On the City, Graffiti and Property

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On the City, Graffiti and Property

1. Introduction

Toronto
Tribute to Graffiti by amelo14  

There are indeed some journals one never thought one would ever write. This is one of those journals. It concerns the nature of street art in general, and that of graffiti and the issue of its legality in particular. Why ask this question, you might wonder. At a personal level I have, a bit to my surprise, found myself impressed by the works of graffiti one finds all over the gorgeous and welcoming city of Toronto. These are for the most part  beautiful and complex works of art usually found in city spaces where an “artistic” atmosphere prevails; such is the case of famous Kensington Market. Talented artists have clearly left their mark, for the most part without upsetting the space of public institutions. But at a more general and political level, there is currently a “debate” within Toronto itself ---between its political leaders and graffiti artists--- regarding the very legality of graffiti. The fundamental question revolves around the question as to whether  graffiti  is a form of art which beautifies the city and expresses certain discontents among its citizens, or whether it is a criminal activity which damages the private property of citizens whose rights are in this manner trespassed without consent.

But the issue, I believe,  goes beyond the status of the law. The impact of Graffiti is felt by the totality of citizens within a given city. Graffiti is out there to be seen, even if only in some neighborhoods. One need only recall the infamous Berlin Wall; hardly anyone would have denounced THAT graffiti. As a citizen of Toronto perhaps I myself might contribute to the debate.  What can we learn from the constant appearance of graffiti in modern cities prone to the difficulties which overwhelm them at times; social inequalities, discrimination, pollution, bureaucratic indifference? What indeed could be learned by all citizens alike? It is my hypothesis that the best of Graffiti may teach us something about how we should reconsider our understanding of the role of private property in our society. In this respect one is led to ask what seems to be an utterly incredible question: can the love Graffiti artists show to the forgotten walls of the city, point to a different way of inhabiting our modern cities and of relating citizens to each other? This is the question to be considered here which, I repeat, necessarily  move us beyond a mere consideration of the legality of graffiti. This journal is but a brief and inadequate attempt to deal with the complexity of the issue.

But first, I must let you have a taste of the graffiti which I have been  photographing lately here in Toronto. I have only photographed a minimal amount ---–for reasons some of you know--- but it will help as a starter.  This is an exercise in imagination,  faculty crucial to the resolution of conflicts. Politicians may learn this from artists.

1. Imagine yourself walking down a busy downtown  area, underneath massive skyscrapers,  and finding yourself suddenly impressed by  the bluish tones of  a sidewalk which has been taken over by a street artist which allows us to reflect on what sidewalks might be good for. What are sidewalks for? Obviously for walking; for safeguarding pedestrians in a world dominated by cars. But you would never know it from what the following street artist, with his exceptional ability, has brought to life. The sidewalk has become the temporary canvas for the appearance of  heroes that govern the imagination of many. Batman and Batwoman arise as those heroes who safeguard precisely the common interest of an imaginary city; the conflict-ridden city of Gotham with all its evil Jokers.  Check him out and be briefly humbled, let yourself be open to what this artist provides to our city without demanding much in return:

Humbling
Humbling by amelo14

2. Now imagine walking down the streets of the city and suddenly finding ----in a forgotten back-alley in the middle of nowhere---  Sylvester the cat springing forth out of the blue. You might just feel like Tweety did. You feel caught.

I tat I ta a puticat
I tat I ta a puticat by amelo14    

And as you turn, right next to Sylvester, there appears Daffy Duck. You reach out into your memories and, from deep within, a smile  appears thanks to what would otherwise be an old, indifferent and  unimpressive side wall. And then you ask yourself what moves an artist to paint such complexity on the forgotten alleys of the very city you inhabit. And if you are interested in questions of property, then you ask yourself: to whom does Daffy Duck truly belong? Must we pay at all times for our imagination as well?

