate an immortal soul.

-Animals do appear to have souls. The original hebrew version of Genesis implies animals have souls although they aren't identical to humans as humans are made in the image of God. Genesis says both humans and animals were given the "breath of life" - רוח (Ruach), meaning wind, breath or spirit - it's also translated as soul. The greek counterpart is πνεῦμα (pneuma). This is where get words like pneumonia.

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TanyaSkunkTailsVA Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
He rose again
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Tazunee Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Hello,
so, by chance, I say by chance, but perhaps it is not by chance that I have stumbled across your writing and I must say that what I have said has attracted my attention.

I am sincere when I say that I did not go to check if the verses you mentioned in your speech are corresponding,
as I tell you that I do not remember them by heart,
but the point of the question is not this
in fact it is:
I agree with your thinking when you say there is a lot of confusion
in what men should represent and give certainty, but this only confuses humanity.

In fact, this is what I also think, that is, there is a deliberate plan, appropriately designed to create and keep confusion, but not only!
there is an abuse that has lasted for millennia, which deliberately exploits the feelings of the human soul, exploits the weaknesses of people and the faith that people send in this god who is first presented as an exterminator
thirsty for blood, and money, jealous and vindictive towards his own believers who are his creatures, in short, a tyrant to be terrified of.

Then, in a second time (in the New Testament) in the coming of Jesus,
he is expressed as a god of love and mercy, who before (in the old testament)  forbade the sick and crippled to enter the Tent or the temple, to worship him,

but then, he himself touches the lepers, heals the lame,
talk to sinners, and even allow women to speak! and sit at the table with him!
And finally, he accuses the priests of having made the temple a cave of thieves!

There really is to go in confusion!

because many people who for years have been raised with laws that are said to have been dictated by God, (which I do not believe)
and then they are seen to arrive to one who by the prophecy is the son of God
but they mistake him for an heir to the King David house,
and while they think that he will make them victorious in the kingdom of God
so they think they will become powerful
instead he preaches to turn the other cheek, and gives forgiveness to everyone,
and he says that he is the new law and that the law of Moses is no longer valid
and you do not have to follow anymore

it's normal that you go in confusion!

Then, returning for a moment to the old testament, in the ten commandments that is said that God gave to Moses,
one of them says: do not kill!

But! how come then these to conquer a city they start to murder everyone, including the newborns!
Why did they stone women, only because of suspicion!
Why do newborns kill if they're female !?
Is there something wrong with these murders, where were they written that could be done?

Perhaps the tables were small and there was no writing and then these things have added to memory, as the small clauses in the documents that represent the rip-off when you realize it late ...

But I still have to ask myself:
How can a righteous god, who with love, create his creatures, command, to men to kill his creatures?

I just do not understand this ...

However I am going very far, what I would like to say is that in reality I believe in God, a Creator God, who as such loves his creatures
what I do not believe is what some men wrote about him, turning this in their favor, but making it clear that it was for God that this was done.
Same thing that happens now, that is someone makes profits using the name of Jesus, asserting that it acts in its name, this I find it a horrible blasphemy.

What I believe is that every person should rely on his own intelligence as regards finding the truth, and act according to his own conscience, when he does his own actions towards himself and towards his neighbor
so we would all be fine and in the world we would live better with a lot of harmony.

Bye! :)
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Brain-Dancer Featured By Owner Edited Feb 22, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Seeking truth will answer many questions.  Seeking affirmation for a conviction you already hold will just get you confused.

I never wondered how mankind could doubt the existence of God, especially in our hedonistic society.  It makes logical sense to negate the concept of an absolute authority if you only want to answer to yourself.  That is also why religion fails.  It is a replacement for God by usurping the name of God.
 
What you have here is a lot of suppositions that fail not only literary scrutiny but logic as well.  You have taken excerpts and asserted false premises.  Something my logic professor said was a no-no.

This is a common error when people are challenging the validity of the existence of God.  It is like someone saying that you don't exist and to prove it, they change the address of your house or edit your social security number.  Your family and friends insist that you are real but others point out the contradictions in your information and assume that you are a fictitious character.  Even as you arrive, they insist that your information doesn't match their facts, no matter what you or anyone else says.

Don't laugh, it has happened.

