For Ironside Industrial,
I've been guilty of using your ship as an example of why I think the judging was unfair as well. I have no excuses really, except that I'm sorry.
Remember, even when other people look at your art and see nothing but a bunch of lines. I see this.
Don't give up.
EDIT: I just realized I switched some of the details in the center >.< Not the fault of the concept, but my own rush.
P.S. frak that contest. Haha. I'm done with it. If there's anything I want now it's that you get reinstated. Both sides treated you horribly, when you really had no control over it.
P.P.S. And I suck at apologies. So yeah... it's awkward.
But I really mean it.
P.P.P.S. I realize this might be taken the wrong way as well. I don't care about pageviews, favs, etc. If anyone wants to host it instead of me, feel free to download it and pm me so I can delete this, heh. I surrender all rights to this.
P.P.P.P.S. This isn't about my work or my skills. There is a reason why I purposely did not include my name anywhere in the image.
I've been guilty of using your ship as an example of why I think the judging was unfair as well. I have no excuses really, except that I'm sorry.
Remember, even when other people look at your art and see nothing but a bunch of lines. I see this.
Don't give up.
EDIT: I just realized I switched some of the details in the center >.< Not the fault of the concept, but my own rush.
P.S. frak that contest. Haha. I'm done with it. If there's anything I want now it's that you get reinstated. Both sides treated you horribly, when you really had no control over it.
P.P.S. And I suck at apologies. So yeah... it's awkward.
But I really mean it.P.P.P.S. I realize this might be taken the wrong way as well. I don't care about pageviews, favs, etc. If anyone wants to host it instead of me, feel free to download it and pm me so I can delete this, heh. I surrender all rights to this.
P.P.P.P.S. This isn't about my work or my skills. There is a reason why I purposely did not include my name anywhere in the image.
I can already see the reverse "LABC < Tornado" becoming the EVE Online equivalent to "Han shot first"
Plus, it would make for a nice, inscrutable T-shirt slogan. I can already imagine other Eve players (total strangers) giving me the secret Masonic handshake as we assiduously avoid eye contact in a bank queue or on the bus...
Idk, i again respect your 3D skills, and ofcourse the good way u used to apologise to this guy it is admirable, but simply the design wasnt a winner for many many reasons.
Just my opinion.
And poor guy :/
Well done, well done indeed!
I never said that the design was bad but i still stand by the fact that its execution was flawed AND it was not terribly original (we already have Catalysts)
Your rendition nailed it imho.
Id fly it.
btw if you want to add it to my EVE Victory Lap project [link] , please feel free to send me the model (will not be used except for the Victory Lap Project)
I feel bad for the guy too though. I was completely perplexed when his design showed up in the final 15... but theres being honest with someone and then theres flat out being mean. He shouldn't give up on drawing space ships and things if thats what he wants to do. Also it was lame to tell the dude he won something then yank it away. I agree, frak that contest.
Anyway, if needed, they could make any major changes they want to the design if they shall decide to include it (like is stated in the rules, btw)
CCP have nothing to do with it - it's DA fault. So I can't see any reason for CCP to reparate someone's emoragequit by pissing off their player base.
...like i said they can heavy modify the LA-B in any degree they want to make it "better", "includable" to EVE. They could even make a new battlecruiser design from scrap and just name it anyway they want after the "L.A." initials.
Although CCP is not directly responsible for DA's judging, at least it shares certain degree of responsability for it -they agreed DA judges select the 15 semifinalist, and the terms of that agreement, whatever they where, led to this mess.
And we ran in a circle! If i say that LAB could be "included in game, regardless of the final outcome of the contest", i say this: 3 winners will have their -supposedly- best, magnificent, most creative and beautifull designs included in-game. LAB will not be between those 3 -his entry has been disqualified. Regardless of that, comes the need of a "reparation" to Ironside Industrial. I think a possible way to do it is to "suit" the LAB into EVE somehow (change it, modify it, make it better, different, change it until almost unrecognition, whatever) and include it in-game.
And why CCP? Make AD to bulid bronze monument for him or something...
But frankly, I couldn't care less anymore. I just won't be joining any other DA contest ever again.
Awesome job on making his design come to life.
There is hope in the world after all.
It is as you say a shame he isn't around to see it, and it was really nice of you to do it.
My God! I would vote for this to rank number 1 in the finals! You have my respect! I wish IronsideIndustrial could see this!
Thus it is really a sad thing that he left, and hopefully, with this work among other things, might one day bring him back
ps. Which program did you use?
This ship continues to not impress me as a design concept or "dream ship"; if you take the big shape of it looks like a door handle for me. The amount of details, made me think that was allot of work put into it and was well distributed the usage of each detail. That's all.
Now I definetely cant blame the outcome of that design although it wasnt great XDXDXD
Not only is it cool, it fits the game... no question. The issue was that he didn't follow the rules, with the original.
They were wrong to cry foul based on the merits of the art. That is taste and opinion and cannot be questioned, his model, choice and design fit all of the criteria. I felt as bad for Iron as I did for myself for blowing it on rules issues. I just willingly yanked my stuff because I play fair.
* Note doesn't mean I fight fair
o7 Salute
I have no idea why you would feel a need to yank your stuff though.
Have fun, and all of this will be behind soon enough.
I knew that my point of view would stir enough trouble without the potential that people would think I just wanted to be selected.
I wouldn't even resubmit if they totally started over at this point.
I appreciate your friendly adversarial position, we need that from the site owners, and its just not forthcoming...not to argue, but to be heard.
I'll enter contests where I have a chance, I'm not afraid to lose Jaime, as you shouldn't be afraid of the potential for conflict or confrontation, and you don't seem to be with me. It is the challenges of our lives that make us who we are, not the warm comforts of our day to day. Choose a crusade, gather your soldiers and fight man! Not for the sake of the war, but for the ones to weak or silent to fight it themselves.
So many Modern fables has taught us this, even Clerks! LOL 300, fight club, american History X, Tombstone, heroic tales were people fought for stupid reasons or no reason, or just basic rights. This is smaller by far LOL, but no less contentious.
Grab a torch and bear it to the dark, and let no man nor beast cause you to lay it down, or darken its light. Light is Fact, and Truth. Hold it with dignity and it will guide and protect you.
Just ranting.. if you laugh.. know that I am too.
but I get your point.
I am not actually adversarial unless people are just being insulting, or bending the facts to suit your viewpoint...or just plain making them up.
I actually don't think you have done any of these things lately than I can recall lol.
I just want the whole shebang done with...pick three winners, from the fifteen finalists, tell us who they are so we can congratulate them (though given the reaction, maybe don't tell us, just tell them) and then we can all get on with something else, and the drama queens and trolls can go find some other buffet to pick over.
good luck
its not just the 3d model, I like that it doesn't have a random spike in it on the side view that was no where else.
if only he just ignored the meanies and took real advice to heart to get better.
thanks for showing how polish can make a design a lot better.
poor guy he acts like people hated him when we just hated the judges : (