Whose copyrights
Whose copyrights? by amelo14

3. So you continue your stroll; you continue walking through the city you inhabit. And then ----right there in front of you--- you  find the very city you have been walking all along. You find Toronto –the most multicultural city in the world---- actually being honored by a graffiti artist where many walk about their day oblivious to the possibilities of public art. And you ask yourself how much love for a city must  an artist have to actually portray it for all visitors:

Toronto
TO by amelo14  

4. But this publicly painted city might just represent all cities. How can this be so? A few blocks ahead you come across another depiction of the city. This one is captured with minimal lines. The city has become not just Toronto, but any city where citizens are made conscious of the possibility of art within the public sphere. You begin to understand what it is to inhabit the city beyond a mere agglomeration of individual atoms fighting it out daily. You feel a sense of belonging, belonging to the city which you know as no other, the city which shares your secrets, the city which shares your dark and joyful memories:  

Tribute to Kensington Market
Tribute to Graffiti by amelo14  
6. But that is not all. Further ahead you are suddenly confronted by  a door you have never seen before. This door stares at you, it invites you to come inside and feel what street art is all about. This journal is in part due to the appearance of this door one day walking the streets of welcoming Toronto. This door looks at you asking you to understand, to participate in the possibility of public art. Let yourself be entered by it.
Door to Art
:thumb13059389:

(For other examples see the adequately entitled article, Art or eyesore in the NOW magazine of Toronto: www.nowtoronto.com/issues/curr… , or the graffiti found at Keele metro station, one of the subway stations here in Toronto: www.keelestation.com/index.htm… )

Perhaps now you understand why I had the need to try to understand my attachment to these artists, though I myself know little of Graffiti and unfortunately could never paint one because of my lacking such amazing abilities. And of course, the issue in question regards ONLY great work by talented artists. We are not speaking here of simple tagging which merely destroys the very possibility of intelligent graffiti by truly creative and thought provoking artists.

And more importantly this walk generates an incisive question: whether Graffiti in particular allows for a reconsideration of the way we understand property rights. To put it very directly; would YOU allow for the presence of such art within your own private area? What would YOU do as political representative if your voters disliked graffiti? To this issue of property we will return below. But the issue of property rights goes beyond the issue of graffiti and therefore this argument might later be extended to other areas. You can think of  the following debates: Windows vs. Linux and the GNU project; shareware vs. freeware applications (e.g. such as Photoshop vs. Gimpshop, Open Office vs. Microsoft Office,  Pixia vs. Illustrator); ourmedia.org vs. privately owned media; and of course, decisively, political debates regarding the role of property in society and the question of just distribution.

2. The debate

2a. The law

As in all debates two sides deck it out. On the one hand, political representatives in multiple governmental agencies –usually at the level of cities—have sought to  produce laws which portray graffiti as a criminal activity. One such example is provided by “New York’s Graffiti Laws”. As the law reads, in some excerpts provided below:

§ 10-117. Defacement of property, possession, sale and display of aerosol spray paint cans, [and] broad tipped markers and etching acid prohibited in certain instances. (my emphasis)
a. No person shall write, paint or draw any inscription, figure or mark of any type on any public or private building or other structure or any other real or personal property owned, operated or maintained by a public benefit corporation, the city of New York or any agency or instrumentality thereof or by any person, firm, or corporation, or any personal property maintained on a city street or other city-owned property pursuant to a franchise, concession or revocable consent granted by the city, unless the express permission of the owner or operator of the property has been obtained (my emphasis)……
    §145.05 … a person is guilty of criminal mischief in the third degree when with the intent to damage property of another person, and having no right to do so ….  (for the compete law see: “www.nyc.gov/html/nograffiti/ht…

This law as well establishes the creation of an “Anti-Graffiti Task Force” whose purpose is to clean the city of graffiti. It: ”assesses the scope and nature of the City’s graffiti problem, examines the effectiveness of existing provisions of law aimed at curbing graffiti vandalism and proposes amendments to strengthen such legislation. (Title 10 § 117.1)”

