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Dear Yes on 8 supporters,

Hey there. I’m going to go out on a limb here that most of you are feeling pretty proud of yourselves right now, patting each other on the back for your near victory of 3%. It must feel good to win huh? God knows I would be proud too if I woke up to find that my vote had such an impact on thousands upon thousands of people. I must say, I’d be pretty elated over the defeat of the US’s strides for separation of church and state, the victory over the very things our fore fathers fought and died for –the things our country was founded on, Yes, I have to say, I’d be pretty enthralled with myself for the devastation of an enormous group of people, but I’m not.

I’m not because I voted no to legal discrimination; no to the idea that a religiously founded belief and opinion should have any say in the legal constitution which rules over other people who may not have the same beliefs. I voted no because I felt there was a greater need for human equality and compassion than the whims of an organized religion that practices intolerance and promotes the sub-human treatment of a group of people. I voted no because I could not bring myself to believe in the hypocrisy of a love that would deny people fundamental rights supposedly granted to everyone.

But I suppose that doesn’t matter to you, does it?

Well I hope you’re happy with yourselves now. I hope you can look into the mirror and say how happy you are to emotionally devastate hundreds of thousands of people and their loved ones. I hope you can look in the mirror and say how proud you are to treat another group of people with substandard subhuman notions for reasons they cannot change. And I HOPE you can look at yourself and feel just FINE with the fact that your vote has such emotionally scarring ramifications that people (your neighbors, your coworkers, you family members and possibly friends) may never fully recover from this sort of thing.

I hope you can think about that and smile without flinching.

Take pride in being a bigot, because you are. Disagree? The definition of a bigot is a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. Utterly intolerant, as in, so intolerant that you cannot stand to allow a marriage between two people you don’t even know who you don’t deem acceptable for your definition of marriage.  

And maybe you don’t understand the weight of what you’ve done because you were taught to believe that being different is NOT ok. Or maybe because you never had to fight for the same rights as your neighbor, your fellow US citizen.. your fellow human being.

But that’s no excuse.

What you have done was hurtful and inexcusable.  It was a choice based on unjust fear and selfishness. Fear of what you don’t understand and cannot relate to. Selfishness of worrying over what this means for you, what this might do to YOU or your soul instead of what this means for your fellow man and woman.

And don’t pretend this was for the children because 300 pediatricians told you otherwise. Because of your vote, children who are already being raised by gay parents now have their chance for an economically protected environment ruined. Children who had the chance to be adopted by gay married parents, who OBIVOUSLY wanted them more than their heterosexual birth counterparts, will now suffer as well.

And as for YOUR children…gay marriage was never going to be taught in schools and you knew it. The California super attendant for schools and the Teachers Associations told you so. This was never about church rights, everyone told you otherwise. In fact, just about every large newspaper, major company head, California leader as well our current (Obama) AND past (Clinton) US President told you it was WRONG and you voted for it anyway.

This was never about anyone but you and your fear.

Fear so strong that you would be willing to deny people the right to be above subhuman just to keep yourself “safe”. I have never seen a bigger hypocritical unprecedented discriminatory injustice short of the Rwanda genocide and the Hate crime killings in my time.

And don’t try and console me with domestic partnership because it is NOT the same a marriage. The term “marriage” isn’t just some fluffy term for us to throw around and parade about. It comes with legal power that domestic partnerships don't have Things like. A Domestic Partnership may be dissolved without court ruling under some circumstances. Federal tax returns filed separately. In a Domestic Partnership, you do not receive Social Security, veteran's benefits and pension plan survivor benefits upon death of partner. You're not guaranteed equal benefits from employers. Your insurance isn’t guaranteed to carry. You MUST share common residence.  You're excluded from long-term care benefits. You're not guaranteed family leave to care for ill partner.

Those are just to name a few of the things wrong with Domestic Partnership. Now, would YOU want a domestic partnership instead of a marriage if you knew that the domestic partnership could be dissolved if you ever decided to live under a different roof as your partner for whatever reason (work related or not)?

