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I always had a haunch that Severus had Catholic roots. That haunch was further solidified when HBP was released and not only did he appear to live in an industrial town somewhere in Northern/Northwestern England -- where many Irish people settled in search of factory work after the potato famine and up until World War II, but his mother was revealed to have had an Irish full name. Much of the population in Northern England is Catholic, mostly due to these influxes of Irish immigrants (as well as the English descendants of those left unpersecuted during the reformation, but who remained poor).

Also, his teaching style is not unlike that of Jesuits: rigorous, picks favorites, expects students to learn on their own and too bad for those who can't catch up (they just weren't cut out for the material and should look at other options in life)... All this is typical of Jesuit teaching methods. It's no mystery as to why the Jesuits were so influential in Japanese Culture and History after their missions there during the 17th and 18th Centuries.

Anyhow... Little 8/9-year-old Sev must have turned some kid's crayons into dog poop (inadvertently, of course) or something foul of the like. Note the marks of disciplinary action on his hands. Eileen, of course, knows exactly what's up! I doubt he would have been expelled, as he's an exceptionally bright student. But his social skills leave much to be desired. I'm pretty sure he must have been voluntarily taken out of school for at least a year or two before Hogwarts, seeing as he no longer needed to have short hair by the time he met Lily.

EDIT: I mean no offense to the Japanese. I truly love them. However, they are well-known for their rigorous education system, much of which was leftover from the Jesuits.

*JK Rowling owns Severus Snape & His mom...
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RedOctoberRising's avatar
I love your idea of Snape as Catholic! I like Snape and I like Catholics!
ameraucanablues's avatar
Thank you! I happen to fall into one of those categories... ;)

But my bias aside, IDK, the whole Catholicism thing just WORKS for him. I've read a few fics and seen some other art out there with him as a Catholic plus the whole redemption/Reconciliation-thing...
RedOctoberRising's avatar
I understand, really. It fits. Protestants would kick him out faster than you can say "penance." I've read stuff about Snape in heaven. I think he's in Purgatory. I'm Protestant but I actually like Catholicism more.
ameraucanablues's avatar
Hehehe... I'm a 'bad Catholic'. I went to mass once. Didn't care for it much (blame ADHD). But I try to go a few times a year. It's sad because I work in a Catholic university and live next door to my parish. However my spirituality is very sacred to me, and I do adhere to Catholic dogma in that sense. Did you know that the 'religion' (well, if you can call it that, seeing as it's more of a philosophy than a faith per say) that most resembles Catholicism is Buddhism?

You're right about Protestants chucking out poor Sev. Seeing as much of England is Protestant, it makes sense as to why most of the characters are so quick to point fingers at him. Plus it also points out another reason why he may have been bullied so much as a kid -- he's different right down to the core!
RedOctoberRising's avatar
I'm that way too. I'd hardly go to church if it weren't for my mother. It's more important to believe the thing rather than go every week, I've learned. Yeah, I realized that when I studied Buddhism in world history, that it's really close to Christianity. I'm quite a fan of Taoism and Catholicism.

Oh yeah... us Protestants don't like making your life better (I'm saying "us" loosely). We're not really into the whole forgiveness thing. We like salvation... if you're real Christian already and that sort of thing. Snape would be a total outsider in Protestant England and Scotland, especially Scotland, which is heavily Calvinistic.
ameraucanablues's avatar
The Manchester/Yorkshire area is the most densely Catholic region in the British Isles outside of the Republic of Ireland. But it's still about half Protestant. Most of fandom agrees that Cokeworth is somewhere in that vicinity. That would mean that he very well might be Catholic.

Plus, Rowling already released the information on McGonnagal being the daughter of a Presbyterian minister in Scotland, so religion is a presence in the Wizarding World as much as the muggle world.
RedOctoberRising's avatar
That makes sense. I think The Blacks and Potters were probably Anglican, seeing as they're both well-established families. I wondered if McGonnagal was Presbyterian, seeing as she is the quintessential Scot.
janach's avatar
Friendly hint: The word you want is "hunch," not "haunch." A haunch is the hindquarter of an animal-- on a person, the buttocks!