Now it would be fine and well if we could just destroy the law and consider it simply an arrogant proposition by the citizens who question graffiti, many of whom I am sure are not simply rich folk. But this is a dangerous and self-destructive proposition. Again, just imagine if you ---if you indeed own a property--- were to see graffiti on YOUR walls.  I think at least two things should be pointed out from the law so as to curve the passion and anger of some artists. One the one hand, it clearly specifies that it is applicable “in certain instances”. But the issue is whether politicians, or for that matter the police, are artistically educated so as to judge in which instances Graffiti has in fact broken, or not, this law. A second concern might be that of older graffiti which has already been painted without consent; in New York some have had to actually erase their work if they cannot find the owners who once consented. Perhaps in this case the solution might be to ease the legislation retroactively.

The third problem the law states is much more important, it clearly specifies that the central issue is the damaging of private property. It is against the law to “damage property of another person, and having no right to do so.” Of course, defenders of Graffiti might point out that in many cases, and herein lies a deep irony,  they have been asked to paint the very walls which have become their canvases in truly forgotten neighborhoods. One need only recall that Canadian commercial in which an inner city school is compared to  jail because of its lack of green spaces, among many other lacks. But isn’t the law blind to a certain reality which street art expresses? Isn’t this particular law somewhat blind as to the more positive role Graffiti may play within a society in crisis? Will erasing walls erase the malaise? Isn’t it clear that some owners may actually want graffiti on their grounds, as is clear from walking around places such as Kensington Market?

2b. The position of one Graffiti artist: Zephyr
www.zephyrgraffiti.com/

Zephyr, a well-known artist from New York, expresses great concern in a defense he wrote against the city law. I would simply like to point out the idea that Graffiti artists are extremely talented artists, not simply wall painters from a hardware store. If you want to have your house painted, well that almost anyone can do; but to have an engaging  mural done, well that very few can do well. These are some of Zephyr’s words:

“The attacks on the graffiti "muralists" is probably the most troubling and disturbing new twist to an already frightening situation. These modern-day Picassos specialize in multi-artist, and sometimes multi-day, productions. Elaborate masterpieces replete with scenes, figures and symbolism. Huge sprawling paint jobs that can run full city blocks. The neighborhoods where they're most common are neighborhoods where they're most welcome. Take, for example, the South Bronx. The local communities embrace and protect many of the "graffiti murals" painted there. Many of the works inspire joy and unity-and represent how a simple gesture with the right energy is capable of manifesting a measurable positive transformation on. It is this ability for communities of color to empower themselves through public art, that poses a threat to the racist regime of the Giuliani administration. The right for a community to paint their own neighborhood falls outside this mayor's fascist rules of "appropriate behavior." www.zephyrgraffiti.com/zephyrw…

His acute argumentation is clear. Graffiti artists are amazing artists. This I have tried to portray myself above. However, the very language in which the position is expressed -----allusions to “racist regime” and “fascist rules”----- can only deepen the suspicion of authorities. In this respect both parties can polarize the debate only to the detriment of them both and, specially to the citizens themselves.  Much more can and should be said in defense of graffiti and public art, but instead I would like to focus on the question of property itself. (Source of the debate: the incredibly instructive and “featured” article in wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graffiti  )

3) Some brief considerations on Graffiti and property

One of the roles of Socratic political philosophy, perhaps the single most important one,  is to curb anger. The violence which ensues from enraged parties ruins cities,  and even nations. Anger may disrupt the political  as no other  deeply ingrained emotion can. One need look at my dear Colombia. A political philosopher might aid in reaching alternative positions which may broaden the debate. This is why I want to focus on an issue dear to me as a political philosopher, the question of property.  

