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There has been recent concern over the influence Dave Peters's website and blog have been having on the internet when it comes to information on pterosaurs and amniote evolution in general. There has been a lot that has been said on the matter and I'm not interested in repeating it all, wou can find the best information at the following pages:

S. Christopher Bennett on "Pterosaur Science or Pterosaur Fantasy": bigcat.fhsu.edu/biology/cbenne…
Nima on "The Strange Journey of David Peters": paleoking.blogspot.com/2011/05…
Mickey Mortimer on "Why David Peters' analysis sucks": theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/…
Mickey Mortimer on "Why doesn't Peters find Dinosauria or Saurischia?": theropoddatabase.blogspot.com/…
Darren Naish on "Why the world has to ignore ReptileEvolution.com": blogs.scientificamerican.com/t…
Mark Witton on "Pterosaur.Net wades in against Reptileevolution.com ": pterosaur-net.blogspot.co.uk/2…

However, I do have a few words of my own to throw in—
First off, I really hope this is the beginning of a greater movement to counter Peters's massive web presence and mis-education. One thing that has come to my mind is that the only way to really counteract the mis-information would be for researchers who, well, do actual research to maintain a web presence that is on the same scale if not greater. Back when he had pterosaurinfo.com I tried to do this but I soon became to busy and started experiencing some technical problems, when his old site went down I finally lost motivation and eventually my own site vanished from the web. [I suppose the main problem was I never had the time for it, that plus a lack of monetary resources are the reasons why going it alone and trying to develop a web presence sufficient to counteract Peters's failed for me, I understand now that we need we need to get enough people on board to the point where that is no longer a problem.] From my own experience I now understand some of the reasons that counteracting Peters has been so difficult; whilst he is prolific and quickly comes up with his own ideas and percieved himself to be an expert in everything, his disdain for published research is likely a major cause for his being as prolific as he is. For the rest of us, doing actual research and illustration takes time poring over literature and we understand that nobody can know everything there is to know about all amniotes.
So, what's my point? First off, to counteract Peters influence us researchers need our own website with a similarly massive scope. Second, no one person can do it on his/her own, that is simply impossible if the goal is for the site to be well-researched, we are all busy and have our own projects and distinct areas of expertise in palćozoölogy, however, if even only a couple of us can get together and put only a few hours of effort into such a site each week, it probably would not be very difficult to make a high quality site devoted to amniote evolution. Many of us have pet projects, access to large quantities of technical literature, and illustration, web design, and research experience that could all be quite helpful and could easily outshine Peters's one-man show. Among the things that such a site should include are skeletal reconstructions based on published information, summaries of the published work on the amniote taxa, cladograms, and the comprehensive character lists to justify the clades and trees presented. Yes, it would mean that we would all have to make some time for this work in our busy lives, but I think researchers have a duty to educate the public, and Peters's influence is a symptom of an overall failure on the part of researchers to clearly and comprehenively do so. This whole situation should be a call to action.
I should note that a few years ago the website Pterosaur.net was created with the goal of counteracting Peters's influence, but according to one of its creators it 'ran out of steam' and was difficult to work on, especially when trying to get permission for photos of fossils. [On the matter of photos of fossils: The idea is good, and for public outreach some photos are necessary, but if the goal is to be a scientific alternative to Peters one must keep in mind the function of his site; photos of fossils are present, but they don't dominate the site and aren't necessarily what people might go there for, I think his site is more centred about his skeletal reconstructions and his writings on various taxa and their placement in his trees, I think any site that sets itself against Peters should have a similar focus] Pterosaur.net was a brilliant and admirable idea, and it still is an excellent site, but for a couple reasons, even if it were taken a step further I'm not sure if it would have counteracted Peters, partly because Peters has gone far beyond pterosaurs now, but mainly because it struck me as just a very different kind of site. The information is excellent and comprehensive, but it is also much more integrated and focused on the 'big picture' versus Peters's approach which seems more detail-oriented. There is something to be said for both approaches, and Pterosaur.net has its place as the best site on pterosaurs currently in existence, but to counteract Peters, I think there needs to be something that is more similar in conception to the old Palaeos site or that old Ceratopsia site that went down almost a decade ago, or even Peters's old early 2000s pterosaur site.
Another problem is how researchers percieve outreach in today's world, which still focuses more on lectures, presentations, and writings, but rarely much else. I am starting to think that when a lot of scientists think of outreach they dismiss the internet as inconsequential (after all, scientific writing only counts when published in a peer-reviewed venue) or a hive of lunatics, not one of, if not *the* most important media for outreach in today's world and that has been a reason that ReptileEvolution has come to be so dominant. There is not much professional information on the internet because the experts do not consider it a priority, this allows problematic voices that would otherwise be unknown in the scientific community to have a very prominent say and mislead interested laymen into thinking the scientific situation is something other than what it really is. Peters has every right to have his website and say what he wants, it is the dominance of Peters's site that is the problem, and that itself is a symptom of a very different and very large problem not just in vertebrate palćontology, but science in general.
Like I said earlier, this should to be a call to action, maybe what I'm talking about, i.e. my own opinion is a crazy pipe dream that is completely unfeasable, but I think we all can agree something must be done and I think even just talking about the matter helps, right now is not the time to dwell on what we cannot do but to throw around ideas about what we would like to see done, even if only a small percentage of those ideas will work out.