Would you want to have to wait 7 years in some cases before you’re even granted these simple rights?

I’m going to take a stab at this and say you wouldn’t. So if you wouldn’t revoke your marriage for a domestic partnership (or take a domestic partnership instead of a marriage) then why would you demand that of anyone else? You should never ask someone to do something you, yourself, are not willing to do.

That’s equality.  Justice, liberty and freedom for ALL. Not a few.

How dare you spit in the face of that because of something you feel is a sin.

You want to know what REAL sin is? REAL sin is taking away someone’s free agency – their right to choose.

If you take away someone’s right to choose to keep or not keep their processions (theft), that’s a sin. If you take away someone’s choice to fornicate with you or not (rape), that’s a sin. If you take away someone’s right to choose life or death (murder), that’s a sin.

And if you take away someone’s right to marry for no other good reason than you’re afraid, that’s a sin.

If the churches don’t want to sanctify the marriages, that’s their religious freedom. They don’t have to. If GOD doesn’t want to sanctify the marriages, then he/she won’t. But it is NOT your RIGHT to take away MY rights as a human being because you don’t agree with my life style which ISN’T hurting anyone else.

I have every right to marry who I love within reasonable standards. I have every right be as legally and financially safe as anyone else. I have the right to every one of those marriage privileges as anyone else and it’s being taken away from me. Not because I committed a crime. Not because I gave up my own free agency.

But because of my sexuality, because of something so fundamentally apart of myself that I cannot change it no matter what you say or do. No amount of therapy will change that.

This is human cruelty.

And I love my spouse just as much as the next person does, or should, and I’m proud to call her my wife. I want to tell everyone I’m happily married and I fought hard to be with her. I want the right to say I’m married, to go to the hospital and check the married section instead of having to check the single. To check married on my taxes instead of having to file single. To not HAVE to explain to my employer or anyone else how I can be married but still have to legally claim single.

I want my future children to be safe if something should happen to either of us. I want my possessions, my property, my belongings to be passed on to my spouse, my wife. Yes, I even want my insurance to carry.

And when the time comes for it, I want to be laid next to the one I loved when I am buried.

Now how could that possibly hurt you?


And don’t start your victory dance yet because while you may have succeeded in your cause, thus far, it is far from over. People will not lay down and go quietly when their basic rights are being threatened. People will not stand down when they have something as powerful as love to fight for. And they WILL fight for it. And they will endure it and they will, in the end, out last you.  Because their motive, my motive, is something humanity has been fighting for since its inception. And you cannot stop that.

So everyone who believes what I believe, let’s fight together. Let’s fight for love.

Sincerely,

Mrs. Winter
I'm a wreck. I have no more words than this.
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DyingMarshmallows Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2013
I love how people against gay marriage wip out the "domestic partnership" bullshit. Lets try this on something else in history, so you say oh they don't really need a marriage lets just do something LIKE a marriage like domestic partnership! Well lets try it on women voting. we women don't really need to vote so lets to something LIKE voting, like suggesting! DOESN'T QUITE WORK NOW DOES IT?
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Vulcade Featured By Owner Feb 1, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
tl;dr
Yes I am proud
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giygas1 Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2013
i'm in virginia, and news of this INFURIATED me! i really wish i could help you, mrs. winter, you and your wife deserve the rioght to adopt children, i looked up gays raising children and it turns out(according to my research) parental sexuality does not effect the sexuality of the child, so the 'for the children argument' like this bill is pointless i'm sure my friends will agree with me, mrs. winter, i have concluded my rant in the comments, au revoir
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LeanToThee Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2012
I... I have to share this. When Prop 8 was passed, I was in a difficult place, denying who I really was. I couldn't have voted on this (I was only 16 and didn't live in California), but I wish I could've sent my support. :(
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SafariBear Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Not really my business, since I am not a US citizen, not even living there.
My business, because I am living on this planet, amongst too many idiots, I guess.