People are opinionated and self-appeasing.  Threatened by the concept of a higher being's existence, because we trust in our own limited intellect, we flail against concepts such as faith not realizing it takes more faith to trust in Dawkins and others that think their concepts are the one true 'god'.  That men, such as we, who don't even understand the simplest mechanisms of life, state that we are the highest form there is.

Evolution is still an unproven theory no matter how you look at it.

Christianity is filled with flawed people for sure and I'm one of them.  Being a believer and a studier of the Bible has improved my life.  Before I wouldn't have hesitated to beat or rob you.  I was bitter and angry and for what society would call, good reasons.

People ruin other peoples lives because they seek to dictate and hold sway over others.  Ultimately we ruin ourselves when we trust the words of men and don't test to see if they are the truth.

The Bible says for us to question, seek, judge, not people but circumstances and pretenses.

Still, the ones who say there is no god, are also implying that they know this to be true.... how?

Such can only be called... arrogance. Indeed I'm Arrogant... 
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Asaroe Featured By Owner Nov 26, 2017
God doesn't exist. Never has. The bible was written by dumb people and is sprinkled with translation errors that sometimes destroyed people's lives. End of story.
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Brain-Dancer Featured By Owner Feb 22, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
Yep for you... end of story.

No doubt.
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Asaroe Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2018
Look, I don't doubt that there is an entity higher than everything that lives on earth. Call it god, call it aliens. But the old man in the sky who looks down judgingly doesn't exist, and even if he does, if he wrote the fucking bible, he can go screw himself.
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Brain-Dancer Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
A bit arrogant are we?

You write as though you're angry about something and you're focusing it on your perception of God.

The Bible never depicts God as some old man, woman or human at all, in the sky or any place we could identify.  

This misnomer was contrived in folklore and pagan mythology.

Most people with a grudge never have read the Bible thoroughly, but go off of hearsay rather than look for truth.

That way they feel justified in their rantings and in ignorance curse celestial beings that are greater than themselves.

In our society overall, however, people are taught to be cynical, manipulative, coarse and yes, prideful. 

We live with myopic viewpoints and pretend indifference to those who would batter down the weak walls of ur conceited castles.

It's your prerogative to believe what you will because it's part of Free Will.

But to lambast the beliefs of others is not cool.

Many people find solace, hope, and joy in their beliefs, doing good actually for those around them. 

You would lump them in with the tyrannical, debaucherous and arrogant that sees belief as a tool to control and manipulate others.

A good rule of thumb is live and let live.  Share if asked, make a decision, keep questioning and looking.
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Asaroe Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2018
See, that's my problem with most Christians. They justify their actions with the fucking bible. I don't care if you believe in god, but if you truly want to do everything the bible says, and push it on others, just because of some god, then you have a problem.
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Brain-Dancer Featured By Owner Feb 23, 2018  Hobbyist Writer
What you're saying is take away the foundation because I have no problem with the building.

I don't know why you have an issue with the Bible, but it seems a bit extreme.

Again, your choice to read or not read.

Likewise, your choice to listen or don't listen.

Someone pushes, what's wrong with walking away?
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KatieJackson138 Featured By Owner Jul 12, 2017  Hobbyist General Artist
This also could be very bad continuity errors in the bible itself. Not saying you're wrong or anything, but no one is perfect, including the people who wrote the bible anyway.
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I think that your interpretation is wrong however I do respect it.  There are many people that call themselves a Christian and it actually makes people that follow the path look stupid.  I apologize for that.
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DynamicSynthesism Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
First let me say that I'm not particularly religious, and that I don't even believe that the Bible is the literal word of god. But I'm sorry, but I have to say that your logic is still very deeply flawed. Looking at your argument premise by premise:

1) your assertion that there is a contradiction here isn't sound. I believe it's quite obvious that the references which state that everyone is to be responsible for their own transgressions are talking expressly about humans... not God or gods or rabbits or clumps of dirt, etc. Thus, the later reference that Jesus (i.e. God) died for our sins has no logical bearing on that verse, or vice versa.
2) This is arguably accurate
3) This is TOTALLY, COMPLETELY and UTTERLY FALSE. A sacrifice can be anything. If I give a woman my seat on the bus, that's a sacrifice that I made for her comfort. It certainly doesn't need to involve me dying (unless her jealous husband decides to shoot me) let alone the obliteration of my soul. Yes, some types of sacrifices can involve death--but there isn't any suggestion anywhere (in or out of the bible) that this is the only meaning of the word. That has never been the case. Not in the past and not now. 
   Jesus' sacrifice on the cross had nothing to do with dying. The human form of Jesus's body would have died eventually anyway--just as all human bodies do. His sacrifice had to do with the pain of taking the sins of the world upon himself--as I believe is made amply clear in numerous passages. God is said to be completely pure and free of sin. Being in the presence of sin causes him mental discomfort. So taking on the sins of everyone--so that they could be forgiven was his sacrifice. Not death and certainly not the obliteration of his soul.
   (3a) and (3b) are logically inert statements that do not work with (3c) to create a logical conclusion. And the quote of Mathew has virtually nothing at all to do with any of three sub-premises. As I understand it, the verse is simply saying, don't fear men, fear the devil. Or perhaps, more literally, fear the kind of evil that can get you sent to hell. The bible does not explicitly or implicitly or in any other way define [sacrifice] as the destruction of the whole being, including the soul. It uses the word sacrifice (in some places) in one of the senses that can mean death. And it may also create a similar analogous reference to the soul. I think you would be hard pressed to argue convincingly that these references are intended to be taken literally. But in any case, the way such a reference is used in one (or even many) places in the bible does NOT define how the word MUST be interpreted in every place in the bible. That would be like saying that because I refer to the word [store] in such a way that it is obviously a big building where people sell things... that when I say [I store up knowledge] that I must mean that I buy knowledge from some big building.
   Your conclusion is no less absurd. 
   Moreover, given that your premises and conclusion are ridiculous, your statements about these flawed conclusions are also absurd. Even if your conclusion were sound, it would not really explain some of the things you say it explains--because, quite frankly there isn't anything to explain. When Jesus asks a question, it isn't an indication that he lacks knowledge. Have you never heard of a rhetorical question? He is asking his question to make the person he is asking think. Not to express ignorance.
   Your argument about God never 'acting' after Jesus dies on the cross is actually rather interesting--and probably your cleverest point, by far. However, it is also deeply flawed. There is a clear pattern in the bible, from the Old Testament to the New--Where God becomes increasingly less and less involved in peoples lives. Even in the Old Testament, people typically didn't see God, they saw his (figurative?) finger, or a burning bush or an angel, or they heard his voice, etc. By the New testament, God never is seen. Angels come to visit Mary--not God. And, as you yourself note, these angels continue to visit people after Jesus dies--so there really isn't ANY discernible difference which is delineated by the death of Jesus. What we see shortly after his death is exactly the same as what we saw shortly before his death.
   Your argument that Jesus hasn't returned is also very weak. Just because I say at 9 AM that I'll return later today and I haven't returned by 2 PM doesn't mean that I'm not going to return. And the fact that someone who IS going to return hasn't returned yet is no argument at all--and requires no explanation.
   Your comments about God no longer doing spectacular things has a certain measure of truth. As mentioned above, in the Old Testiment God is  credited with doing some pretty spectacular things. But (other than Jesus) by the New Testament, most of the flashier miracles (and Godly actions) have long since disappeared. No more floods. No more parting of seas. Few if any healings. And so on. Another point can be made. The bible's miracles, such as they are, happen over hundreds of years. Today, you claim that miracles DON'T happen... but I would have to ask what evidence you base this on. Many Christians will tell you that they've seen God perform miracles in their lives. There are also (rarely believed) accounts of more miraculous things that happen from time to time--such as the statues of Mary that bleed at the eyes. Or the (fairly well documented case) of the whole town that became impervious to injuries. According to the accounts of many reputable witnesses, these people could have their bodies beaten with a sledgehammer and suffer no damage. Then there are the many miraculous phenomena which are now typically associated with the occult. And so forth and so on. You may not have first had knowledge of these various miracles, but I don't think you can accurately say that you KNOW that miracles don't happen either. That's simply an assumption from your extremely limited perspective.
   Your comments on ghost sightings is also clever and humorous... but I don't think it really needs to be rebutted, given all I've already said.

