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Porn is Art

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Mature  |  Published: August 22, 2012
In keeping in line with my fundamental view of art being that
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Art has no definition.

I see many stamps around this site saying PORN IS NOT ART!!!!! PICTURES OF YOUR BREAST IS NOT ART!!!!! PICTURES OF YOUR BUTT IS NOT ART!!!

So I figured I would challenge some of these arrogant people that believe because it is not their personal style, or taste that that in of itself makes it not art… I will never get it but... here goes. As always, these words only speak for myself.. not anyone else

Who says? Be it a nude picture of a nicely done porn film I find the idea of someone else dictating what is or what is not art simply because it does not fit their personal sensitivities to be quite stupid.

Sure, from my perspective, porn is art, a picture of your breast can be very artistic, as it a nicely angled back shot.. you can take a picture of a rock and it can be art, a picture of an empty can… but when stills are now motion it is not art? … I see some pictures on here of nude couples that are engaging in what someone may say is sexual situations and seemingly full on sexual contact and for many who commented it is art.. yet put the same bodies, doing the same motions in movement and it becomes porn?

I am sure I may get a few whiners, HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT THIS IS ART BECAUSE IT VIOLATES MY SENSIBILITIES!!!! … who are you to say that it is not art?

For me, as the stamp suggests above of ART HAVING NO DEFINITION; Art is, by its very nature subjective… for some people they believe only something that they would accept as art is art and anything else is tasteless.

According to some of the arguments of the stamps I mentioned above about porn is not art, nudity is not art is that if it is anything more than intellectually stimulating then it cannot be art.

I personally do not take that view, I find nothing more pleasing or natural than the human form. I also know that not every considers a nude woman or a nude man to be art and if they do not like it, that is on them. I have seen many amazing drawings and photographs of nude bodies on this site and some were quite visually pleasing and sexually arousing… but does that make it not art because something as natural as nudity is considered bad by many people?

For many people they say anyone engaging in sex or a sexual act is not art… that automatically makes it porn hm.. google “porn art” you will see couples engaged in sexual art, usually black and white photos that I find to be quite artistic. On this site search “kitty porn” that is picture that a friend linked me to a few days ago that I found to be amazing.

There are many, such as me, who believe a brief moment of enjoyment, of two people sharing a passionate moment be it on film, or someone taking pictures at the right angle can be very artistic…as well as mentally and visually arousing…

Here is an image I found when googling:
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… that is a couple engaged in a sexual act, yet I find it very artistic.

I shall close this and saying as I said in the opening, Art has no definition, it is by its very nature subjective to interpretation. What is art to you may not be art to someone else, there are STILL people who do not believe photography is art and that art is only what you do with paint, pencils etc… For me, I enjoy all types of art, drawings, paintings, filming/cinematic art, photography, sculptures, digital art…. For me and a general definition of art, [OH NOES, YOU JUST SAID IT HAS NO DEFINITION, HYPOCRITE, EVIL FUCKER!!... :P] art can be whatever one uses to expires themselves in a creative way… I do not know what it is called exactly, but a few blocks away there are people who take old fences, old metal stripping etc and make great pieces of art with them…. Truly creative since I would never look at a fence and think.. if I removed the bars and bent them this way and that I could make a giant piece of art with it.


A few years ago I went to an art show where the focus of it was explicitly human sexuality, so most of the pictures depicted women performing oral on men, men performing oral on women… [as well as women on women and men on men… not for the squeamish], depicted couples having sex.. but was all done with cameras, yet in each corner of the room was a monitor which had couples engaging in adult fun… it was one of the best galleries I have been to.. since as stated, I find nothing more natural, or photographically stunning than the human body. There is nothing, for me, more mentally, intellectually or sexually arousing than to see the passion between two individuals in motion… which then touches back on my earlier point of the issue many have with it, does the fact that it can provoke sexual stimulation mean it is not art?.... who determines exactly what is and what is not art?

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There is a photo I found online, for many people they would say disgusting!!!!! For me, I find it quite beautiful… and to me, that is also art.