I agree with you. Over here in Germany, they also did some placebo marriage thing for the subhumans. They can marry. I think it even has a lot more legal power than what you write up there for your version of the placebo marriage. But it's still not the same.
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012
It's always comforting to hear there are like-minded people all over the world. It gives me hope that someday we, as the human race, can overcome stupidity and move forward as equals.
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SafariBear Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012  Hobbyist Photographer
Hmmmmm, you're an optimist :-D
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2012
Sometimes. It's either that or cry a lot lol
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zezazozo Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2012  Student General Artist
I was honestly shocked when Prop 8 was passed. At the time, I was living in Venice and had been seeing nothing but Anti-Prop 8 picket signs and bumper stickers for months. One of my best friends had come out to his parents only one year prior with no huge repercussions at all within his family or his social life, and my uncle living in Hollywood had just started dating a male model (who he is marrying in Africa next year). The 'yes' option seemed like a joke that was only there to appease the original petitioners.
(I live in the heart of the Bible Belt now -Texas- and god, even the smartest of people can just be so stupid about gay rights!)
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StevenVsTheWorld Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2012
I only support gay marriage of white people. Blackies FUCKOFF
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dagoth-jeff Featured By Owner May 17, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
You must be joking, though it isn't remotely funny.
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner Mar 29, 2012
How senseless.
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pudding510 Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I totally agree with you :(
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planetharmony Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
TESTIFY! WOO 1000% with you! I AGREE!! man you should them in that! yes i a agree! :love: LETS GO LOVE WHO U WANT TO!! YEAH! :love: :love:
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trixief98 Featured By Owner Oct 23, 2011
I'm not ggay but what u say is true u do deserve to have all the right strait men an women do ( I said strait bc I can't spell for shit) god gave us all a choice to do what we want if we are a free nation then they should us all not just gays not just straits but all of us have the freedom to marry who we want no matter what ur r gay or straight give us all the freedom we deserve as a person who lives in a so called free nation so give the gays the right to marry even if I don't like it it is ur right an I will fight along side all of u . Signed MR.DAVIS :)
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MayFlowerxxx Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with everything in this! You should be able to love whoever you want and no one should be allowed to stop it!
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MCRmyFrontlinerx Featured By Owner Aug 30, 2011  Hobbyist Writer
I'm not gay, but I have several friends who are gay or bi and I support them all the way. I think it's ridiculous that people don't accept people into a community because of their sexual orientation.
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juli-chan Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Unfortunately, the people you are talking about use love as an excuse to treat people like crap. God doesn't hate anyone. People hate, and use God as an excuse. It's funny that a religion based on loving and accepting people can be used in such a way. And the sad thing is these people don't realize their actions cause other people to move away from God, which is the very thing they are trying to prevent.

There is no reason to prevent two grown, consenting humans from being together or having the rights everyone else has. It's devastating that we allow our "free" country to be run in such a way. Things that are beautiful and beneficial are deemed illegal just because it's a socially moral no-no based solely on religion and misunderstandings. Which is supposed to be against the law. I guess it's okay when the government does it, though.
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OrangeAPPLZ Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2011
When I saw the vid I cried. I'm not gay but I have no problem with gays. I think my mom has a problem though. I'm not like other 11 year olds, every stupid kid I know hates gay people.
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The-Unavenged Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2011  Professional General Artist
I love this and I agree with you fully. Can you send me the link to the you tube video? I would love to watch it. You can send me a not if you do not want to post it on here.
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Sasunarukitsune Featured By Owner Feb 18, 2011
it give me tears , in france we can't married too , i hope that soon you can be married
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RisetoFall Featured By Owner Jan 30, 2011
I agree with you so much. I live in England and I still think that it is a really bad thing to have happened. You should be able love whoever you want without people getting really annoyed.
What you wrote is really well written and you express everything that I want to in an amazing way.
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Ashkarazi Featured By Owner Oct 16, 2010
Absolutely amazing. You took all of the negative feelings I, and many others, have ever had about legislature like this and put it into something eloquent and heartfelt. Always keep fighting.
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Tsaoman Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010
I'm so sorry for you loss :(

Prop 8 always reminds me of this quote: "The belief in a supernatural source of evil is not necessary. Men alone are quite capable of every wickedness" -Joseph Conrad.

