Imagine you're getting home from work and as you walk in, you immediately notice that something is off. The lights are dark and the house is too quiet. You run downstairs, feeling this terrible pit open in your chest that something is terribly wrong.
You stop dead as you run into the basement and find blood running along the floorboards. You try not to scream the moment you see your loved one, your mother, your sister, your partner, your daughter, your son lying on the floor in a puddle of their own blood, choking on their own blood. You see a hooded figure bent over them with a dripping knife in his hand, and he stabs them straight in the heart in front of you. You scream and lunge forward as your loved ones eyes glaze over and as he wrings the last life they have before your eyes.
And that murderer stands up and looks at you in the face with passive indifference, not even comprehending the horror of what they just did. Maybe a bit of fear that he was caught. He raises the knife but you've already lunged the moment you saw the scene. Somehow you're able to wrestle the knife out of his hand, to call the police and he's dragged away in chains.
It's been months and you've suffered. Grieving. Crying your heart out, in total disbelief that she's really gone. In utter shock that a complete stranger could do something to someone they didn't even know. Or maybe they did know them and you just don't understand how anyone could carry so much hatred to do such a thing. Nothing will ever be right or accounted for, not that she's left the world. But you put on your best vest for the court case in an hour. You have no doubt that the man will be charged a life sentence, even if it was his only kill.
Now you're in the court case hearing the lawyers argue back and forth. The judge sits between them, high up on his throne, with his eyes squinted as he listens to both sides. Finally the truth comes to light, as apparent as day. There are no more places to hide for the murderer in question. His faults have been exposed.
Now it's finally the judge's turn to speak. You've watched all this time, this awful excuse for a human being rationalizing away the crimes he's committed and it's just been enough to keep you in your own seat with your mouth shut. You have complete trust in the judge.
The judge stands up and looks at the murderer in question. He says "I am a merciful and kind judge, abounding in loving kindness, and I forgive you. You are free to go, go in peace."
WHAT?! You stand up in outrage. "It's not YOUR RIGHT to forgive him!" You scream at the judge. "I'M THE VICTIM HERE!!!!" You can't believe your ears or the audacity of a judge that thinks he has a right to "forgive" someone knowing full well all the wrongs they've committed. But of course he suffered none of it. YOU did.
See in order to love you must also hate, because if you hate justice you have no love for those who were wronged.
So many people act like God is this all powerful, but a completely incompetent to rule God of peace. This whole time you imagined yourself as the victim, but the Bible says that WE are the criminals. WE ate of the tree of good and evil and brought evil into the world. Look around. Death, disease, agony, so many people like to blame it on God but you know who brought those things into the world? We did. God made a perfect world and yes, somehow we screwed all that up with one decision. What kind of a God can be in charge of this world, so full of agony and pain, we ask? The one that had enough love to give human beings a choice to love him back, that's who. You do know that love isn't love if there's no choice right? Sure we could all be mindless robots, following God and "loving" him in the most superficial sense you can imagine. But I think we can all agree that a love forced is not a love at all. Even if God gave us the feelings to go with it, how satisfying would that be to God, knowing that He had to give us those feelings?
What does this have to do with the court case, you ask? Well, lots. See, so many people like the idea of a Loving God but they get all ruffled when you start talking about justice and consequences. We feel ruffled with anger when we hear of a God in the Old Testament who told the Israelites to slay entire cities.
What if I told you that those cities were cities of criminals and rebels?
Although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man-and birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things. Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshipped the creature rather than the Creator (Romans 1:21-25).
The Bible says that they were. The Bible doesn't say that God commanded the Israelite to slay entire cities and villages of innocents. In fact these people knew that God existed, they had seen the terrors that God unleashed on Egypt. Yet, despite that, they continued worshiping idols, committing adultery, etc. God even delayed their punishment when he says "For the sins of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure." In other words, God was patient even in their wickedness. Generations before the Israelites took over Israel, God told Abraham that that would happen.
"12 As the sun was setting, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a thick and dreadful darkness came over him. 13 Then the Lord said to him, “Know for certain that for four hundred years your descendants will be strangers in a country not their own and that they will be enslaved and mistreated there. 14 But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves, and afterward they will come out with great possessions. 15 You, however, will go to your ancestors in peace and be buried at a good old age. 16 In the fourth generation your descendants will come back here, for the sin of the Amorites has not yet reached its full measure.”
~Genesis 15: 12-16
As you can see, God did not demand their utter destruction until their sins had "reached their full measure." Meaning not until they reached the climax of their sins did he order their destruction. It was as much their own punishment as it was to serve as a witness to Israel that God would not tolerate their sins or pagan rituals as it was to give them land. God did not order the destruction of innocents. After all, Abraham himself tested God when he asked if God would destroy a city with only 10 righteous people in it had thousands of others been utterly wicked. God said no.
Then he said, “May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?”
He answered, “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.”
These people were not innocent. Their sins were stacked and heaped against them for generations, each generation more wicked than the last.
Anyway, like the unjust judge in the court room, do we WANT a God that flicks his fingers and their sins are forgiven? Yet they go on doing abhorrent things without remorse. That's not justice, and that's not love.
What happens to a child who is never punished for the things he does? He grows into a tyrant. He runs all over his parents as they give into his demands without a "no" and if a "no" is to be found, never a consequence or discipline to back it up, so the child never takes the "no" seriously. He'll just run all over his parents. Is that really the kind of God we want?
"What about all the pain?" You ask. "Why can't He just take away all the pain in the world?"
Do you know what that entails? Any creature with choice and free will has the option to do terrible things. If you don't want pain in the world, you have to take away free will, and with that, love.
Do we want to be robots with no freedom, if at that point we even knew what freedom was or could even comprehend such a thing? Or does love shine all the brighter when we see what love is not? Would the relationship between Frodo and Sam in the Lord of the Rings series ever be as strong or as firm or as honourable or as glorious or as beautiful had they never left the Shire and went on in their merry little lives? As terrible as life feels sometimes, especially when our life flips upside down and we don't think we can even last another second of agony, nevermind if we're unlucky enough to live long enough to feel more of it. But we look at how Frodo collapsed and could not go on, and Sam said "I can't carry it for you Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you." The most beautiful part of the whole movie could not have happened if the two hobbits never left the shire because everything was happy and perfect just the way it is. Their relationship to each other might have been good. But it would NEVER carry the same depth in a perfect world as it was if plagued by hardships and pain. Nothing tests and teases out real love quite like hardships do. You might think what you have is love-until you go through something rough and find all your friends abandoning you.
