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I'm tired of all those people saying "I don't believe in evolution because [insert random creationist crap here]". (And creationism includes all that "Intelligent Design" stuff, hope it's obvious)
You can't say "I believe/don't believe in evolution", because, well, it's not a matter of belief. :roll:
People who reject evolution most often simply have no idea what it is about and that's rather sad.
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Tarquinius-Superbus's avatar
Incredible there are actually schools in the US that teach kids evolution doesn't exist. This misinformation must be stopped
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RensKnight's avatar
RensKnight|Hobbyist Writer
I don't see why evolution wouldn't be the means of creation.  In that light is is really awe-inspiring to consider that we have the privilege of getting a little window into how God's work was done.  Even the "dead ends" and the creatures that are now extinct serve a purpose in my eyes, to teach us about how biology and ecosystems work.  That is knowledge we can apply towards caring for our current world.
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Pellchinnn|Hobbyist General Artist
The following is a good resource for the one who desires to better understand why evolutionism is a dead philosophy; searchcreation.org
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PRM03's avatar
PRM03Edited |Student Traditional Artist
"Evolutionism" doesn't exist. It's called evolution and it's not a philosophy, ideology or belief. 
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Pellchinnn|Hobbyist General Artist
If evolutionism doesn't exist then we wouldn't even be talking about evolution in the first place. Evolutionism is simply adherence to evolutionary philosophy as the explanation for our existence rather than creation.
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PRM03|Student Traditional Artist
There's no "evolutionary philosophy". You should not only learn what is the difference between evolution and theory of evolution, but also the difference between science, philosophy, and religion.
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TheGhoulAvenue|Student Digital Artist
get that creationist pseudoscience wank out of here 
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TheGhoulAvenue|Student Digital Artist
Because it's pseudoscience. It starts with the conclusion instead of starting with the evidence and drawing a conclusion from the evidence, and worst of all it doesn't even have evidence. There's a reason any credible scientist supports evolution and it's not a dead philosophy (it's not even a philosophy, evolution is a scientific fact and the theory of evolution is a well supported scientific theory (not to be confused with the daily-use word theory which has an entirely different meaning). There's no arguments in the scientific community about evolution because of the overwhelming amount of evidence. Meanwhile all sources about creationism claim a lot of things that do not have any support, or straight out fake and misinterpret science on purpose to support the pre-written conclusions in the bible. 
Creationist-method by TheGhoulAvenue  
It's the farthest from science it can be. 
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PellchinnnEdited |Hobbyist General Artist
Why? I would rather suggest you cease this juvenile attitude of yours.
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TheGhoulAvenueEdited |Student Digital Artist
People are more likely to accept evolution if they understand it. Education plays a huge role in it. Most christians where I live accept evolution and just believe God put the first living thing on the planet and gave it the ability to evolve, which isn't entirely accurate but hey it's a solid standing ground as opposed to creationists "everything popped out of nothing" and then blaming us for believing something came out of nothing (hypocritical much aye).

For anyone who is actually, honestly interested in learning about evolution and how it works, I really do recommend the linked website because it does a good job at summing it all up. 
They also have a page for common misconceptions, which is great.
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Pellchinnn|Hobbyist General Artist
Well, you've really got to define your terms first. Microevolution (or natural selection or speciation) is undeniable and a non-issue. But it is macroevolution (essentially and simply put the concept of microbe to man across aeons of time) that is the real issue, and that is what anti-Evolutionists or Christians/Creationists really refer to when they express disbelief in or disapproval of the general concept of "Evolution" or "Evolutionism" as a philosophy, belief or religion. In this sense, yes, you can indeed say you don't believe in "Evolution". Indeed, some people who reject Evolution may not properly comprehend why they even should reject it, but then again, there are also a great deal of people who know full well why they do good in rejecting that belief in Evolution.
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TheGhoulAvenue|Student Digital Artist
Macroevolution and microevolution are the same thing and no evolutionary scientist even differenates between the two, only creationists do as a self-defense.
There is no debate about evolution. Get that nonsense out of here.
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Pellchinnn|Hobbyist General Artist
They're evidently not the same thing, but that's the best excuse the evolutionist can come up with, and at least creationists have been honest enough to differentiate between them. At best, macroevolution could be argued as being microevolution dragged out across aeons of time, but that's still merely a half-truth. Microevolution is simply small scale change or adaptation within living things (something which can be easily observed and documented), whereas macroevolution (assuming it was ever even real) deals with the sort of large scale change as displayed alongside the conventional geologic timeline, or for instance "turning a microbe to a fish, or a theropod to a bird, or an ape to a man" (which obviously cannot be observed nor documented and which is blatantly contradicted by actual science, but since that's the best the evolutionist can come up with, and since they don't want anything to do with the reality of God and creation, they keep promoting it in spite of its deceitful and poisonous pseudoscientific nature). Claiming there to be "no debate about evolution" is merely a sign of naiveté, insecurity, and straight out being in denial, seeing as the topic has been intensely debated both within evolutionist and creationist circles since the concept was first proposed (noting that this even spans before Darwin), and the promotion of it as a working concept is merely a charade kept alive through masterful and deceptive illustrative and authoritative skills, and the general public is generally unsuspecting and merely swallows whatever they are being fed, and then carries it forward if the taste of it is sweet, and suddenly you've got an entire society brainwashed by evolutionary philosophy (where morals are no longer objective and the value of every human being has been relegated to that of any other animal or material things), ultimately heading for eternal damnation for having turned their backs on the truth and abandoned God and Christ's gift of eternal life. We only have this one life to decide whether we'll be slaves to sin (and end up in eternal torment) or slaves to righteousness (and experience eternal joy). Turn your back on the Devil's sweet lies and get right with God while there is still time. Heart 
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TheGhoulAvenue|Student Digital Artist
All I hear is religious brainwashing propaganda I've heard from any other evolution denier, it's the same stupid spoonfed bullshit with you all.
You should stop writing long winded crap and don't try to argue about well established scientific theories with people that know more about science than you.