Since the fortunate, and long awaited fall of communism, the idea of collective property has been shown to be a dangerous and illusory proposition. Stalin was, is and will be a nightmare; as was foreseen by Plato over 2000 years ago. In my dear Colombia, the FARC (infamous Guerrilla forces who tag the walls of my beautiful Bogotá) have not received the message yet. So it seems the permanence of private property has been shown to be crucial to the stability of a functioning society. In general, one could say that there are two broad models of the role private property might have in a given political society. They are not mutually exclusive, but require a certain degree of balancing out for the good of the political community. In this sense there might be two very broad and ideal models for private property. I  will call one, the “inward looking” view of property, and the second, the “outward looking” view of private property.

3a. The “inward looking” view of private property

Historically one could consider the work of John Locke as the basis for this perspective on property. It is the founding conception of modern views on the role of property within political society. To put it as briefly as possible,  the emergence of modernity goes hand in hand with a given comprehension of private property  and the role of the individual with respect to its accumulation and utility. Under this view of private property, emphasis is placed not only on the fact that the property is radically MINE, but in a more radical development, that I am free to do in the private sphere as I desire. We have grown so accustomed to this view that it is hardly seen as problematic, except of course, by those who lack the very private property defended by our liberal societies. It is to something like this conception of property that the political leaders against Graffiti hearken because they obviously see street artists as trespassing what is a fundamentally the possession of each individual citizen. The political sphere, and specially the law and its enforcement organisms, are there precisely to safeguard our private rights. It is therefore no surprise to see graffiti as a criminal activity. The law is clear; graffiti damages the property either of private citizens or of the city itself bent on safeguarding the security of its citizens. And I bet that even graffiti artists will defend this view of property when their own property is actually  abused by others. For example, if there were a break in at a graffiti artists’ house, I am pretty sure he/she would call 911.

I say this view of property is “inward looking” for it seems to promote, in a disproportionate manner, the defense of the private over the role of the public; the ‘mine’ overruns the ‘ours’. Contrast the ideal view of healthcare in the US and Canada to have a feel for this. The radicalization of this view can be easily seen in many examples of unquestioned practices which have become normal for us: the impossibility of generating carpooling in North America where possessing a car is the mark of freedom (not to mention in Toronto the lack of funding for PUBLIC transportation), the inward separation of the house into ever more private and inward looking spaces (one constantly hears in North America that young people argue: this is MY room.), the constant search for MY space in interpersonal relationships, a blind eye towards the homeless as radically unsuccessful citizens precisely because they have not been able to create the conditions for a private home(thus burdening individual tax payers who have lost sight of the sense of the whole), the flight to the suburbs where privacy is the dream, and finally, the dismissal of claims of property from Native Americans (see for example James Tully’s powerful Strange multiplicity.)

3b. The “outward looking” view of private property

But there are other traditions of political thought besides this liberal Lockean one. Very briefly, and in very  general terms, one could call this view the “outward looking” conception of private property. One could say  it  is best expressed originally by Aristotle. (See his Politics Book II; a text which lays the foundation for an understanding of the city and its citizens as no other). In discussing private property he argues that  the best of possible worlds would be one in which property were actually possessed privately, but could be used publicly.

This view is “outward looking” for, although it likewise  safeguards the possession of private property for individual citizens and their families, it nonetheless seeks to reactivate certain interpersonal ties amongst citizens; the ties of generosity and friendship without which a community may not  generate the best of conditions for its excelling over others. Under this view, the radical privatization of citizens may lead to the overall malaise of the society of which they themselves are part. Think again of the rush to the suburbs and the creation of inner cities; a problematic which has slowly been changing as a more conscious model of the interrelation of citizens has been taken up. In a sense, politically speaking, we are of the city, rather the city simply being for us. It is in this respect that the city I was born in, Bogotá, has become a model for the developing capitals of the world.  This is due to its civic education model, its concern for the public space, and its demand for a redressing of class inequalities. (exemplified in its model public transportation system –--called Transmilenio---, its gorgeous public libraries, and its Sunday bike day where millions take over the city street in bikes). The city as a whole becomes healthier, beautified and populated by better citizens capable of taking on –as intelligent and alert citizens should-- a questioning perspective.