When God gave us a choice, He knew full well we would choose our own demise. Yet He went through with it anyway. Could the above situation be a reflection as to why?
The mystery remains. We don't always know WHY God does what He does, but we do know it's ALWAYS for a greater purpose. A purpose we may not always grasp but one that God promises is so much bigger than the pain. And although in the moment it can be downright impossible to imagine such a thing, when pain can feel so huge and all consuming and like it's all that exists... the stars shine all the brighter within the darkness.
Suffice to say that we turned ourselves into criminals against God. Since God is perfect and holy, He cannot, I say CANNOT, not WILL NOT, but CANNOT tolerate evil. So many people say "Why couldn't God just flick His fingers and forgive us without having to die on the cross?"
Here we came back to the unjust Judge who says "You're free to go, go in peace." To the murderer. We were all born in sin. When you hold a baby and you're wearing a necklace, and with its total lack of maturity and self control as we know, babies do not have any self control to begin with, that baby makes multiple unsuccessful attempts to grab that necklace off your neck because it is not strong enough or because you are holding him/her back. But if that baby were given the full strength of a man, know with certainty that whether or not you were his own mother, he would rip that necklace off of your neck and walk off with it over your dead body if you got in the way or if you tried to keep it from him.
Human beings are born in sin and the only thing that keeps us from committing atrocities like this are learned behaviours. You don't have to teach a child to lie, they're born doing so instantly. If a child sees his parents threatening and screaming at each other and hitting each other, if he had no other influences in his life, it is a given that that child would also learn to hit and scream at his siblings. There is no born "goodness" in a human that would make a baby stop and withhold ripping that necklace off of his mother's neck, despite being too young to know what sin even is.
You may say that he doesn't know any better because he has not yet matured. Why that is precisely what I'm saying. In our most helpless, feeble state, we are wicked beasts. Isn't that sad? What keeps our wickedness in check?
Well nothing, frankly. Society deems anything that "hurts someone" as being a criminal activity. Otherwise, what you're doing can't be wrong if it doesn't hurt anyone. But can we say that this is always the case? Is it true that only things that hurt other people or animals or, I guess, the earth, bad? Everything else goes?
"Well no." You say. "If it hurts you too, it's also bad."
Well why is that? Why is it if you want to hurt yourself its bad to do so? It's not hurting anyone else and it's not against your own morals to do so to yourself, so then, if I take some weird enjoyment out of running knives down my skin, why is that a bad thing? After all, wounds heal, it's not like you're killing yourself right? Other people aren't going to suffer for your loss. And if they do maybe they should mind their own business, right?
Ok so I'm getting off topic now but I think most of us would agree that it's not so simple as "if it doesn't hurt anyone it must be okay." I mean look, sin ALWAYS hurts someone. ALWAYS. It may not be apparent to start off with but someone, if not multiple someones, will always come away hurt.
After all things can hurt us without us even knowing it. There is short term damage and then there is long term damage. And there is physical damage, emotional damage, and spiritual damage. Not all damage that is done to us is always observably apparent. The famous phrase “It’s not hurting anyone so it’s ok.” Doesn’t stand in the longhaul. There are things that damage us, sometimes beyond repair, further up the road and we just don’t realize it till we get there. And it's often the things that take the longest that do the most damage. We need a person who knows the full extent of the side effects of sin to actually tell us what’s safe and what isn’t because we don’t even know. Just because something feels good in the present doesn’t mean it will later down the road. Imagine finding alcohol for the first time in your life. Imagine how amazing it makes you feel. What if no one before you had ever experienced it before? You might say in the beginning it causes no harm, that it makes people feel good. But over time you might notice some changes. You might notice that people can’t put it down. You might notice people start getting addicted to it. You might notice that everyone around you is now an alcoholic. They fall into poverty, they’re just a shadow of their former selves and you can hardly recognize them anymore. Are these really the same people you grew up with? What happened?
Well as it turns out, they actually were hurting themselves. It’s just that nobody knew it.
That’s a physical example, and physical examples are the easiest examples to come up with because everyone can see them. But there are damaged things that go deeper than the physical, damages that happen, invisible to the eye. These damages can go even deeper than on emotional levels. They can leak into our spiritual souls and completely destroy us.
And all the while we might not even notice. We might go on, merry making even as we destroy ourselves. Overconsumption of alcohol is a classic example. People are having fun and merry making right up to their death.
Humans are born in this state. Humans are automatically born sick. No one is born innocent, nobody has a first “sin.” Nobody even knows when we start. It’s woven into who we are. We’re all tainted because of Adam’s curse. Only Adam was completely free of any sinful bias running through his veins. The rest of us, from the moment we’re all born, have a sin seeking bias. Open minded people? More like open minded to all the creative ways to sin that we possibly can, but not very open minded to all the righteous ways we could honour God. We may not always feel it or know of it, but getting pleasure out of disobeying pure and good laws is in our nature. And then we try to justify that what we are doing is actually what is good, and that we get to say what is good.
What kind of God would you want for your condition? A loving God who does nothing but flicks his fingers and forgives you while you, having no knowledge or conscienceness of just how hell-bent you are, go on in your ways, ever justifying them as being good or blaming it on others?
A person in love with sin says "That is exactly what I want!" And are content to ignore the destruction that sin causes, visible or hidden. Or maybe some people are not ok with visible destruction but are perfectly content with invisible destruction. Everytime you excuse a sin as "not hurting anyone" you are essentially saying that you are fine with the invisible destruction of a person's soul.
If we were the victim in that court room we wouldn’t stand for that kind of judge. See you don’t just sin against your fellow humans when you do things, but you sin against God Himself and against the earth He created for you. Everytime you do something with something that is not used as its intended, or do something that you are told not to do, you’re disrupting the created order. And though there’s plenty of greviences in the world even without us, what, with the animals killing each other and volcanoes blowing up, tsunamis, and floods, well we brought those things with us too. We are like a dog that came to another country carrying the plague and wiping out everything around us. The germs are within our very soul. We were born in sin, we live in sin, and we die in sin. What kind of God would just sit by like that unjust judge and just say “I forgive you, you are free to go. Do what you will.”