   Having said all this, let me acknowledge that you are correct about the various books of the bible having been redacted throughout history. Moreover, these books were clearly written by various men with very different objectives--some of which distinctly clash with the views of other authors. These facts make your attempts to reduce these various points to premise points in a logical argument even more pointless--since what one book says may have absolutely no logical bearing on anything that is said in another book.
   Given this, you would have far greater success arguing that the Bible is not "word-for-word" the word of God. I think there is an overwhelming abundance of biblical evidence for this conclusion--although I won't go into the actual making of those arguments. The bible does, on many occasions, contradict itself. And there are numerous other anomalous problems with assuming it is the exact words of God--even if you allow that those words are being filtered through the hearts and minds of men. Unless you acknowledge that this means, those men's personal opinions tainted and changed those words, making them less than entirely reliable.
   This, however, does nothing to invalidate the possibility that the Bible may have been INSPIRED by God; or the possibility that it may very well have a great deal of value with respect to informing and guiding the lives of men.
   Personally, I don't think any conclusive evidence can be provided one way or the other.
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kenna20 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2017  Student Writer
Hah i enjoyed this xD 

The bible do seem to counter itself quite alot.
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Starluscious Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2017   General Artist
Circular logic you've instilled with a pinch of sarcastic bitter retorts and mocking scoffing. And you think God will applaud you in heaven for putting down His Word, and His creation?
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CeaciliaSolo Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
God exists in full. You can look outside at the clouds and see that there's a God.
Jesus was apart of the trinity, he sacrificed himself. God didn't sacrifice Jesus. Jesus laid himself down. 
I don't know where you guys get this stuff, but if we are evolved from monkeys, and cells, who created the cell and the monkey. 
Instead of putting so much time into proving that God isn't existant, look and try to see why he is real.
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Philhellenike Featured By Owner May 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I fully support hilarious interpretations of the Bible for the purposes of pointing out how little many people actually know about the Bible. 
However, you're wrong. Also the last bit of your description is wrong.  
They say half of storytelling is prepositions, and the Bible may just be the world's best example of that. You see, a lot of theological idiocy has resulted from the misinterpretation of a single three-letter Greek word: γαρ. It means "for". Paul says "Jesus died for our sins". But this could mean one of several things. It could mean "Jesus died in order to appease God because we had sinned", which as you pointed out doesn't make a whole lot of sense if Jesus is God. This isn't actually what most Christians believe though, but it's what most people assume this phrase means when they see it.  It could also mean "Jesus was offered to <insert personification of evil here> instead of us" which is actually the traditional interpretation (called substitutionary salvation). This is what you often see depicted in Renaissance art for example. Or it could mean "Jesus died because of our sins" i.e. because we are bad people a person who was beautiful and pure and innocent was killed. This is the interpretation that most progressive protestants (such as myself) favor. Since we don't believe in Hell and the idea of eternal punishment for the wicked (which, as you might have noticed, is not actually in the Bible). 
The whole point of this book is to record the deeds of God. The Bible neither proves the existence of God, nor defines just what God is: which would be the necessary first step for proving God's existence (or nonexistence). It exists to inspire it's readers to get to know God. Unfortunately few people can be bothered.  Certainly however the Bible does not suggest that God doesn't exist, even indirectly. The Bible is a collection of texts from many different time periods written by people with contradictory goals and motivations, which hasn't even featured the same set of texts for most of it's history. It has a few inconsistencies, though fewer than you'd think given this strange backstory. 
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AnOddRose Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2018  Student Traditional Artist
You don't believe in Hell?
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DynamicSynthesism Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
Nice logical presentation. Focusing on just the various possible meanings of the single word 'for' demonstrates just how lacking in logical integrity the original arguments were.
Well played.
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pierro-studio Featured By Owner May 11, 2016  Student Writer
That part where sacrificing destroys the soul and everything is utter nonsense. It is simply forbidden because God doesn't want people to be killed for him ("you shall not kill", I don't have the exact verses, but it's in the 10 commandments).

The ones that destroys the body and the soul are the sins. That's it.

So now that 3rd point is in the trash, everything is indeed right, but the point is not made.
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Mrs-KoolAiD Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Have any of you paused to think that, according to the Bible, God kills entire civilizations, while Satan only directly kills about 10 people?
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"5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord."