No put-down intended. I love the English language and its nuances, but I confess I am fluent in no other. Multilingual people always impress me.
ameraucanablues's avatar
El lenguaje castellano tambien tiene sus cosas... :P
janach's avatar
Of course, all languages have their delightful nuances.

(Thank Circe for Google-Translate!)
Leona1981's avatar
By the way, I spent ten years in a catholic school...is all right with them, but I love science and those two, nuns and science will never mix...now I'm buddhist...
ameraucanablues's avatar
(I see you're from Argentina so I will continue this conversation en Castellano, lol, seeing as I am Spanish/Cuban-American and have a strong grasp on the language. :P )

Eh... Yo fui a una escuela del Sagrado Corazón 14 años. Tenian tremendo departamento de ciencia, historia, literatura, arte, y francés. Ellos enseñaban la teoría de la evolución tal como lo harían en una escuela laica. Académicamente fue una excellente educación. Pero la vida social y la diciplina pudieran haber sido mejor. :P

¿Sabía usted que se puede ser Budista Y Católico a la misma vez? El budismo es una filosofía, no una religión. Tambien la religión Católica tiene mas en común con la filosofía budista que con la protestante. :)
Leona1981's avatar
Que raro en una escuela catolica! Pero que suerte tambien! Me hubiera gustado que la mia fuera asi!
Con respecto a los budistas...eeehhh...si bien es correcto que no es una religion en el sentido estricto de la palabra, es de hecho, una filosofia de vida y repetamos y aceptamos muchas enseñanzas de otras religiones porque muchas de ellas predican la igualdad, la hermandad y la tranquila convivencia, cuando elegimos ser budistas ya no nos consideramos a nosotros mismos como catolicos, ni como pertenecientes a cualquier otra religion, aunque los japoneses, que por cierto, yo practico el budismo japones, reparten su vida entre el budismo y el sintoismo, que es una especie de religion pagana propia del japon, aunque tambien hay japoneses cristianos que tambien practican el sintoismo. En realidad, cada cual elige lo que quiere creer, despues de todo somo libres para hacer de nuestra vida lo que queramos, no? Lastima que nos fijemos tanto en las diferencias en lugar de centrarnos en todo lo que hay en comun...
ameraucanablues's avatar
Yo tengo unos amigos de madre cubana y padre japones que se consideran Católicos-Budistas. :) Pero tienes razon.
Leona1981's avatar
Clar, cada cual elige lo que siente que le hace bien. A mi me parece genial que hayan podido fusionar las dos formas de vida! Yo no pude reconciliar una con otra, asi que preferi renunciar a ser catolica, pero eso no significa que el resto de la gente no pueda. Me alegra mucho saber que todavia queda gente con la mente abierta!
Leona1981's avatar
I love their faces! And I loved more the explanation! Thanks for sharing!
Gryffgirl's avatar
I was taught by Jesuits and I had to laugh at this one. They must have loved his brilliant mind but despaired over his transgressions and the fact that all of the lectures and knuckle rappings (I thought only nuns did that) never had any effect. Apparently parent/teacher meetings had no effect either.
"Mrs. Snape, your son somehow turned all of the crayons into dog shite!"
"Oh....really?" (Pats her son on the back). :giggle:
ameraucanablues's avatar
LOL! I went to a Sacred Heart school myself for 14 years. Those nuns can be just as tough as the Jesuits, seeing as they are the female equivalent of them. But my dad went to a Jesuit school (same one Fidel Castro attended, only my dad attended in the late 60's -- long after the religious orders were chucked off the island of Cuba by their bearded alumnus himself and re-established themselves in Miami) and he said that back in his day, the priests never once held back on these sorts of corporeal punishments.

I wouldn't doubt many of these Jesuits would believe that little Sev was possessed by Satan, what with all the freaky things that would happen when he was around. But they could never ignore his sponge-like mind.
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