Go ahead and keep causing destruction.
All of this has to stop. We don’t even know how bad it is and that actually testifies just to how blind with evil we are. We are so wicked we don’t even see what we’re doing as wicked.
There’s a problem with a perfect Justice though. That murderer in the court room knows he’s screwed. There will be no pardon for the things he’s done. That man is going to rot in jail with no hope of escape.
Here’s the problem. As much as we’re all victims of sin, we’re also all the cause of it. Who can you point fingers at when everyone around you-including you-are to blame? “Well __________ did WORSE things than me so he’s to blame.”
No matter if _______ did worse things than you does that mean you get to go off innocent. That’s not how the court system works. If you had any part of it you get the consequences that come with it. You may not get a life sentence in jail like the other guy, but you’ll lose a good portion of your life in jail too.
The difference is that our lives are so finite and short. When we sin against an eternal God, we get eternal consequences. Yet we are not eternal creatures. At least not so far as our bodies go. We ended our lifespan short. Yet the soul is eternal, even if our bodies are not. This means that if an eternal soul sins against an eternal being, that soul receives an eternal punishment.
Hell isn’t the same as jail. Although they share similarities like how they are both meant to keep criminals separate from society so that they can’t continue resisting it, it’s (usually) quite temporary and that’s where the similarities end.
Hell is eternal because our souls are eternal and our souls need somewhere that is eternal to go. Even if you only sinned once in your life, as impossible as that is, you still would not be able to face God. Against a Perfect being, your tainted and imperfect soul could not stand. Wickedness and Goodness must be separated. Like oil and water they cannot, for long, exist together. Why would you go to hell for one sin? Because one sin tainted your ENTIRE soul, and like a little yeast, effects the entire loaf of bread. It’s not like a sunflower seed, that you accidentally dropped in your dough that you can just pick out and everything will be okay again. It gets absorbed into every part of you until it is a thing that is impossible to get rid of unless the entire batch were thrown away and you started over again with fresh flour.
But, rather than throw away the entire batch and start fresh, God did something amazing. Though he is a perfect judge, not letting this world run itself so that people could do whatever they wished without consequence, He also had enough kindness on us not to just wipe us out entirely and start over.
Someone has to pay for every bad thing you do. Were it you, one sin alone could put you in hell for eternity because of the nature of sin and how it cannot stand in the midst of God and how it corrupts our entire being. The ONLY solution, were it not for throwing out the batch and starting new again with a new race would be to use a scapegoat to direct the sins towards instead. Imagine a loaded gun and the trigger has already been pulled. You can’t stop that bullet, it’s way too late for that, but you can direct the blow somewhere else than from where you originally intended.
Well the moment Adam and Eve sinned that trigger was pulled, and the rest of life is like a slow motion movie towards our demise. All of mankind is in line with that bullet and we can’t move fast enough to get out of the way.
Maybe that’s a horrible example but I hope you got the point. God had to direct our punishment somewhere else if He didn’t want to start over from scratch and just delete us from this world.
But who could be the scapegoat? Everyone is tainted with sin. The only person who could pay the price and have everyone be free is someone who wasn’t tainted. And only God isn’t tainted. Not only that but He’s the only perfect being who could possibly live through it and see it to the end, if you wanted to get philosophical and talk about how angels have never sinned. However because MAN sinned, a MAN needed to pay for it. This is why God became a man. The sin was against God so only God could take it away. It's like that judge saying he forgave someone but it wasn't HIS right to forgive because he wasn't the victim. There are multiple victims of sin. But you know who the sin is ALWAYS against?
What was the most agonizing thing on the cross after all? It wasn’t crucifixion. No, plenty of the disciples went through their own crucifixion, some upside down! So, compared to that, Jesus’s crucifixion was a walk in the park if we were to say his punishment was crucifixion alone.
No, Jesus, the only person to have ever done so, was separated from God. Even when we are relationally separated from God we are never separated completely from God. God is ever present and ever here even when we don’t acknowledge His existence.
Jesus was separated from God. Completely. The most agonizing thing Christ went through was the moment He cried out “My father why have you forsaken me?” He wasn’t talking about the pain of having nails biting into his hands and having his lungs fill with blood. It's true that cricifixion is one of the most painful deaths out there, but that wasn't what Jesus feared most when he was sweating drops of blood in the Garden the night before. I mean come on, some of his disciples went to their grave singing and dancing, yet Jesus was sweating with despair and fear the night before in the garden. Was he really terrified of the pain? More so even than his disciples?
Somehow, through all that physical pain on the cross, the thing that made Him despair was being forsaken by God, the rest was extra pain but it wasn't the main event of torture to Jesus.
It speaks volumes about the pain of being completely removed from God, if that agony alone overcomes the physical pain of something as painful as crucifixion.
It says Hell is something to truly be afraid about. If crucifixion is less painful than that agonizing separation that is literally impossible for us to imagine or understand because no one has ever been completely separated from God except Jesus.
But that is what we choose when we reject God. When we reject God, the only other place for us to reside is a place outside of God. And that is the only place available. So many people say that God can’t be loving because He puts people in hell. If you ask me, we put ourselves in hell. Where else are you going to go when you reject God? There’s only two choices. If you reject God you reject heaven with God. And if you reject God you reject all goodness because all goodness comes from God. When you reject God you reject all that He is, and all that He has made, as well as all that you are, because He’s your maker. There is literally nowhere else for you to go.
What kind of God would you have if not this one? A God who bends more to your own will, a God knows infinitely more than you do or could ever understand, yet stoops down to do what you want with your own limited expanse of knowledge and understanding?
What more would you have? God says through Jesus we have everything. God says if He did not even spare His Own Son from us, He won't spare anything else that's good from us either. So why would you want anything else? What more could you want? Is your sin really so enjoyable that it's of far more worth than being heirs of God and taking part in everything that is pleasurable and good and righteous? Righteousness IS pleasurable. God is a God of pleasure if you're on His good side. Though everyone goes through trials it is for their good. In the end once this test is over, we will get far more than we have ever imagined. What else could you possibly want?