Now,  if all this is even partially true, then graffiti  allows us to
break down the usual way of perceiving property simply as that which is my own. Mothers may teach us to share as kids; but they seem to be fighting a loosing battle in our society. Street artists, I repeat, particularly  the great ones--- seek to make  art  become public at the very edge where the private meets the public. By placing their work at this border (the wall is private, but the message is public) they call our attention to the dilemmas previously noted. They might just be reminding us that the city is more than the sum of its individual houses and privatized walls.

To rephrase it; what seems to be terribly uncomfortable about graffiti is that it lies in a privately-owned wall, but its expression is simultaneously meant to grab the attention of ANY public citizen walking the city streets. Now, if our society is one which concerns itself simply with an “inward looking” view of private property, then of course, graffiti is seen ONLY as damaging and criminal. But if our society recognizes the value of private property,  AND AT THE SAME TIME concedes that our modern malaise may lie precisely in not having concerned itself with other possible, and perhaps more “generous”  relations to property, then the common interest of the city and its good may start to become a central concern for us all. Graffiti in this respect would be both pointing to the tension and to its solution, for it beautifies the whole city by giving expression to an “outward looking” perspective of property which might provide the conditions for  the good of many, if not all.

4. Conclusion

To conclude, perhaps the debate can become more interesting and open-minded if both parties recognize the different view of property they emphasize. In this respect the city has every right to protect its citizens from unwanted graffiti; and at the same time graffiti artists must seek to convince other citizens to allow for the creation of their paintings in the shared public space. The crucial problem is with that graffiti which already exists; those works must be looked and assessed by dealing with each particular case to see which stays and which goes. Graffiti artists must be willing to take the time to argue for some of their creations. For instance, the graffiti at “Keele station” is now a landmark; this is also true of the work found in unique and historical “Kensington market”. Others might go, and yet others might stay.  And perhaps those who know the city well –usually dedicated politicians--- can provide artists with other spaces  to express themselves and reach out to the community. (Of course, sending the  best of graffiti artists to an “indoor” warehouse does not work, precisely because the issue is the outward looking public space; however, this might help for aspiring graffiti artists who want to practice their skills.)

In sum, this journal has tried to understand ----at least in small part and by someone who is neither a politician nor a graffiti artist---- the debate over graffiti and its possible positive role within our cities. By  letting ourselves be open to its appearance, it reminds us of possibilities regarding our own unquestioned understandings of property which  might make of our cities, and of us involved citizens ---the very life of cities--- much more outward-looking, solidarity-prone and generous beings. In this respect, perhaps

The artist
Humbling by amelo14
and

The city
Tribute to Graffiti by amelo14   

may find some common ground from which to resolve their impasse in favor of the benefit,  not of this or that faction, but of the community as a whole. Will we be able to find our common interest, acknowledge it, and work to understand the basis from which each position springs? Or, will we make the problematic idea presented by Plato ---expelling the poets from the city—a reality in the 21st century?   

(PS1. Other examples of Public Art:
1. Cheers: Cheers by amelo14
2. Public rights: :thumb14225312:  
3. High Tech: :thumb14226461:   
4. Beware of Graffiti:   Tribute to Graffiti 2 by amelo14
5. Peace entangled:    Peace entangled by amelo14
6. Friend: A friend by amelo14
7, My Street: My street by amelo14
8. And the many examples of computer graffiti here at dA.)

(PS2. If you are interested in other possibilities for your journal you might want to check out my Journal on journals: amelo14.deviantart.com/journal…  )