It's truly amazes and disgusts me on what horrible things we're capable of...
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FruitSalad4225 Featured By Owner Sep 23, 2010
Prop 8 gets me :pissedoff:
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Kyuubi-san Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2010
I just wanted to slip a hint that while the Bible may say that two men should never lay together, it never really talks about two women. And, while it touches on not having gay sex or marriage, the Church today doesn't discriminate against Gay people or having what I like to call a 'Heterosexual Life Partner.' /went to Catholic school and knows her shit.

However, while Church and State are technically separated, don't think that Congress isn't biased. Life is biased. And as long as they pocket money, they'll vote on what they believe is right, regardless of the happiness of people like you and me. Unhappy? Move to Denmark. They have legal gay everything. 
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:iconthat-kid-with-a-face:
This is such a moving speech, I love it so much!

I really hope you don't mind but I used some of the lines in your speech for an essay for school. I really do apologize for not asking...but I got an 'A' on the essay!

(the link to it is here: [link] just if you wanna ever read it :D)
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oh shoot...I'm sorry for the double comment. My computer was acting dumb.
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:iconthat-kid-with-a-face:
Hi. This is such a moving speech, and I love it so much.

I really hope you don't mind but I quoted some of your lines in an essay I wrote in school. I gave credit to you and everything. I apologize for not telling you in advance!

(Here is a link to it if you ever get a chance to read it: [link])
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Dakotaw11 Featured By Owner Sep 19, 2010
i saw this on youtube. i almost staeted crying.
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BlackCatMisfortunate Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2010  Student Writer
That was wonderful.
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analillithbar Featured By Owner Aug 20, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Wow! Very well written, heart-felt and high emotional impact. Wonderful use of truth without being demeaning. :clap:
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the-Jefe Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2010
I used to not care about Gays and Lesbians personally I couldn't care less what they do, as long as I didn't hear about it. But when they started attacking my church and trying to desecrate my religion's temples, then I had a problem then I heard about what was happening to kindergarteners in Massachusetts, teaching them that its ok to be gay at 5, well thats just disgusting, otherwise I would have no problem, now its my problem. Im Mormon by the way
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2010
Well I'm sorry you feel that way. Honestly, No one should be desecrating anyone's church regardless or religion or reason. As for Massachusetts, the teacher was simply reading a story and it wasn’t teaching anyone anything. And, as far as I’m concerned, there isn’t anything wrong with being a homosexual outside of purely religious views. It’s nice that you’re a Mormon but don’t use that as a tool to hate on other people. Nothing is more shameful than using a faith as a tool to hurt others.
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the-Jefe Featured By Owner Aug 17, 2010
Who said I hated them? I have a problem now and I used to catch shit at school for it and still do. And it wasn't one teacher it was the whole state and they sent the book home with the kids. I said : im a mormon so people dont ask wh Im pro prop 8.
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Patricia-Otter Featured By Owner Aug 14, 2010  Hobbyist Writer
You're a hundred percent right. If I could vote, I'd have voted no on prop eight. People should be able to marry the people they fall in love with. I want my sister and my friends to have all the same rights as I do.
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ZukoDean Featured By Owner Aug 5, 2010
Wow! I could not agree with you more. I am only 14 and I hold thus belief very close to my heart that gays should beable to marry. I have protested on street corners, argued with my parent's friends and with some of my own friends on this topic, and I cannot say how much I appreciate you writing and posting this. Thank you so much
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EatSoftBacon Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2010
One of the best political rants I have seen on DA. Most political rants on this site are in all honesty complete garbage and just people ranting and crying like a bunch of emo kids about their personal feelings on something. Your rant contained a lot of hard core facts that would hold up in a court case. Such as the part about the education system not teaching about homosexuality in schools which is a fact. Education was NEVER anything to do with gay rights however if I remember correctly the "YES" argument brought up education and children. Also you had all the right information about the difference between a domestic partnership and a marraige. You also presented a good argument for the separation between church and state and that it is a Churches choice not to marry homosexuals under their roofs but that legally gays should be allowed some form of marraige. You obviously put a lot of research into this to come up with all the facts. I am also getting the feeling you are one of the few smart Americans that thinks before you vote and only focuses on the cold hard facts. You do not vote based on raw emotion and you look past all the propaganda and bullshit that is often unfortunately used in political campaigns. For that I have a lot of respect for you my friend.
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2010
Well thank you very much for seeing it that way. Yes, I did do a lot of research and I was pretty well informed on this topic enough to be able to rant on it. I actually DID have a more emotional version of this letter on Youtube but I am a logical person at heart so the written is slightly altered. As in, the written has more hard facts than the video. Go figure. Anyway, I appreciate the fact that you appreciate my message and thank you for all the kind words of praise.
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EatSoftBacon Featured By Owner Jul 29, 2010
Logic is always the best way to think especially when it comes to political issues. You cannot write a strong debate for or against something based on your feelings. I think feelings should be tossed aside when it comes to politics. I kind of find it hard to believe you were "a wreck" at the time this was written since it is presented in such a professional way. I voted no on 8 for pretty much all the same reasons you stated. Well at least I hope I did and did not just vote no because two of my best friends are lesbians and one of my close friends is a gay male. I tried to throw all personal matters aside and just look at the facts and I hope deep down my "no" vote was for the right reasons.