Yes I agree I want the pain to end NOW. I want the test to be over NOW. I want heaven to come FASTER. But perhaps that is the only thing I would change. And to that God says this:
9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
~2 Peter 3:9
God doesn't end it all now because so many people would go to Hell. We're like the Amorites that God held off punishing until they reached their "full measure." There are still many of us who will turn to God in the final days, who, if God ended everything now, would go straight to Hell. We are all enduring and waiting for their sakes. To come around. God is patient, we can be too. Or are we so selfish as to say "End it all now!" Knowing many of us out there will never make it to heaven were God to end it early?
Even so God cannot wait forever, and those set on rejecting God, some of them, there will never be enough time allotted to them to turn.
So what more of God do you want?
Or would you like to be God Himself so you can make a better world? Can you judge more righteously? Can you balance that out with the exact amount of mercy to make you a good God? Or is it that the moment you became God you would actually understand what it is to be God. That to be God is to be so much greater with knowledge and understanding than the finite humans you made that demand so much of things they don’t understand.
Because there’s many ways for wickedness to thrive, but only one way for righteousness to reign.
And only God can do it.
A lot of my theories/explanations are inspired by these people, if you want to get into their works, they're excellent:
For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.
2 I said to myself, “Come now, I will test you with pleasure to find out what is good.” But that also proved to be meaningless. 2 “Laughter,” I said, “is madness. And what does pleasure accomplish?”
I denied myself nothing my eyes desired;
I refused my heart no pleasure.
My heart took delight in all my labor,
and this was the reward for all my toil.
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done
and what I had toiled to achieve,
everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind;
nothing was gained under the sun.
I saw that wisdom is better than folly,
just as light is better than darkness.
The wise have eyes in their heads,
while the fool walks in the darkness;
but I came to realize
that the same fate overtakes them both.
15 Then I said to myself,
“The fate of the fool will overtake me also.
What then do I gain by being wise?”
I said to myself,
“This too is meaningless.”
For the wise, like the fool, will not be long remembered;
the days have already come when both have been forgotten.
Like the fool, the wise too must die!
17 So I hated life, because the work that is done under the sun was grievous to me. All of it is meaningless, a chasing after the wind. 18 I hated all the things I had toiled for under the sun, because I must leave them to the one who comes after me. 19 And who knows whether that person will be wise or foolish? Yet they will have control over all the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort and skill under the sun. This too is meaningless. 20 So my heart began to despair over all my toilsome labor under the sun.
A Time for Everything
3 There is a time for everything,
and a season for every activity under the heavens:
a time to be born and a time to die,
a time to plant and a time to uproot,
a time to kill and a time to heal,
a time to tear down and a time to build,
a time to weep and a time to laugh,
a time to mourn and a time to dance,
a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
a time to search and a time to give up,
a time to keep and a time to throw away,
a time to tear and a time to mend,
a time to be silent and a time to speak,
a time to love and a time to hate,
a time for war and a time for peace.
13 Better a poor but wise youth than an old but foolish king who no longer knows how to heed a warning.
Whoever loves money never has enough;
whoever loves wealth is never satisfied with their income.
This too is meaningless.
As goods increase,
so do those who consume them.
And what benefit are they to the owners
except to feast their eyes on them?
The sleep of a laborer is sweet,
whether they eat little or much,
but as for the rich, their abundance
permits them no sleep.
7 A good name is better than fine perfume,
and the day of death better than the day of birth.
It is better to go to a house of mourning
than to go to a house of feasting,
for death is the destiny of everyone;
the living should take this to heart.
Frustration is better than laughter,
because a sad face is good for the heart.
The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure.
It is better to heed the rebuke of a wise person
than to listen to the song of fools.
Like the crackling of thorns under the pot,
so is the laughter of fools.
This too is meaningless.
Extortion turns a wise person into a fool,
and a bribe corrupts the heart.
The end of a matter is better than its beginning,
and patience is better than pride.
Do not be quickly provoked in your spirit,
for anger resides in the lap of fools.
Do not say, “Why were the old days better than these?”
For it is not wise to ask such questions.
Wisdom, like an inheritance, is a good thing
and benefits those who see the sun.
Wisdom is a shelter
as money is a shelter,
but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it.
The quiet words of the wise are more to be heeded
than the shouts of a ruler of fools.
Wisdom is better than weapons of war,
but one sinner destroys much good.
Do not revile the king even in your thoughts,
or curse the rich in your bedroom,
because a bird in the sky may carry your words,
and a bird on the wing may report what you say.
As you do not know the path of the wind,
or how the body is formed[a] in a mother’s womb,
so you cannot understand the work of God,
the Maker of all things.
Sow your seed in the morning,
and at evening let your hands not be idle,
for you do not know which will succeed,
whether this or that,
or whether both will do equally well.
12 Remember your Creator
in the days of your youth,
before the days of trouble come
and the years approach when you will say,
“I find no pleasure in them”—
before the sun and the light
and the moon and the stars grow dark,
and the clouds return after the rain;
when the keepers of the house tremble,
and the strong men stoop,
when the grinders cease because they are few,
and those looking through the windows grow dim;
when the doors to the street are closed
and the sound of grinding fades;
when people rise up at the sound of birds,
but all their songs grow faint;
when people are afraid of heights
and of dangers in the streets;
when the almond tree blossoms
and the grasshopper drags itself along
and desire no longer is stirred.
Then people go to their eternal home
and mourners go about the streets.
Remember him—before the silver cord is severed,
and the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
and the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it.
“Meaningless! Meaningless!” says the Teacher.[a]
“Everything is meaningless!”
Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the duty of all mankind.
For God will bring every deed into judgment,
including every hidden thing,
whether it is good or evil.
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"If the whole universe has no meaning, we should never have found out that it has no meaning: just as, if there were no light in the universe and therefore no creatures with eyes, we should never know it was dark. Dark would be without meaning."
~ C. S. Lewis, Mere Christianity
Codes written by pedreii, and rewritten and edited extensively by my husband.