(Disclaimer: A great percentage of this derives from my commentary in some facebook conversations, hence some parts may seem repetitive or not as well-composed as they ought to, I just felt that the thoughts should be brought out into the open.)
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Ok, maybe not, there are some good things that came of it (e.g. feathered dinosaurs), but I've come to be annoyed by a way of restoring dinosaurs that has been ubiquitous for the past 30 years or so. Simply put, we really need to make our prehistoric animals animals again.
I've had the good fortune to dissect a good number of birds and to prod a few reptiles (living and dead), and I've noticed that it seems either very few people out there have done so, or simply ignored what they should have noticed; no animal is simply made from a skeleton with muscles stretched out like elastic bands and covered in a layer of paper-thin skin—they all have fat, some have subcutaneous muscles (though that's really more of a mammal thing), and lots of folds, flaps, and wrinkles in their skin. These things need to move around, they need to have energy stores, at the same time they need to have mass! Yes, it may come as a surprise, but dinosaurs were big, bulky things, their feet would sink into a mud puddle that was every bit a part of their environment as they were. Their thighs were probably hidden in their body with plenty of skin and fat surrounding them, you'd see some muscles, but they were not body builders by any means, and their cranial fenestrae would not have been visible through their skin. What people are drawing are hyperpowered-zombie-body-builder-x-treme caricatures, they are fantastical beings, they certainly aren't bulky, dirty, dull-coloured or camouflaged animals set into and fitting their environment. Dinosaurs were probably as lazy as any modern animal, they probably sat in the shade, chewed on some food that they would happen across while taking a relaxing stroll through their primordial forests, they wouldn't be running much unless they were chasing food or food being chased, and the less running the better. Animals tend to conserve their energy for when they need it. I'm not going to tolerate another bright red and green Allosaurus fragilis doing a pirouette while chasing at a million km/h a brigt blue Diplodocus longus rearing on its hind legs. Sure, pre-'renaissance' restorations may have operated under a cold-blooded dinosaur paradigm that is woefully outdated, but one thing that, e.g., Charles R. Knight (who I have to say was fairly run-of-the mill in artistic style) had over [take your pick of modern palaeolife restorers] was that he studied living animals and knew how they worked and was able to set them in an environment such that it felt as if they were a product of that enviroment with their physicality and behaviours arising out of the restoration as a whole, rather than overlooked or thrown in as an afterthought. I think the only contemporary restorer who achieves the same effect is Doug Henderson who is unique in focusing almost entirely on the setting, and then carefully fits his animals in, as opposed to drawing the animal first and then filling an ersatz world about it.
In the process of coming to this realisation I would like to dissociate myself from any earlier resorations that I have done—if I were to now draw a restoration the style would be almost unrecognisable. I hope one day I can use light to give these creatures mass, use muted, earthy colours just like those found in nature, in living animals, and make their colours fit their enviroment and bahaviour. I hope to give them an anatomy and a portrayal of behaviour that is consistent with those found in real animals, not fictitious monsters.
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The pterosaur skull panoplies that I made about half a decade back have become a bit old, stale, and very out of date, so I'm planning on making a completely new set to go with the skeletal reconstructions. I'm looking into some new traditional media techniques that might enhance the quality of the skull reconstructions too, the old ones were small scale (about 6cm wide typically) and done in .3 mm B mechanical pencil on copy paper and I was often disappointed by the low level of detail (which I always tried to overcome with small lead width) and low contrast (I would photoshop them up a bit to enhance that). Additionally, some of the skull reconstructions were a bit confused (especially the Chaoyangopterids) due to lack of information that has since been uncovered.
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Most of everything I have here is over five years old, I look back on it and it horrifies me a bit, I could make virtually any piece over again and it would be far better.