Question:
I let a friend [who is a lesbian] proofread this and she looked up at the picture above and asked me would I still think it is art if it were two men or two women… yes, for me it does not really matter, if you find a nude straight couple posing together to be artistic and beautiful yet a nude gay couple, or lesbian couple to be disgusting and morally wrong then you have only proven the point of it being subjective. I often joke that my Nikon is pansexual, in the past I have shot nude men, nude women, nude trans people, gay, straight and lesbian couples in sexual situations… and for me it is all about the angle, lighting, etc … so to each their own.

Here is snippets from a reply to comments below, to touch back on the, IF IT IS MEANT FOR AROUSAL OR SEXUAL PLEASING THEN IT IS NOT ART!!!!! here are a few things

This painting by Édouard-Henri Avril, Which depicts people engaged in sexual activity.
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Marquis de Sade drawing in his book Juliette upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

Das Liebespaar (The Lovers) by Peter Fendi
Which is a painting of two people engaged i in what seems to be the start of a sexual act.
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

1815 painting from Japan, which depicts a couple engaged in sex
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

Sunga Empire, dated 1 BCE, shows 1 man and two women engaged in a threesome
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…


510 BCE, Attica drinking cup
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…


Oil Lamp from Ancient Rome showing two males engaged in sex
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia…

Roman Mural which depicts a bisexual threesome
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In many Roman parts, Pederasty was normal, which is a grown man having sex with a boy, usually his slave...
Here is a drinking glass which shows such depiction
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My personal favorite is, ART IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE MEANING!!!
.. says who? Meaning of course is subjective, if the person produced the work for the sheer enjoyment then that was their purpose, you as the viewer, give it your own damn meaning. It is like a good book, read 100 times, by 100 different people and each taking something different from it.

One of my favorite erotic artists is Ken Marcus who mostly does fetishist and B.D.S.M. photography… but that is not for everyone, and that is okay.



^^You can skip everything up there and basically the next few lines sum it up.
Art is by its very nature subjective, it will be viewed a million times, by a million people and each will have their own opinion on it. Some will think it sucks, some will find some profound meaning, some will think it is amazing…and some will have no feeling. Your personal view on something does not make that one view the universal truth of a thing…

… okay that is all, waits to call the WHAMBULANCE on someone who thinks only what they believe is art is so.

As always my dear comrades,
Let knowledge be that truth, which portrays humanity, condemns malevolence; that respects the differences in others while abandoning the hatred and misconceptions of the past.
-Emanon
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Aeonofthelight's avatar
AeonofthelightHobbyist Traditional Artist
I AGREE WITH THIS!
Seriously, if art can evoke feelings like happines and sadness, why not sexual desire?
It's also stupid when someone drawns a character dying and people is okay with that but when it's a sex scene: NOOOO!! THAT'S GROSS I GET CANCER FROM THAT!
Also, sex gives pleasure! We need sex to reproduce! Stop with the Medieval Catholic Church Syndrome! We're NOT in the Middle Ages!
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
Agreed, sorry have been away for months so just seeing this

I see Deviant Art has flagged this stamp as "mature content" a stamp which shows no nudity at all is adult content..shakes head but yeah
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AeonofthelightHobbyist Traditional Artist
you are sorry :)
Maybe mature content because it's the content itself?
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
Yes, I am not surprised they flagged it, just that it has been uploaded since 2012.. so why wait until now to flag it? after 7 years
Aeonofthelight's avatar
AeonofthelightHobbyist Traditional Artist
Nah, Youtube put videos from 1,000 years ago on people recomendations, i'm not impressed.
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Artist: (draws a character getting killed)
Society: ok
Artist: (draws a character having sex)
Society: REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
Yup, I forget who said it or what but I have heard the ...  from a gay soldier saying you congratulate me for killing a man and condemn me for loving one or something to that effect


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Fully and completely agree
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CrescentNubila's avatar
Sex and nudity are natural. Nature isn't always pretty to look at. But then again, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. For example, some people love the sound of thunderstorms. They find them relaxing at nighttime. They say the storms help them sleep. They drive me insane at nighttime. I can't sleep because I don't like the noise.

Recently, I've stumbled across an Asian porn site. Curiosity got the better of me. I watched a few videos even though I was skeptical of it. I didn't get the appeal of it. I came back later to the same site and still didn't get the appeal. I found it bizarre and the girls looked very uncomfortable even though they agreed(?) to it.
(I'm no SJW, but the girls still looked uncomfortable to me.)

Long story short: No more porn sites for me. It's just not my cup of tea.