Reasons for my Faith
-First off I put my beliefs on my page to invite discussion for those who are interested but mostly to express myself as a person, not to make you feel judged and to stir up trouble. If you feel intimidated by my beliefs, I understand. Nobody says we have to have a discussion about it or that you have to support what I believe. I typically don't start conversations unless I see that someone else is being slandered unjustly for their beliefs and I try to show the truth of the issue, or unless someone else starts the conversation first.
I feel like if I told people I'm an INFJ that should be answer enough to who I am as a person and what to expect from me, but since we take up less than 1% of the population I'm guessing most people aren't very familiar with our personality types at all...basically if you want to know anything about me just go look up "INFJ personality type" on Google and that's really all you'll need to know. You'll learn that we long for deep connections with people, and despite having strong beliefs, we really don't like controversy or arguing with people for the sake of arguing. We don't like to disagree with people either but life deems that impossible with all the alternating viewpoints so that's just the way it is and it doesn't mean we can't be friends or can't get along even if we're at completely separate sides of the spectrum on everything we stand on.
-Therefore I am open to civil and respectful discussion on all of my beliefs. I believe God created man in His likeness, and therefore all of mankind has intrinsic value, which is not based on what he does or what he believes. If you know this about me, you will know that therefore I do not hate anyone who sees the world differently than I do and I am more than willing to have a civil conversation about our disagreements. Please send me a note if you are up for a discussion about it.
-I believe the Bible is the infallible Word of God. Even though men wrote it, it was God who orchestrated its creation, and it was the Holy Spirit through man who wrote it. I believe everything in the Bible is 100% true. Though hard to believe for many, the Bible is actually the "The Most Reliable Historical Document of All Time." This is a fact, not an empty statement. While many assume the Bible is full of copying errors because of the proverbial “telephone game,” the historic reality is quite the opposite. The Bible contains real people proven to exist, real places, real events, etc. Even things initially "proven" to be wrong in archeology were later proved to be right in later archeological discoveries. I recommend watching the tv show "Exodus" on how archeology works and how it supports the Exodus in the Bible. So even if you don't believe in God and all the spiritual stuff that goes on in it, if you looked at the Bible purely from a historical standpoint, it is THE most reliable document in history. But don't believe me, read these claims for yourself by actual notable people:
I highly recommend reading the book "How We Got the Bible" by Neil R. Lightfoot. He goes into tremendous detail about how scholars such as himself translate Bibles, starting at the very first Bible translation from Wycliff and leading up to the latest versions. He explains differences between "word for word" and "meaning for meaning" translations, as well as "inferior" and "superior" scrolls that have contributed over the years. There is a misunderstanding among a LOT of people that the Bible has a lot of "errors," but according to scholars such as Neil R. Lightfoot, this is highly exaggerated. The newer translations do not have errors like the old ones do, and that is of course because the old versions were based on inferior scrolls that were not as close to the source as the ones we have now. The errors are also so minor that they do not change any of the essential messages and are more so about nitpicking words than about actual meanings. And of course, The Dead Sea Scrolls, which are the most superior texts architects have found thus far (because of how old and how intact they are compared to the others we used in the past) have contributed to the making of new translations that are more accurate. Don't believe anyone who tells you that the "King James Version" is the only "true version." Actually, the King James is the Bible riddled with the most errors. Of course none of these errors are serious enough to lead anyone astray, but since the King James Version was translated from the Vatican, rather than the original scrolls, it is honestly not the best version available on the market today. Translation of a translation is not the most genuine book, you're better off with reading translations from the source.
-And of course, most importantly, I am alive today because of God and serve as His witness. Despite many of my beliefs being extremely controversial and offensive to many, though I do not wish to make enemies, I can't denounce my God and what He has commanded me to do in order to spare people's feelings. Please understand that this is under no hatred on my part. But if you choose to see me that way despite my claims, you are free to think whatever you like about me. When push comes to shove, I must choose to obey. The Bible talks about jumping for joy when people insult and persecute you because of following God. And so even though it hurts, God is known for "working all things to the good of His children." (Romans 8:28)
-If anyone questions why I believe in God, know that most of my beliefs were not spoonfed to me. Rather, I wrestled and struggled with God through many dark dark years, those dark years where I was so severely depressed that suicide was an increasingly appealing option for me. To this day I still have bouts of chronic depression, but God always comes alongside me in my darkest moments and brings me to the light. Suffice to say, that literally the only reason why I am still here today is because God Himself intervened and wrestled my rebellious thoughts into submission. Since then I have tasted of His goodness, and see flickers of His promises. No matter what anyone says, I know God exists. All the "science" in the world could not disprove it to me, as I have met Him myself and had his Divine power save my life. Lots of people like to accuse me that I'm blind, but my story is anything but shallow. Your only two options are to call me a lunatic or to say that I am telling the truth. For anyone who is more interested in knowing the longer story to that, note me and I would be delighted to talk about my testimony. But it would honestly take up like 20 pages in a Word Document if I explained it all right here.
Now I am putting these down because for the most part society advocates for them, and this list is by no means exhaustive. Like please don't accuse me of putting these as higher sins than other sins just because I can't write down every single sin in the world. That's why I'm choosing to focus on these ones specifically. Because for example everyone knows that lying is wrong, so do I really have to mention that one? I'm choosing to address these ones specifically because Society is mostly ok or in support of them. And I feel convicted that I must put how the Bible views these practices despite the overwhelming cultural push for these things.
So many people claim I translate the Bible "too literally." While I admit that it's impossible for me to know absolutely everything there is to know about the Bible, I am not ignorant on the matter. I like to spend a good portion of my days researching theology, reading commentaries, scoring through alternating interpretations and finding the one which makes the most contextual sense. I may not be a scientist, but I do know quite a bit about the Bible when it comes to the context by which things were written. I did go to Bible school after all to study the Bible, and though I dropped out early due to lack of funds and me getting sick, it has not stopped my devotion to studying my favourite book. However life is about learning and nobody is ever finished learning.