The only thing stopping me is lazines when I have time, and lack of time when I... err... lack time.

Strooth! Whatever made some of my worst pieces so popular (for those of you who are new to this page: if you don't look at those pieces, and you'll know which ones they are, you won't regret it, no regrets is a good thing, trust me).
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So I just noticed that after recently posting a bunch of skeletals (buy 'a bunch' I mean three) after a year-long hiatus it seems that people pay attention to each new skeletal less than they did to the preceeding skeletal, which means that in order for me to be more popular, I must post fewer works. PErhaps I might even get a 'daily deviation' if I don't post anything at all!
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So I made the vast majority of my work here available as prints, with the exception of screenshots, IDs, and one Anurognathus skeletal reconstruction that was in a GIF format and not allowed. Some older oned are only available as 4×6 prints, but most of my newer ones, especially my skeletal reconstructions, are available on a much larger scale. So anyway, I command you to buy them. Also, I know the discoverer of Raeticodactylus has been wanting a print of my reconstruction of that particular pterosaur, so here it is at long last.
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In recent days I've come up with a couple ideas for new artworks to make. This time around they are not palaeontographical subjects and are unrelated to such things in every way. It will still probably be a while before I get back to palaeo, I can still see myself returning to something more than just skeletals, but for the moment I still feel a certain bitterness about "palaeo-art" that is keeping my at bay, but one day I'll probably return and, as John said, try to "make palaeontography something worthwhile again". It is good to see that people appreciate what I have produced in that genre. Anyway, I'm considering getting back to the artistic pursuits as I have some ideas sloshing through my head for several things I want to make. I have been wondering if I should go with digital painting as the means of production, or if I should go with physical, brush-and-paint-type painting. On the one hand, I could work up a digital painting much quicker and avoid mistakes easier, plus I would actually have a physical painting with me, which in my opinion lends a little degree of respect to the work (though admittedly it doesn't matter much because quality does not rely on whether a painting exists in a physical or a digital form) and I don't have to worry about pixellation in the fine details. Additionally, there is the fact that aside from pencil, I have done little in other physical media. The last time I painted anything in an artistic context was over seven years ago. So, overall I think I am more familiar in using a digital medium. Also, it would take me a while to get everything I would need for making said physical work of art. So yeh…
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So it seems that the people running this thing are becoming an even bigger bunch of prudish wankers than they used to be. Suddenly only people who are 18 years old or older can join, and while I have little fondness for this place, I can certainly say I was not 18 when I first subscribed, and I do hope they don't start persecuting others such as me, though given their disposition to idiocy here, I wouldn't be surprised of that. I suspect it has something to do with so-called "mature content", and I say that is one of the most stupid concepts developed by society. It echoes Mediaeval prudishness and shame of the body. I say that the body is nothing to be ashamed of and it should be noted some ancient peoples, like those often frighteningly clever Greeks, admired the body as it was and made some spectacular statues depicting the un-accessorised human form, and many astoundingly brilliant Renaissance artists followed suit.
I guess if Michelangelo were around today, a great part of his work would be called "mature content". Actually, that almost happened to him when a priest complained about his use of nudes in his paintings. Michelangelo responded by painting said priest nude, in Hell, with donkey's ears, and a snake biting his nether parts*. I do thusly to the people running this site.
Now, there is also the problem of weenie kids coming here and posting excrement on their pages and swiftly being made fun of and I can see them being pandered to by some site administration. Now, no matter how I detest these weenies, I oppose any measure to kick other people off this site for them, or kicking them off because they were offended. Either way things work, it is stupid, somebody, somewhere, will be offended by something stupid, that is just how ridiculous people get to be but I don't think it is a reason to censor anything or to keep people from registering to an art site.
To conclude, there are too many pillocks making too many decisions that they shouldn't be put in a position to make; the outcome is nauseating at best, infuriating at almost best, and outright grotesque at... err... mediocre.