However, I'm not going to censor other people's hobbies. But, despite the pictures that you listed, I still found the child sex to be disturbing. The adults having sex were no issue to me. Consensual adult sex...have at it. 
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...and yet thunderstorms have always been rather hmm arousing to me. I know, too much information but  yeah.

I rarely watch those porn sites because.. many Asian porn sites tend to block out genitals  so eh I will stick to the American and European ones for now..



I agree, I was merely showing how on some of the most valued pieces of art sex is on display by using images from all around the world. But yes, the master and slave children sex was terrible  then and now, yet those pieces are displayed in museums all around the world for their craftsmanship than what is  being displayed
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Whatever floats your boat. *nods*

Well, the one I stumbled across only had about 5 censored videos. The rest were uncensored. Unless it was a mix of Asian and American/European videos on one site. But what do I know. (Interestingly, that Asian porn site that I found used to be a political campaign website. LOL) Another thing that I noticed about Asian porn is that I can't tell if they're underage or not. (13-17 years old). But then again, the age of consent is likely different in Japan than here in the US. I've even heard of some anime that sexualizes girls as young as 6 years old. I didn't notice any children on that website, but I don't want to get arrested for anything, even doing something accidentally. Scary as it is, they can photoshop children to look like adults. I hadn't thought of that. I just hope that I hadn't watched any child porn during my brief visits there. I'm legit scared since learning that fact. That's another reason why I gave it up besides its utter unappealing nature.

Yeah, I figured that they were on display for the craftsmanship rather than the content. 
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lmao, @ a former political page is now a porn site.. well enough of em get caught in sex scandals so it makes sense.

the age of consent in Japan is 13 but you have to be 18 to legally do porn videos.

yeah many anime have very hmm youthful drawings .. to me eh as long it is is drawings and not actual kids.. it is not my thing but to each their own.. if actual kids then yes,, arrest all involved.. kill em.

yes the same program they use to age missing kids up.. can always be be used to make adults look like children and so on..

yup, some believe, anything involving sex is not art.. pft
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I suppose it does. LOL I have no love for anything political, but it's all the more funnier considering what that porn site used to be. Although, I don't see why political sex scandals are a big deal unless they involve children, rape, etc. What they do in their private lives is their business. So what if they record themselves making love to their wives or girlfriends? It's not their fault that stupid folk go snooping and sell the video(s) for the highest bidder. And then it's "Oh NO! Major political figure caught on tape having sex with his wife!" (The same goes for celebrities who get caught in similar situations. The paparazzi snoop and sell the footage and then it's a downward spiral from there.) Their career is forever ruined because some idiot wanted to make a scene out of what was supposed to be a private affair. I also blame society for being such prudes. Lots of married and unmarried couples have sex. As long as its consensual and with adults, there shouldn't be a huge uproar. If it's blasted into the spotlight, it's likely due to someone trying to commit sabotage or just to get attention. And stupid media/sheeple fall for it every time. 

Wow. I had no idea that it was that young. But I think I'm safe because none of the girls in the vids looked younger than 18. 

It makes me shudder seeing the anime versions of pedophilia. But yes, cut off their genitals and then kill them. There's also women pedophiles too. Kill them also.

Very true. There were no photos on that website either. I don't know if they can edit real people to look older/younger in videos or not. I know they can for still images though.

I heard the same argument against nudism. It's all about different tastes, but that doesn't give people the right to ban something they don't think is art (even if it actually is). They want it banned for their convenience. (I highly suspect that it's the religious folk who are making a fuss about it all. They must make the world live by their/God's standards. There are people out there who aren't religious and are just prudes/overly sensitive, but it's a very high chance that the religious crowd is behind it.)
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I personal enjoy politics.But Americans mold ourselves after a puritan society, oh noes you stepped out on your wife!!! worse than ever!!!  I tend to think that is between them and their wives and never really care.. UNLESS they are breaking the law. like John Edwards..he was using massive amounts of campaign funds to hide his affair and that he had a child with his mistress.. using campaign funds is a federal crime so I cared about that aspect but not the rest

I've never been in a monogamous relationship, but if I ever ran for office.. how would they cover an open-poly relationship with BDSM lifestyle hmm

Yup, I think the age of consent should be 16, that seems old enough to say yes or no.I started at 10 so would not tell anyone to have sex that young.