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Zarquon3's avatar
I've been reading through this journal since the day after it was posted and I just wasn't sure how to respond to it. So many issues presented and so little time to waste at work! ;)
I think I'll try to stick with primarily the issues of property, although inspecting the effects individualism has had on my society would be equally as interesting. ;P
As Canadian society drifts farther and farther away from our European roots and we exchange our Brittish roots for an American future, we have increasingly subjected ourselves to two major and distinctly American forces.
Capitalism and individualism.
I don't mean to say that U.S. citizens where the first greedy bastards on the planet or the first to put a fence around their yard, far from it, however the "American Dream" as they so proudly offer to the world is in essence the act of investing effort and time into 'my' idea in the despirate struggle to chase the almighty dollar.
As you so aptly pointed out, the health care system (and other social nets) in the US are very much designed the way they are specifically because of this belief that if you work hard you will obviously be rewarded and will therefore have money enough to take care of yourself and your family. If you are lazy you will be poor and there's no reason to drag down us hard working people with money.
I've seen directors getting paid veritable shit loads of money to get yelled at once a week by their superiors and then spend the other 4 days of the week thinking of excuses for next Thursday. + Monies, - effort. This seems more often the case in many situations, but I digress.
Having grown up in this climate that "What's mine, is mine." has obviously at least partially tainted the way I view property and value and that's about to become very apparent.
I'm not big on having the fastest car, the biggest house or the most recent computer, but I work hard and expect that the materials I spend my money on are respected by my peers, neighbors and just about anyone else. Not in the Enzyte, "Worship me, I'm your god!" sort of way, just to have the decency to not f*@k it up.
The 'common' courtesy to simply ask someone if they would like your work on their walls wouldn't kill you. Sure, some may tell you to piss off, but others may welcome the idea. Free art? Why not!
They let Michelangelo paint on over all sorts of stuff. Even churches!
What if your art stinks, or isn't to the liking of the person who invested days or years of their life to earn the money to buy what you've just scribbled on. Sure some of the murals are very distinctly works of talent, but what about the guy that just wants to see his tag on every surface so he can brag to his friends about what a useless putz he is.
Time that could be better spent. :stab:
Occationally there will be the artist that shouts of the greater good, art for arts sake and the destruction of capitalism/breaking of facism (and the glory of the third Reich :giggle:), but what if someone walked up to the artist while he was painting, decided he liked the colour and stole all of the paint, I'm sure the artist would have something to say about the value of property then Oooo, or worse yet, if any passers by decided to scratch off the artists name from the mural and write their own. :pissedoff:
Who's painting is it now?
Who cares! It belongs to the people, they can do as they feel like! :dance:
It's the second coming of armagetti! Hurrah!

:evileye: Please ...
Push come to shove, I very much doubt that half of these 'activists' would be willing to live in the world they imply they want to create.
Why do these people rarely paint on their own house, I wonder? (although I did note =keystone045 with the trailer incident and sympathise. The second half of proprietary ownership is to do with as you please to your own swag)
What if your neighbor decides he'd like to use your couch as kindling or thinks your plasma TV would look better across from his couch?
Shit like this is why the Babylonians cut off people's hands, and with good reason!
:stupid:
To me, for someone to slap whatever they feel like across someone elses property, without permission, whether that property is a $2.5 million plaza of store fronts, or a $20 mailbox, is quite simply rude.
Wait a minute! What's that you said? :sherlock:
Herein lies the true issue, buried in a simple sentence:
"It's rude".

Rude - adj 1: socially incorrect in behavior; 2: (of persons) lacking in refinement or grace; 3: lacking civility or good manners

The greatest atrocity committed of all time! To breach the excepted norm of society! :faint:
Wars have started over this ...
and revolutions ...
and bar fights. :threaten:
This isn't new, it's been going on for millenia and generally ends up steering society from one extreme to another until it decides on a new 'norm' and the whole cycle starts up again.

:shrug:

Right now, the people at large say it's wrong to deface without permission (is it really defacing with permission?), the law says they'll make life less happy if you're caught, which means, all in all, you shouldn't go slapping your opinions on someone else's canvas, no matter how good your intentions.
(or to use the phrase from ol' Jack in the first Batman movie, "Never rub another man's rhubarb!")
So to the graffitti folk, I say "Lick me!" :finger:
For good art to be truely effective, it needs to be appreciated.
:gallery:
Take two seconds, ask before you engage in your craft, whether graffitti, photography or whatever and make sure your efforts don't fall upon blind eyes and enraged minds.
If they don't want it, maybe you suck ... or maybe they prefer roses.
Except responsibility for your own actions and let your skill help to get your message out. Just ask!
It's the difference between being an artist and being a dink.