I suspect I may be banned for this. If that is the case it will only make the people running this clown show of unenlightened brutes, prudes, and Facscists even worse.

*I have had the fortune of seeing that image in person, it is in the Sistine Chapel, in Michelangelo's "Last Judgement".
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1. Palaeontologists I have met: Gregory Paul, Robert Bakker (I even have a signed marker sketch of a Leptoceratops that he once drew), John Horner, S. Christopher Bennett (not really met, he never talks to anybody when he is not giving a presentation, but I did see him give a presentation, which is as close as I could get to talking to him), Dave Peters (not a palaeontologist, but included here because he has a habit of annoying actual palaeontologists, which is generally only something palaeontologists do to each other), Phil Currie, Luis Chiappe, Michael Carr (see the note for Bennett, though Carr is not as reserved, he prefers to talk to other palaeontologists), and a few more who are generally unfamiliar to those more interested in Mesozoic archosaurs.

2. My list of palaeontologists I have met is probably ten times smaller than what several other people here could write.

3. I have an evil plan to move to a more civilised country, but I haven't decided what more civilised country I should move to. I primarily blame indecisiveness.

4. I haven't drawn anything by hand worth posting in two years. My more recent work has primarily been vector. I have tried to make vector work that is not a diagramme, but than I look at nyctopterus's work and wonder why I bother. So I stick to skeletals.

5. I've been growing Thomas Huxley-style sideburns upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia… in recent times, but whenever I get a haircut the people always trim them to look like normal long sideburns, as is the style today, even if I explain that I want them to be atypically bushy.

6. I have a masochistic tendency to throw myself into other people's debates at bad times or bring up "controversial" topics that people with more tact never dream of bringing up in conversation. It has brought me countless enemies. This is all said in a very positive tone.

7. Among a good number of other magic tricks I have perfected over the years, mostly out of boredom, I can make a toothpick disappear and reappear, which means I could qualify as a wizard in Florida. I also can bend spoons, which means I could qualify as a psychic. Both are rather simple but I'm more interested in the first option than the second, I think wizards are a bit more reputable.

8. I once worked at a museum cataloguing mini-blobsters from Mazon Creek. I had a strong desire to just write "blobster" on all the labels, excepting the ones that I could tell what they were. Eventually I figured out what all of them were and the impulse to label all of them as blobsters lessened. I still want to go over there and quickly finish my work on the yet uncatalogued specimens so that I may fool a palaeontologist working on Mazon Creek fossils into thinking that "Blobster hansonii" is a valid species.


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Please don't be afraid to comment on my work. I feel that if nobody has anything to say about anything I make that there is something inherently wrong with said work. Even if you have nothing nice to say about something of mine feel free to say all the unpleasantries that may come to your mind. I'm not one of those weenies who put up that stupid "critique discouraged" notice so don't assume that I don't assume I hate comments when you see otherwise.
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That Bunyip picture gets way too much attention for its own good. I'm quite ashamed of that primitive attempt at photoshop painting but I suppose if people like it I'm not going to stop anybody.
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The infamous Aggie has arose from his dormant state as Microraptor. He now wants to be a Wikipedia troll. Yes, the same arsehat who claimed to destroy Eat All Furries, the NastyLittleShites Association, and Shoesie and was noted for baselessly patronising John Conway now wants to be a troll. He still claims that he was being righteous in his anti-EAF/NLSA/COTI escapades... to that I say he is a weenie-wanking bastard!
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No longer do I have to consider myself a windows-using primitive! I now have a lovely MacBook Pro.