My Beliefs on Controversial Issues
1. I am pro-life. I believe all children, in all stages during pregnancy have just as much intrinsic worth as all those who have been born. The Bible says that before we were even born that God knew us, and that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made" when we were woven together in our mother's womb. Therefore I do not support abortion, and believe it is a grievous sin against God and our fellow man. However, I understand how hard it is to deal with an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy, so I would like you to know your options. Please, don't hesitate to note me if you are struggling with this and I can help you consider your options. Please note that due to the differences in places we live I cannot provide links on where to get help that is relevant to you unless you note me about your whereabouts. But here are some general options you should know about:
2. I believe that gender is binary and that you cannot change the sex you were born with. To quote a few things from the "American College of Pediatricians:"
"A high 72 percent discordance rate among identical twins proves that no one is born pre-determined to have gender dysphoria let alone pre-determined to identify as transgender or transsexual. To be clear, twin studies alone establish that the “alternative perspective” of an “innate gender identity” trapped in the wrong body is in fact an ideological belief that has no basis in rigorous science.
Disorders of sex development (DSDs), including but not limited to androgen insensitivity syndrome and congenital adrenal hyperplasia, affect less than 0.02 percent of the population.20 These disorders are all medically identifiable deviations from the human binary sexual norm. Unlike individuals with a normal genotype and hormonal axis who identify as “transgender,” those with DSDs have an innate biological condition. Sex assignment in individuals with DSDs can be complex and depends on a variety of genetic, hormonal, and physical factors. Nevertheless, the 2006 consensus statement of the Intersex Society of North America did not endorse DSD as a third sex.21
The largest transsexual twin study to date examines 110 twin pairs and was published by Dr. Milton Diamond in the May 2013 issue of the International Journal of Transgenderism.19 Table 5 documents that the number of monozygotic twin pairs concordant for transsexualism is greater than that of dizygotic twin pairs. This suggests a possible biological predisposition for gender dysphoria. The most significant data entry, however, is the low number of concordant monozygotic twin pairs. Only 21 monozygotic twin pairs out of a total of 74 monozygotic pairs, or 28 percent, were concordant for transsexualism; the remaining 72 percent of identical twins were discordant for transsexualism.
This means that environmental factors trump any biological predisposition. Environmental factors account for nearly 75 percent of what causes transsexualism in one twin and not in the other; and since identical twins develop in the same uterus, non-shared post-birth experiences are likely to have a greater influence than the prenatal environment. A high 72 percent discordance rate among identical twins proves that no one is born pre-determined to have gender dysphoria let alone pre-determined to identify as transgender or transsexual.
A teleological binary view of human sexuality, in contrast, is compatible with biological reality. The norm for human design is to be conceived either male or female. Sex chromosome pairs “XY” and “XX” are genetic determinants of sex, male and female, respectively. They are not genetic markers of a disordered body or birth defect. Human sexuality is binary by design with the purpose being the reproduction of our species. This principle is self-evident. Barring one of the rare disorders of sex development (DSD), no infant is “assigned” a sex or a gender at birth. Sex declares itself anatomically in utero and is clearly evident and acknowledged at birth.
The norm for human development is for an individual’s thoughts to align with physical reality; for an individual’s gender identity to align with biologic sex. People who identify as “feeling like the opposite sex” or “somewhere in between” or some other category do not comprise a third sex. They remain biological men or biological women. GD is a problem that resides in the mind not in the body. Children with GD do not have a disordered body—even though they feel as if they do. Similarly, a child’s distress over developing secondary sex characteristics does not mean that puberty should be treated as a disease to be halted, because puberty is not, in fact, a disease. Likewise, although many men with GD express the belief that they are a “feminine essence” trapped in a male body, this belief has no scientific basis.
Identical twin studies establish that post-natal environmental factors exert a significant influence over the development of GD and transgenderism. Data also reflects a greater than 80% resolution rate among pre-pubertal children with GD.
Neuroscience clearly documents that the adolescent brain is cognitively immature and lacks the adult capacity needed for risk assessment prior to the early to mid-twenties.38 There is a serious ethical problem with allowing irreversible, life-changing procedures to be performed on minors who are too young to give valid consent themselves. This ethical requirement of informed consent is fundamental to the practice of medicine, as emphasized by the U.S. Department of Health & Human Services website: “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.”39 Moreover, when an individual is sterilized, even as a secondary outcome of therapy, lacking full, free, and informed consent, it is a violation of international law.40"
~Michelle Cretella, MD
The bible states that God "created them male and female." And that Eve was created from one of Adam's ribs. Men and Women were meant to complement each other. They are both equal heirs of God, with different roles to symbolize the different characteristics of God. You can get more into the Greek and context here (there is too much information for me to store it here):
If you struggle with gender dysphoria, I ask that you consider your options besides surgery and/or hormone therapy. Many who have undergone surgery have not been happy with the results, as it does not fix the root of the problem. Please do read this link on the many pitfalls of surgery. It is written by a Endocrinologist and has some very helpful information for those who are considering going through with this.
3. I do not support homosexual marriage, not because I want homosexuals to be miserable for the rest of their lives out of loneliness or because of any predisposed preferences I have but because the Bible's definition of marriage is different than society's is. Since I believe that it is God who instituted marriage, not man, God gets to set the scale for what a marriage is. Dating may be a social construct, but marriage is not. In Ephesians 5 the Bible says that marriage was created to reflect the relationship between God and His bride; The Church. It goes on further to explain that God created men and women differently to represent different aspects of this relationship and how they compliment each other into forming this image. Where men are said to represent Christ and love His wife as His own body and give His life for her, like what Christ did for the Church. And women are to respect their husbands as the Church looks up to Christ to guide her. These representations are not interchangeable, as it is built into the core of who we are as human beings. Marriage is not merely a legal contract between two people who love each other, but goes so much deeper. The Bible says we join as one body and one spirit and that we are the very reflections and shadows of heavenly things. In Ephesians Paul calls marriage a great mystery beyond human comprehension. Marriage is, in a sense, the reflection of a bridge from earth to heaven. This is also why "God hates divorce." Divorce shatters the image that marriage is to reflect the love between Christ and His Church. It takes what is meant to witness to what is most holy and destroys that image.
However don't take that to mean that I think abusive marriage partners should stay together. I do not agree with that at all and I urge you, if you are in an abusive marriage, especially if you are in danger, I plea with you to run and seek help. Don't even hesitate, my friend, please just get yourself to safety. Don't you dare try to excuse it away.