Agreed, the supreme court has said drawings and writings about pedophilia are covered under the first amendment . but if it were actual kids then it would not be



They also can for videos, the porn industry has entire production teams to fix every pimple, erase stretch marks etc in videos.

I am sure you are correct, most of the people yelling about it do tend to be religious folks
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You know, it is sort of funny how double standard this issue is. Last I checked art is something you created. Not to mention sex and other erotic themes has been around within literature and paintings for ages, why get upset about it now? I mean, if someone drew a picture of two monsters ripping each other apart, with blood, limbs and guts flying all over the place, sure people might get shocked by it but certainty not offended as long as I have mature tags on.

Put you draw a picture of two people nude, making out with one another or in a sexual situation, suddenly it becomes a problem. If the argument is children might see unless the creator does not have the mature tag on it, it is not the artist's problem. Art doesn't always need to have some deep meaning or spiritual massage nor should it be limited based on social norms. It can just be done out of fun, enjoyment and to blow off steam.
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
Exactly, when you look at the links in artist section.. I showed ancient Rome, Greece, Japan had nudity and sex on the tapestry, on their walls of their bath houses and homes, but now.. we act as if sex is something that cannot be artistic and must be shunned

America especially are very puritan, when you go to Europe, they show nudity on their basic channels, many more nude beaches etc but in America we act as if oh noes!! we must never see nudity.


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AlexisYokoHobbyist General Artist
PORN IS ART! Seriously, what's the problem with sexual things? This planet is very sad...
AtheosEmanon's avatar
AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
Fully agreed, some people think that nude people engaging in self pleasure, or just sex cannot be artistic.
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My god, I love this stamp. Thank you for doing this.
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
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themoldysausageHobbyist Writer
Let's play spot the differences,

Art=The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.

Pornography=Printed or visual material containing the explicit description or display of sexual organs or activity, intended to stimulate erotic rather than aesthetic or emotional feelings.

Did you find them all?
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AtheosEmanonHobbyist General Artist
"spot the differences"
Yes, I found your interpretation of the differences and yet art is many different things, so one form of art will be quite different than another form of art.

Who said explicit material cannot be an expression of creative skill and imagination?  though what art expresses to the person can be quite powerful depending on the individual, if one is looking for one objective view of what art is then I doubt they would ever find it.  A million people can look at a simple circle and come away with many different views of its intentions, so too can a million people look at people engaged in sexual activity, be it on the walls of Ancient civilizations, written in a book, captured on photo or film and also come away from it with different meanings.

If you look at the walls of ancient Japan, Ancient Rome, Ancient Egypt, Ancient Greece and the depictions of people of having sex is not, in my opinion, any less "art" than someone using actual humans rather than sculpting humans engaged in the same act.

Would you then say the people engaged in double penetrating sex on the walls of ancient civilizations because it may stimulate erotic feelings?


I understand that we at times in the  West live in a very somewhat puritanical society and like to shy away from the sexual aspects of our nature, and if someone chooses not to draw, write, film etc explicit material that is their choice. But for the one who does, I do not consider their art to be of lesser value just because it may arise some feeling of erotic, But that is me. As I said in the very text of the piece, not everyone will like this or that explicit art, that to me does not make it any less art.


I normally check in once a day usually, so may either reply back tomorrow or in a small chance I see it today then I will reply back when I See it.
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TheJewelOfIsisHobbyist General Artist
I don't agree to hardcore  porn in any degree, especially if it exploits women and children (Adult porn is disgusting, but child porn is 10X worse and for anyone who enjoys such should be stoned and shamed)

I myself have OCXCanon gay relationship and I do have a very abnormal sexual erotic mind when concerning them (But, that stays in my folders and never shown unless I seem fit (not rarely) I would never post any of it up, as some pieces would clearly offend people, especially, if they despise gay couples (fictional or real) Although I don't count my adult drawings as art all that much, each piece contains a story and the way I draw these are an art form of combining sex with artistic nude and a meaning that expresses true love (It isn't exploitation that I draw)

There is a line between art that evolves love and still portrays the art form and a line that crosses over to a more deprived area and isn't art at all (Softcore, although I do feel uncomfortable, it is something I would prefer than the unhealthy stuff, if I had a choice to pick between)
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