Yeah, I stopped to think about it. He flooded the earth because every thought in the minds of men at that time was of evil, murder, rape, pedophilia, animal cruelty, torture and the worst of things. Not to mention the cause of all that evil in Genesis 1-4. Noah and his family were deemed to be righteous at the time.
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Philhellenike Featured By Owner May 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That's because in the Bible, Satan isn't evil. The equation of Satan with ultimate evil happened much later: in the Medieval Church. Most Protestants refer to ultimate evil by other names such as "the devil" "Death" "Mamon" "Baphomet" "Beelzebub (and variations thereof)" or just "Evil".  Only a vocal few continue to wrongly use the name "Satan" for the Big Bad. In fact not only is Satan not the Big Bad in the Bible, there is not actually a Big Bad in the Bible. Except for the mysterious Antichrist of Revelations (who is never explicitly stated to be Satan).  In the Bible Satan's job is to test the faith of people, so he's not exactly popular but he isn't the Big Bad. Many Christians don't even believe in an ultimate evil. 
God doesn't kill entire civilizations: God kills two cities, and the firstborn children of Egypt. God does do a lot of killing in the early parts of the Old Testament, but he doesn't commit genocide. 
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Mrs-KoolAiD Featured By Owner May 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
According to the Bible, your God flooded the entire Earth and only deemed a couple people and some animals worthy of being saved, and forgive me but to me the "God" of the Bible doesn't seem so benevolent.
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Philhellenike Featured By Owner May 18, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Nor am I arguing that God is always benevolent. I was attempting to explain something, and clear up a common misconception about what is in the Bible.  
I do not believe that God is always kind, in fact I know God is not always kind. I do believe that God is always just i.e. that God always does what is best for the world as a whole and in the long term. 
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PoppyCorn99 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Yeah. Sorry, some of these verses were totally taken out of context in order to suit the purpose of the argument, and the argument itself is also very shallow.

Also, I apologize on behalf of Christians below who have threatened you with hell. They are wrong.
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On the third day he rose again , did you not read it 😠😠😠😠😠 he even had revealed himself to his disciples and proved it several times you Christian hater !!!!! That's highly offensive you know , if you don't believe then have fun burning in hell when you die !!!!!! Also I have found much proof God exists and still does he's protected me more than once : like just now I swallowed my water the wrong way and I couldn't cough I ABOUT DIED but once I managed to say " God help me " I was able to cough again . Another time not too long ago , I had gone insane ; no joke, the only words I could say between all the " bubbbubadabuba" were , pony , table, mom(this one was difficult). I couldn't speak , my mind was clear but I had to talk and be able to hold something close to me . I started reciting the verses on my wall (yes even the I could read but it was extremely hard ) and once I could talk close to normal I started praying and after this I'm perfectly normal . Lol I actually thought I was dying , I even wrote my death wills in a messy jumbled letter to my friends and family . He has done miracles for my grandfather , (who has had so many surgeries and problems with his heart I'm surprised he's still alive ) and my grandmother is still more active than me and my brothers put together !!!!! Also take a look at yourself and think -
You're made of atoms and molecules how on earth are you not a rotting blob of stinking body parts because of how many times you've been punched . If God didn't exist then why is there still good in our idiotic world why does everyone forgegt that the USA was based on Him,if He wasn't real then why aren't we in world war 10 by now ????? Answer me that ??? I dare you , if you believe in evolution give me a good explanation why the cycle isn't still happening now , give me a scientifically proven explanation for this and send me a link to prove all of it is real , and if you can't do that then I will give you a Biblical explanation . Btw I'm a science nerd so I know a lot 😠😠😠😠
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Endermen-DrawingCrew Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2016  Student Artist
4th sentence: But Atheists don't believe in Hell ;3
15th sentence: This is inaccurate, America wasn't "based off" of God entirely.
16th sentence: Evolution is always happening, it just doesn't go very fast. Learning new things even counts as evolution. As long as you're reacting to things, which you are every millisecond, you're evolving. Plus, there's scientific proof that life didn't start with Humans, so Deity's such as the Christian God should be the same thing.
18th sentence: Just because you're a "science nerd" doesn't mean you "know a lot." Some of the world's greatest minds didn't even enjoy science, such as Albert Einstein and Sir Isaac Newton.

Also, regarding this, I'm not a "Christian Hater", I'm just a Bisexual Atheist who admits he doesn't know anything and tries to find a scientific explanation for everything. And I'm well aware I didn't write this, I'm just filling in for the creator because he doesn't reply to anything.
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DarkVikingMistress Featured By Owner Edited Feb 3, 2016  Student Writer
Well...either way God does sound really inconsistent and like different characters in different parts of the bible. The bible as a whole doesn't read consistenly. There are many continuity errors and also mathematical and scientific errors, too! In the Old Testament God has a much more hard authoritarian character but when the times changed in the New Testament suddenly he becomes "loving and forgiving". A lot of more fundamentalist Christians like to push the idea that God and religion never changes; however the very fact that the societal context heavily influenced the translations of the bible already disproves this, and also there are many more "old world" type lessons in the old testament compared to the new.