If you are a Christian and you agree with everything I've stated here about marriage, but you struggle with homosexuality, Living Out is a great resource, written by homosexuals for homosexuals. They know what you're going through and they want to help.
For those of you who do not believe in God or deny the Biblical definition of what marriage is, know that I'm not out to make you straight. I'm out to lay the gospel before you. Whether you accept or reject it is not up to me, and I am certainly not here to shove anything down anybody's throat. I carry no ill will or change of attitude towards you whether you are gay or straight. All of mankind are under the curse of sin and I am by no means elevating you to be worse than literally everyone else in the world. Despite the fact that we're all sinners God died for us, not so that we could miserably follow Him but so that we would have fullness of joy and life, free from the sin that once enslaved us.
People like to go around saying I hate people just because I don't support a particular lifestyle. That is just not true, and you are deceiving yourself if you think I have to support everything you believe in in order to love you. How many family members can you think of where you agree with every life choice or even moral issue they make or what they believe to be right? Does that mean you look down on them and hate them for it? I would hope not, after all, you'd be hard pressed to find a single person who agrees with your entire worldview without disagreeing on even one topic at some point. It doesn't mean we all have to hate each other. You can rest assured that I certainly don't, and will not hate you no matter what background you come from.
4. I do not support sex outside of marriage. The Bible calls this "adultery" even if we are not yet married or dating. From a Christian worldview, the body is seen as the "temple of God" and like how we worship only one God, we give our body only to our husband and wives. According to God you become "one flesh" with your partner. Thus it is God's intention that you stay connected to your husband and wife for as long as you live (except because of adultery or physical abuse).
5. I do not support drunkenness. Because God considers our bodies to be the temple of God, it is wrong to give it over to slavery to its passions and desires. God calls us to be "sober-minded and self controlled." If we have other spirits influencing our decisions, it is hard to be influenced by the Holy Spirit. However I do not believe alcohol in and of itself to be wrong, as Jesus did turn water into wine in one of His miracles. Also the Psalmist says that "wine makes the heart glad." Therefore I believe there is a happy medium between allowing things like wine to influence our emotions, while not abusing it to the point of drunkenness.
6. I am a Dispensationalist Christian. This means that I do not believe the Church replaced the Jews as God's chosen people, but rather, were "grafted into the branches" of God's tree. The remnant of the Jews, those faithful few are still God's chosen, and it is wrong to say that God "divorced" them as some Christians do. Ask yourself, if God divorced Israel, despite making a covenant with Abraham and not letting Abraham sign his own side of the term, thus essentially saying that no matter what Abraham's people did, God would remain faithful. If God then, did not remain faithful, then He is a liar. And you make Him out to be a liar when you say that He divorced the Jews.
7. I do not support the "God Wants You To Be Rich" mentality that some large mega-churches believe. I believe these churches completely miss the point of what Jesus did for us. Consider the apostles, who died horrifying deaths when they followed Jesus. Were any of these people rich? Yet they were Jesus's beloveds. No, they in fact, gave up their entire way of life and riches to pursue the Kingdom of God and spread the Gospel. Jeremiah, likewise, suffered with depression for most of his life and was hated by His own people. He was forced to live in caves to escape them. Not to mention that Paul says it is better to have just enough to live, but not so much as to turn you away from God and become a slave to your wealth. Remember what Jesus said about the rich man? "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to get to heaven." That isn't to say that money is evil. It is a tool for God's kingdom like all other tools. But when you put all your focus into "God wants me to be rich" you are missing what God actually wants. Human souls are more valuable than riches, or as the Bible puts it "set your treasures in heaven where moths cannot destroy."
8. I do not believe it is possible to be a true Child of God and to continue unrepentant in your sins. Jesus says that you can tell a Christian by his fruits. This of course refers to the entire context of his life. Nobody is perfect, but as a general rule, you should be able to tell if you look at the majority of his life, whether or not he is a true Christian or a false teacher. Do his sins grieve him? Therefore, Christians are called to give up all fleshly desires and to "nail them to the cross." The Bible also keeps telling us to "test ourselves." Do not think that just because you asked God into your heart one time, but then go on continuing in sin without remorse, that you were truly saved by God. God says we are made into "new creatures" when we are saved. That the Holy Spirit comes to rest inside of us and changes our hearts, giving us new desires. Can you identify this in your own life?
9. I believe in Church discipline. That is, I believe that if a person within the church is continuing to sin without remorse, and is pulling the congregation down with him, for the sake of the congregation and for the sake of his own soul, church discipline must be enacted.
10. I believe in Young Earth Creationism. The most important reason being, if evolution did indeed exist, that means that death would have existed before man even sinned. Which would mean that God Himself invented sin. And thus God was unjust to accuse us of bringing it to the planet, and thus would have never needed to die for us as Jesus Christ. However, given the genealogy given in the Bible, starting from Adam and going through the lineage all the way to Jesus's birth we can conclude that Adam was a real person (especially since Jesus referred to him as a real person), and can track when the earth began by looking through the lineage. Nor do I believe science necessarily supports evolution.
Science is based on observation, and the only reliable means of telling the age of anything is by the testimony of a reliable witness who observed the events. To do otherwise is to make a lot of calculations based only on assumption, such as assumptions that things continued as they did without interruption. Since we weren't there we can't make assumptions. There are plenty of science that actually supports a Biblical viewpoint, here are just a few:
-Living DNA in ancient fossils and blood tissue (there's no way those bacteria would still be alive billions of years later)
-The decay in the human genome (the human race gets more and more degraded, there is no evidence that we are evolving to be better in fact we are getting worse, if we really want to be consistent we have to ask ourselves where and why that's the case).
-Mitochondrial Eve suggests all women descended from one woman
-Limited variation in the Y chromosome in the DNA sequence
-Many fossil bones ‘dated’ at many millions of years old are hardly mineralized, if at all. This contradicts the widely believed old age of the earth.