Now watch this account fade back into inactivity for another 10 months.
... of trying to get myself to delete this account, I haven't had the will to do so. I also wouldn't mind returning to palaeontography, but somehow I cannot bring myself to get back to it again.
I'm probably going to close down this account. I'm leaving palaeo and I'm feeling very unoriginal, so I have no motivation at the moment for any art. If you are one of the minority of persons out there who do not wish to see this place go, let me know, I may listen to them, but it is more likely that I will not.
If anybody has any keys to getting inspiration, let me know also, I may not listen to them, but it is more likely that I will.

...
I have two things to say here:

1. I'm quite convinced I'm cursed, all the bad things that are happening to me right now could not possibly all happen under normal circumstances. Get me a good shaman or a witch doctor, right now!

2. I'm thinking if making a new account for my non-palaeo stuff, in fact, I'm considering leaving palaeo altogether, at least for a while, perhaps with a pterosaur here and there, but for the most part I'm setting my eyes on something else. For a name I'm considering Lord_Wilmore, shAngri-la, or perhaps something Lovecraftian... or... I don't know, my imagination is broken beyond repair, it seems.
More specifically, some clothing items I need. Due to my disgust with modern popular clothing I have sought to find clothing that is out of fashion. Many clothes, aside from a majority of rather ordinary looking clothes with no particular time associated with them would do quite well in the 80's or 90's and I have plenty of clothing items that can give me a hippie aesthetic and some that can give me a 50's look (both casual and formal) but lately I have been looking for some older-style clothing. In particular I am looking for some clothing of the 19th century style, preferrably from the period of the 1820's to 1840's, I am also searching for some mid-18th century clothing (I have always wanted one of those powdered wigs), and as a Pastafarian/FSMist, it is my duty to find some good quality pirate regalia. Does anyone have any suggestions as to where I could obtain these.

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... is green (yes, the wonders of synaesthesia).

From this point onward I resolve to use British spellings and adopt British mannerisms and a British accent. I feel that American English is not true English and most Americanisms are a result of blatant laziness (how much effort does it take to add an extra u in colour) or ignorance (as are many American customs). By speaking in a British (Recieved Pronunciation) accent, I feel that I accentuate my superior intelligence and add an appropriate air of arrogance to myself when among less cultured Americans. I believe that in taking on British mannerisms and the forsaking of more American habits and customs I separate myself from the vast number of American aspects I strongly disapprove of and from "idiot America." There are numerous aspects of American culture that I absolutely despise and I hope to one day rid myself of all these elements (including... erm... things nobody really needs to know of). My grievances concerning American culture, however, are the subject of another, perhaps forthcoming journal entry.

Perhaps I shall write that one on a more appropriate upcoming day, fpr now:
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You may have noticed that there hasn't been any activity here lately (not that that is particularly unusual). It seems to me that lately I've grown tired of palaeontography. It's not that I do not like it, I still have a passion for the entire "palaeo-" field, it is just that for a long time (several years at the least) my only subjects have been palaeontological, and that has taken its toll on me. Essentially, I need a break and I want to try something new, but I have no idea where to start. Any ideas for obtaining inspiration, anyone?

For those few that do like my palaeontographical depictions of ancient life, do not worry, I will still continue to come up with plenty, I just want some more variety in my life and art is all.

... and I'm still working on my pterosaur skeletal reconstruction project.

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It appears Qilong* has been here for a bit more than a month and already he has recieved half the number of visits I have recieved and I've been here for a few years now... I get absolutely no respect...

*Note: I have nothing against Qilong who really is a great artist, I'm just using him as an example for this massive visit count phenomenon that is happening to everybody else but me.
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In other news: I'm working on skeletal reconstructions of all pterosaur species for which satisfactory material is known for the making of skeletal reconstructions.
I also have several skull recinstructions I'm working on.
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Finally: I'd advise anybody making an illustration of Juravenator starki to consider restoring it with a coat of feathers on parts that are not known to have scales, which means the entire body excluding the legs and tail.
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Finally#2: What's with this being unable to see new journal entries from people on my watchlist anymore.
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Okay, seriously, this is the last one, I'm for serious: I really like the concept that jconway has come up with for helping promote palaeontography, but his proposal could use some more details on how to go about it and perhaps he should publish it somewhere like PT also to reach a wider audience.

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