The reason I don't believe in god is fairly simple; I won't take stories and ideology and religious groups as evidence of a God. The only way I'd ever believe in God is if he was proven with empirical evidence. Even then, I wouldn't join the following in the 0.0000001% chance it's out there.
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Starluscious Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016   General Artist
It is written "The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."


It is written again "The wicked are too proud to seek God. They seem to think that God is dead."

It is written again "They make shrewd plans against Your people, And conspire together against Your treasured ones."
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
"Yo Jim! What if people don't believe in our cult?"

"That's easy Bill. We simply say that they really do and that they are really just evil meanies."

"Excellent! People willbe dumb enough to follow this."

Years later

"I do not believe in god."

Of course you don't. My infallible book that would never lie to me and has a talking snake told me people would not believe this shit. Therefore it is true"
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Starluscious Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016   General Artist
Hallelujah to the Lamb of God. Peace and good will be onto all men. Amen
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CutestSith Featured By Owner Apr 30, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Praise to be to Haruhi! 
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The one true goddess of mankind and her one and only prophet Madoka. 

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Woe to those who disrespect the goddess and her prophet for you will be sent to weeb hell ruled by Homucifer. 

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There you will be forced to watch endless marathons of Boko no Pico. To be sent to weeb hell you violate one of these following rules.

Thou shall not call another's waifu shit. 

Thou shall not speaketh of the hentai club. 

Thou shall not be a pleb.

Thou shall not desecrate the holy lolis.

Thou shall remember the sabbath for it is time for fapping on that day.

Thou shall not shit post about the dub. 

Thou shall not shitpost about your OTP. 

Death to those who not follow these rules and insult the prophet. 

MADOKA ACKBAR!

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Warrior-of-Faith Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Lets not forget this has also been submitted to "ClubSatan"

...he is the father of lies and the most subtle creature in the garden! These same tactics of twisting the truth didnt work on Jesus nor should anyone with clear thought allow this post to deceive them! The Lord allows us a choice, but there is only one way to heaven and thats through Jesus. As explained so many times in the bible, Jesus is our mediator and only way to the Father. (One God and one mediator) If the OP missed that, he chose to!
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Paulthored Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Logically, you failed. You don't stop existing when you die. Why would the LORD?!?
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Great work getting your point across without being aggressive or demeaning, more people should try that(myself included):)
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Jakeukalane Featured By Owner Edited Dec 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
funny! but something that don't exist can't sacrifice itself because it didn't exist in first place.
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bubbybubbles12 Featured By Owner Mar 5, 2016   General Artist
Well stated.
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VikingFox Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Glad to see more of these things online, good on 'ya!

Also to add to #3, a sacrifice is meaningless if the 'sacrificed' is supposedly resurrected lol that's like donating a dollar, then taking the dollar and walking away. 

Amazing what people believe, no? Excellent share!
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There is a lot wrong with this, and I mean a LOT! First of all, that verse about human sacrifice, as you put it, doesn't sound like sacrifice. It sounds more like for one to be weary about someone that will try to destroy one's faith. Reread that verse, if it was talking about human sacrifice then why say that both body and spirit are destroyed in Hell? The one's to be weary are the demons.

Also, Jesus's human form was the one that died, NOT his spirit. And the main part about this sacrifice of his was just his death, but the pain he went through. He wore a crown of thorns, was crucified, beaten, whipped, and just totally degraded. Even with all that, the crucifying did not kill him immediately, he was up there for a few days, unable to sleep otherwise he would start suffocating, forcing him to stay awake through the pain twenty-four seven, through the hot days of a desert, that is not a worthy sacrifice? Then holy crap, what more do you want!?

Over all, your 'facts' have been wrong, and the bible has actually been compared to actual historical documents, and guess what? It matches all the documents there. So saying the bible or God is false is like trying to say the same about George Washington or Ghandi.
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DynamicSynthesism Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
Personally, I don't believe the physical pains that you describe were a significantly large part of Jesus's 'sacrifice'. As a deity, I would think that he could block out those things quite easily if he wanted to... and Jesus isn't the only 'human' to have suffered horrible torments, of this nature--or even worse. I believe the true sacrifice was the taking on of all the world's sins. As a perfectly pure being, such evil is incongruous with God's nature. And being forced to co-exist with it was mentally disturbing, you might say. It was the mental anguish of accepting all of those sins to himself that was the real sacrifice--exponentially greater that the mere pains of his physical body--which he could easily have controlled if he wished to, since surely Jesus/God could easily have stopped the electrons from firing to his pain receptors.