-The worlds oldest living organisms: trees, reflect a thousands of years old earth
-Human beings only figured out that if you put seeds in the ground you get plants 10,000 years ago. The very same statistic claims humans have been around for at least 200,000 years, not ape-humans, literally humans. You're telling me human beings didn't figure out how plants came from seeds till just 10,000 years ago despite living on this earth for the last 200,000 years?
Also if the galaxy was billions of years old:
-The moon should have no volcanic activity since it should have long cooled off billions of years ago
-Uranus and Neptune shouldn't have any magnetic fields...yet they do. Same with Ganymede, Io and Europa.
-Methane should not exist on Titan, yet it does.
-The disappearance and changing of Saturn's rings is inconsistent with what the Big Bang supposes
-Neptune's rings should be smooth, but they're not
-The sun should be 40% brighter than it is
You can read a lot more here:
Answers in Genesis is also a very good resource, written by, yes, REAL Christian scientists. And no, that's not an oxymoron.
Society likes to downplay anyone with a science degree who doesn't support their science theories for how life began but there are lots of Christians out there who made scientific breakthroughs. In fact the Middle Ages and the Church paved the way for science as claimed by James Hannam, PhD in the history of philosophy and science. You can read his awesome book here:
Here's another random fact for you. Do you commonly hear people saying religion causes most of the wars in the world? Did you know that that's just not true?
"According to the Encyclopedia of Wars, out of all 1,763 known/recorded historical conflicts, 123, or 6.98%, had religion as their primary cause.
However, when one subtracts wars waged in the name of Islam (66), the percentage falls to 3.23 percent."
No literally this is the first answer that pops up when you type "What percentage of wars are caused by religion?"
But look at how much good religion has brought to the world too.
The next time you need a hospital, you can thank St. Basil. He was a Christian who invented hospitals.
You can also thank Catholic Monks for inventing universities. Their monasteries, which were created to preserve culture and knowledge eventually became universities.
I'm not saying any of these people were necessarily Christian in their deeper beliefs or necessarily aligned with the Bible. But I AM saying that religion and the belief in a God has driven them to invent things we might have never had otherwise. And yes the above people did these things BECAUSE of their beliefs, not in spite of it. So please, let's throw out the completely false statements about how the world would be better off without religion.
I am more comfortable debating theology than science because I am not a scientist. I went to school to study the Bible, not science. However, I have read some things from both sides on the scientific evidences and am willing to talk about it through notes, provided of course that it's an honest and respectful discussion and you're not simply bringing up a note with me to mock and scoff at me. The biggest problem with debating science is that there are just so many topics to even discuss. I mean look above. I didn't even list a quarter of the things wrong with an Old Earth. And I'm sure according to the other side, they have just as much or even more evidences. Well it would take years just to touch on all of the topics and it could just keep on going and in the end nothing is ever really answered. I tend to leave it up to the people who have spent years and dedicated their life to the field to debate science all the day long. I would prefer to stick to hermetical and Biblical theology since that is what I spend the majority of my life researching and it is far more attainable to discuss one book than probably thousands that have been written by scientists. So if you would like to discuss science with me, please choose one or perhaps two topics to dissect with me, or recommend a book I can research and wrestle with on my own time. It would make a conversation much more productive in the longrun since it is such a vast topic to get into and there are way too many rabbit holes to go down to ever even focus on one thing to get anywhere.
I do not mind talking about any of my beliefs or evidence as long as you remember the following:
1. I do have a life outside of deviantart and especially if you write me a lot of stuff it may take me a while to get back to you and address all your concerns. That's why I highly recommend picking one or two topics and sticking with them before moving onto others so that we can both get on board and really get down into the deep evidence without getting distracted by bunny trails. Honestly this is the only way that I know of to actually properly address an issue.
2. Of courses I'm only interested in having discussions with genuinely honest people. Not interested in answering or wasting time with people who reach out to me just to mock and scoff at me or to shove my face in the dirt or who are trying to get an edge on me so they can go make a status slandering my name. If I suspect you're talking to me out of any malicious intent do not expect a reply.
3. If a discussion has run its course for a while and is not going anywhere, I may not continue the discussion. Like I mentioned earlier I do have a life outside of deviantart and it is often hard for me to juggle my real life with deviantart when we are having really deep and long discussions that take hours for me to do the research and to type an in-depth reply. Also there is just so much research out there it can literally take me years to form an opinion after having a very long discussion with a person, years of researching both sides to see if what you presented is true. This is just not something that can be done instantly in a chat with you. I have literally changed my mind on things I used to believe after years of researching both sides, and yes a THOROUGH research really does take that long. I do not expect these debates to necessarily reach a conclusion, they are more so helpful for bringing to the table things that neither of us knew about until the other brought it up. And although it may take a long time afterward to delve really deep into those issues and maybe in our conversation neither of our minds are changed, but I do not consider it a waste of time to learn something new and to research those things I did not previously know about. Therefore I believe the goal of any debate shouldn't necessarily be to change a person's mind right then and there but to bring alternating viewpoints that can be pondered and researched on the individual's own time in BOTH our journeys to learn the truth behind a certain subject.
Finally if you made it to the bottom of this page, I congratulate you. Not many can put up with my lengthy explanations. If you don't like lengthy explanations I would probably not recommend you start a chat with me on any deeper topics such as the ones listed above as it will probably lead to some really lengthy debate and if you're just not into that, that's perfectly fine. But for me, before I was ever an artist, I was writing since I learned to read and write. Writing is my natural skill, before the age of 12 I had written over 60 hand written novels and stories in my room. I am much more in my element when it comes to writing than with art, as art was something that developed later with much more practice involved. It is far easier for me to write a novel than to write a story that has to fit only in 350 words. I write a lot of stuff because I just don't know how to fully explain myself and all I want to say in one sentence. It's too easy for people to read between the words of short sentences, if experience has taught me anything. The reason why I write so much is so that people do not misunderstand what I'm saying or draw conclusions from a lack of explanation. I swear I'm not trying to overwhelm anybody with my writings lol, I try to explain myself and it just somehow ends up happening.
Thank you again for reading to the bottom of this page even if you didn't agree with a single word I said. I hope you enjoy at least some of what I put out there, if not my writings, then my art. If nothing then have a good day either way, and thanks for stopping by even if it was only a one time thing.
After all, I am God's messenger, not his salesperson.