I honestly expected prop 8 not to pass. I feel the no argument and campaign had a much stronger argument with much stronger backing than the yes campaign. I feel the no campaign was a strong logical honest argument while the yes campaign was more of emotional propaganda made to play on peoples feelings. Hence going back to my point that people need to learn to leave their personal feelings out of politics and just look at facts.

Meh I do not find it too big of a deal that prop 8 did pass. There are a lot of bigger problems in this world. I will also bet my life on it that within the next 15 years gay marraige will be legal or that gay couples will at least be able to get the same rights as straight married couples.

Im going to fav your outrage now!
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gwinnya Featured By Owner Jul 23, 2010
Very strong words. I hope you never give up fighting =)
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Intoxicart Featured By Owner Jul 18, 2010  Student General Artist
Thank You
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Shayminfluff Featured By Owner Jun 10, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
Why can't we just be like the UK and Canada? Everything in this letter is entirely true, no matter what way you're looking at it.
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ToraShines Featured By Owner May 22, 2010  Hobbyist General Artist
I live in Nashville, where there are churches on every corner. Everyone is christian and everyone is against marriage for same-sex couples. I've lived here all my life. I agree with you. Everyone deserves the right visit a loved one in the hospital. Everyone deserves the right to be married if they wish it so. I hope that one day everyone will be able to. Love is love - even, or especially, when those in love are the same sex. Good luck to you.
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vive-bleu Featured By Owner May 22, 2010
It sad that those who claim to be for "equal rights" say yes to the prop. Where I come from (Vermont) we're liberal. My two friends are happily married with a child. I hope you and naru can one day achieve that, too.
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SasukeTheEmoKing Featured By Owner May 5, 2010
I don't see why alot of people have to be dissing on Raven just because she stated her feelings. Its rude to critique someones opinion like that.
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Antiquity-Dreams Featured By Owner May 6, 2010
Haters gotta hate.
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Kyuubi-san Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2010
*Gonna.
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SasukeTheEmoKing Featured By Owner May 6, 2010
sigh. Its a shame. Oh well, me and my gf support yall all the way
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Fragmented-Mask Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2010
This is really powerful. Oddly enough, I just started reading "The Kite Runner" and it has a very similar statement about taking away people's rights (saying that the only true sin is thievery, whether it be stealing a person's food, their rights, or their life).

Hopefully things change for the better soon.
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