That's my thoughts, anyway.
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
Probably, I am not the best at this stuff, I admit, so that's probably what it is.
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DynamicSynthesism Featured By Owner May 24, 2017
Well, I don't believe there's any definitive word, either way. It's just my opinion, because if it were just the pain, it wouldn't seem like any more of a sacrifice than what many humans who have been torture over the centuries have endured. And that seems to diminish the nature of it, somewhat , to me.
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner May 25, 2017
True, true.
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
Religion has made people do horrible things across the board, horrible things that are always justified by logic in one really old book or another. I'd like to think that humanity can learn from it's mistakes and instead of fighting about thing that don't matter to us as long as we live, we can dig a little deeper into whatever holy book you believe in and take the principles and ideas instead of literally believing every word. I'd like to trust the judgment of those who live today rather than listen and fight for those who lived thousands or hundreds of years ego, and make my decisions according to my own belief of what's right and what's wrong, and remember that even though we forget it all every once in a while, most religions active today praise those who believed in accepting those who believe in things you disagree with. When you claim to be right and that others are wrong, don't become a representative of your whole religion, stay yourself. Because you cannot have a conversation with a religion, but a person, you can talk to:)
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
First of all, that depends on both the religion and the times. When the Christian church went and attacked the muslim villages during the crusade, it wasn't because the bible told them to, it was because the muslims came in and conquered their territory, so they went and took it back, which was very common for that time. Nothing was new or different, except for the fact that the Christian church did it. Also, I do agree with you, surprisingly, actually, about how to make your own principles. I do not take all my principles from the bible, like how I'm not supposed to take the lords name in vain but I swear worse than a sailor on days that I just get mad, and I don't feel guilty over it. 

Also, the old testament (At least some of it, I'm not too sure myself on when it ended) was written like a poem due to the fact that, when it was being made, no one came up with the idea of putting ink on paper, so I do not believe God made the Earth in seven days, I do believe it took longer than that, but as to how long, I do not honestly care myself since that really doesn't change much. Anyways, the point I'm making is, at least for the old testament since the new testament is more like a bibliography of Jesus's and his disciples lifes, don't take it at face value, look more into, and if what you come up with is different than what others think, then you can talk with them about why you believe what you believe and see why they believe what they believe, it's honestly quite interesting to see that ^^

So, when that happens, you can have a conversation with other people about religion, kinda like what we're doing now, but I do see your point here. It's kinda hard to have a conversation to know exactly what it means, but usually the general message is clear... usually. Some people take it way too literally at times, or just don't understand it, which is understandable with a book that old written like a poem. Anyways, I'm not sure if trying to represent the whole religion was directed towards me (I honestly don't even remember what I wrote on here since it was so long ago, and I'm too tired right now to do so), but again, that is something I agree with. When I try to defend my religion, I defend what I think is right, even if most Christians don't agree with me. For example, I used to believe that evolution happened alongside God and Jesus since I am a man of science and facts. I don't anymore, but that's because I've done my own research into it, and personally I don't believe it anymore, but I don't think badly of those that do. It's understandable with all the science and research people put into it.

To keep myself from ranting on, since I like to hear myself talk, I defend my view points. I learn what I should think from talking to people of all religions and beliefs, what is right? What isn't right? Why is it right? So on and so forth. Also, I am SO happy you are not one of those people who reply being super angry, I have two middle schoolers sending me notes trying to bash on my religion, and it is a breath of fresh air to see that smiley face at the end of your comment :)
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IndieJacket Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
I really appreciate the respect you've shown writing back so elegantly and being understanding, I like to think that the end is what people remember the most a lot of times so I try to keep the start respectful, the middle honest(and rambly), and the end cheerful:). Glad to see it's a good way to make conversation.
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FelgrandKnight34 Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
You have no idea :D I am honestly excited to talk with you, and I do hope that I stay respectful throughout this, if I don't please let me know. So, what else will you like to talk about? :meow:
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Teensycreate2 Featured By Owner Edited Nov 22, 2015  Student General Artist
It cut off your sentence.
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