If religion and science are two separate kingdoms, then the borders have been shifting, and science keeps steadily gaining territory. Reflect for a moment on the fact that every incursion of religion in scientific territory has ended in retreat. Religion still holds territory to be sure, but the repeated collisions have been rather one-sided.
EDIT 5/22/21: cleaned up some blotches in the background.
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I am spiritual and scientific, and all I can say is, they had me until, "The Bible was written by a deity rather than by humans." (If it were possible to lose me even more, it was with, "The Pope is never wrong.") What a crackpot.
The funny thing is science says Gravity is only an 2000 year old invention despite the Romans knowing of it hundreds of years before... And in the Tankakh Genesis predicts it's invention by a thousand years by predicts the formation of the solar system and Earth... I never heard a non religious scientist acknowledge it or how Universes are formed.
I agree with your other three points: ‘God exists’, ‘the soul is punished for its sins in the afterlife’, ‘the Bible was written by a deity rather than by humans’; I don't have a problem with. It's that fourth point that I disagree with. The Pope can be wrong, has been wrong, is currently wrong, and will be wrong in the future. In fact, I think The Pope shouldn't exist and needs to be done away with. That's how I feel about it.
Those are not the only truth claims that Christianity makes. It makes other truth claims, like: ‘the study of nature and the study of Scripture should agree with each other’. That would've been a better fourth one than ‘the pope is never wrong’. Just saying. Okay!!
Good quote and I hope you don't mind my friendly criticism of it. Not trying to be mean, just being critical and skeptical.
I am always open-minded and changes do still need to be made to the Catholic Church. Amen!!
Changes need to be made to the Protestant and Orthodox churches too. Amen!!
I would like to own a copy of *Mere Christianity* by CS Lewis
---------------------------------------------------------------------- with love from a fellow (nerdy) Christian.
Factual claims are not facts!
Religion will change with time science will NOT.
Quote from a song by Theater of Tragedy.
"If you believe...
Believe?! If you believe you are... gullible.
Can you look around this world and believe
in the goodness of a god who rules it?
Famine, Pestilence, War, Disease and Death!
They rule this world.
There is also love and life and hope.
Very little hope I assure you. No. If a god
of love and life ever did exist... he is long
since dead. Someone... something rules in his
Famine, Pestilence, War, Disease and Death! - these are FACTS. God existence - it is a claim.
I do agree though, that if god was the way the abrahamic faiths paint him out to be and everything, he wouldnt have to hide behind his irritating little mouth pieces on earth and have people all live by a very demented messed up man made book.
To me, there are gods, but they aren't entirely dogmatic and are rather the greater aspects of nature we as humans can't overcome, such as forces of life, death, disaster. And i associate these aspects of our world with traditionally pagan gods simply because that is more rational given human and earthly records than, one massive temper tantrum throwing abrahamic 'god"
Please do NOT tell me different people see god through different lens.
There is no god as we NEED to it be . There is god that we WANT it to be. There is a huge difference between need and want.
If god truly existed all our NEEDS would have been slaked.
Wants can NOT ever be slaked.
There's zero reason why one god is more logical than multiple gods, if they exist.
Im telling you people see it differently because they do. Some cultures view gods as simply powerful forces of nature and dont have dogmatic principles. Others believe in god which is highly dogmatic, others believe in karmatic god(s) that judge their actions in life, etc.
I was simply giving you cultural fact. Not trying to say you are right or wrong for your belief. Just that you were factually wrong.
Also why can't they coexist? ... study it long enough like I have and you'll see most religions are right in there own why. It's just most people don't want to see the whole picture only there part of it.
Science will change , A century ago , science thought that radioactivity was not dangerous , it was used in medicine , but now , we know it is dangerous
Science gave human the ability to recognize god and make his THE source of FEAR.
The science will NEVER change.
The 2+2 will ALWAYS = 4. Remember that!
Why does it change , becouse it is self-correcting
Facts are what they are in standalone scenarios regardless of whether humans want to take those facts or not. The earth is still a sphere and has always been a sphere despite the fact early man claimed it flat and ignorant delusional humans today still try to claim that.
-Humans- thought radioactivity was safe at one point, not science. it was through human realization after studying what was already there that -humans- came to the conclusion radioactivity is not safe.
There's a reason science doesn't prove god, because god doesn't exist.
Science IS self-correcting , science said that it is good , but it has self-corrected , and now , it does not say that it is good . if it was not , we whould still have radium drinks
Now tell me , does the bible (or any religiuos book) change it's words , from magic? NO.
But science does self-correct , like the radioactivity case
As for Einstein, he deeply resented the appropriation of his words by religious apologists. He used god as a metaphor, not one of literal belief in a deity.