And no thank you, since I am well aware we only have this one life I will spend it trying to do what I enjoy without putting any rules by some hundred year old book on the limited time I have. When we're dead we all rot in the ground the same way, might as well enjoy the little time we have and try to be a nice person to everyone around you. That involves to stop spreading lies. The devil doesn't fucking exist.
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Melnazar's avatar
Except that, in science, there is no debate about the validity of evolution (and what you refer as macroevolution is merely a cumulation of speciation events). 
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4eyes0soul|Hobbyist Writer
Pellchinnn is a troll. Your best bet is to post the evidence and then block him. He does these shitposts and then blocks you when you go to point out his lies.
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Pellchinnn|Hobbyist General Artist
Horribly phrased. Rather, among Evolutionists, there is barely no debate on the supposed "validity" of Evolution as a philosophical framework. I was an Evolutionist for 20 years, and it took me several years to dare to come to terms with the reality of it being a dark, amoral, irrational, unscientific concept of a worldview. I believe it's pretty generally understood that macroevolution (if it were ever real) should indeed be an accumulation of changes produced through means of speciation (natural selection or microevolution which, unlike macroevolution, can be tested, repeated and observed), but alas, speciation does not produce this supposed "accumulation" of genetic changes to the organism, but species are produced by means of the decrease of information in the genome, each change gradually destroys the entire lineage of organisms. The actual process of speciation goes downhill, not "uphill" as Evolution would demand. The stone cold truth has to be faced sooner or later, Evolution is none more than an elaborate work of science fiction-fantasy. In other words, you can't go from a microbe to a human being simply because logic tells you (assuming the microbe ever by some strange process succeeded to arise on its own) the microbe will go extinct long before it could ever turn to anything even remotely close to even a worm.
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Melnazar's avatar
" among Evolutionists"
Not evolutionist (since there is no such thing) but among the scientific community.

"I was an Evolutionist for 20 years, and it took me several years to dare to come to terms with the reality of it being a dark, amoral, irrational, unscientific concept of a worldview."
Small problem there Pellchinn, a scientific theory that explains the diversity of life is not a worldview. Or are you suggesting that all scientific theories are worldviews also? How about gravity? Atom?

"I believe it's pretty generally understood that macroevolution (if it were ever real) should indeed be an accumulation of changes produced through means of speciation (natural selection or microevolution which, unlike macroevolution, can be tested, repeated and observed)"
Biology-wise, speciation (formation of a new specie) is considered "macroevolution".

"species are produced by means of the decrease of information in the genome"
Except when extra duplication of a gene occurs, which is quite frequent.

Perhaps you might desire to read about the subject? There is quite a lot of information online from educational and scientific sources. I suggest starting from the Berkeley university page on the subject.
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paleosir|Hobbyist General Artist
Ah, the good 'ol comment section, the perfect place to see the true nature of humanity :) (Smile) 
Well....so many people disregarding scientific evidence, not really a place I want to be.
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4eyes0soul's avatar
4eyes0soul|Hobbyist Writer
"A witty saying proves nothing."
Voltaire.
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Green-Tea-FlowerEdited |Student General Artist
Creationists don't get how Evolution works because they haven't evolved yet!:iconhurrhurrplz:
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Hermy-oneEdited |Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Right? You dont believe, you use your own reason to determine its validity. They think people accept evolution because someone said so, like they believe/accept things because the bible or pastor says so.

I went to the Natural History museum and was embarrassed by my mother loudly proclaiming just this upon reaching the ancient ape and human bones. She stalked away refusing to even look at them. I had to give her a calm down lecture that it is fact there are very old skeletons that are similar to both human and ape and because this is science, theories are postulated based on what we are strictly observing. That there is no reason to be defensive and no one was going to chain her down and make her believe in ape-men lol. Sorry, my mum and I dont get on well...
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RensKnight|Hobbyist Writer
Ouch.  I have a much, much more pleasant memory involving my grandma's belief in creationism.  I'm not sure how the topic came up, but she raised this point: "If evolution is true, then why aren't there Neanderthals and other hominids running around today?"  (Not phrased exactly like that, but that was the upshot of it.) 

Now the thing is, this is not an illogical question in my mind, as scientists are working to understand exactly why we don't see Neanderthals, Denisovans, Flores men, or any of them running around in genetically pure/recognizable forms today.  And I personally think it would be really interesting to imagine a world where that was still the case.  Hoooooly shit, just imagine the crazy shit that would go down between the various humanities.  O_O  If I were being really optimistic I'd say that we would simply have a more expansive, generous definition of what shared "humanity" is, but considering the stupid nitpicking we do to each other with good ol' Homo sapiens sapiens and our little genetic remnants of the other species...my optimism takes one look at that, withers, and dies.

But I just looked at my grandma and said, with a perfectly straight face, "But Grandma, there are Neanderthals EVERYWHERE!!!!"  (This was before we had proof of many humans carrying their DNA so I was going for something else. ;) )

Instead of a stupid argument, we both managed to have a really good laugh at that line. :D
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