I'm done, anybody still listening?
:sleepy:
amelo14's avatar
Master, I read the whole commentary twice. And then I thought to myself; should I call 911? :D But then I composed myself a bit and tried to think of something interesting that I could add to your passionate points. First off, LOVED the ending. :D More seriously I think the most important passage is this one:

"Having grown up in this climate that "What's mine, is mine." has obviously at least partially tainted the way I view property and value and that's about to become very apparent.
I'm not big on having the fastest car, the biggest house or the most recent computer, but I work hard and expect that the materials I spend my money on are respected by my peers, neighbors and just about anyone else. Not in the Enzyte, "Worship me, I'm your god!" sort of way, just to have the decency to not f*@k it up.
The 'common' courtesy to simply ask someone if they would like your work on their walls wouldn't kill you. Sure, some may tell you to piss off, but others may welcome the idea. Free art? Why not!
They let Michelangelo paint on over all sorts of stuff. Even churches!
What if your art stinks, or isn't to the liking of the person who invested days or years of their life to earn the money to buy what you've just scribbled on. Sure some of the murals are very distinctly works of talent, but what about the guy that just wants to see his tag on every surface so he can brag to his friends about what a useless putz he is."

I think your words capture well the dilemma behind the use of private property. On the one hand, it would be impossible to erradicate this desire from human beings for in a sense what we have is part of who we are. BUt on the other hand, the excessive impules of modernity ---particuallry in consumption of goods---- seem to through away the possibility of a more temperate conception of "what is mine".

Now I think I will call 911.
exciter69's avatar
First off, I'd like to say that I love graffiti. Among my friends are graf artists, and I often watch them paint. I don't condone the painting of walls where graffiti would NOT enhance the look (eg. storefront of Holt Renfrew, etc.) but several businesses downtown have hired these artists to paint their interiors and exteriors in the nice classic look of this urban artform. I wonder if our government will force down the graf-style mural of Holly Jones , a little girl that was murdered in T.O. It's graffiti, done by the same guys that paint under bridges, storefronts, and other plain walls which add flair.

A business owner that I spoke with recently had requested that a graf crew paint the interior and entire exterior of the building. The artists got paid for this work. It's legal, on private property, and being that the walls were around 200ft long it wasn't very cheap for the owner. She said that the graffiti on the walls will make her building a landmark in the neighbourhood which will drive in business. Now, the city is forcing her to remove it all. Is this fair? I don't think so.

The Keele wall is a key landmark in Toronto, as is the whole Queen/Bathurst area. Every year, there's the 416 Graffiti Expo sponsored by many reputable companies including Adidas! What will happen now?

I don't mean to sound rude, but these laws can go to hell.

Very nice journal, Andres :thumbsup:
amelo14's avatar
Hey exciter, thanks for the commentary. Hope the journal helps to find some possible avenues for reconciliation and understanding, though I am aware the issue carries lots of emotions. Perhaps this is an indication of its value. I looked at the Holly Jones graffiti and was totally awestruck. Your friends are amazing artists and I truly am humbled every time I see one of their works. Hope to be able to photograph much more.

I really believe that graffiti artists can fight the law with intelligent arguments; they have a good case for many of their works. This is one of the reasons why I wrote this journal. They do teach us much about the issue of property.

Hope your preparations are going well. :-)
oceanpeace's avatar
What a great journal! I think this debate will continue, because the very nature of any public art will always be subjected to the scrutiny of those in power.
Being that art is so subjective... one person's amazement (at the skill and expression of an artist willing to share in such a public way) is another person's discomfort, in that it can be a blaring reminder of the work a community still has ahead of it....
Over all, I hope city leaders can be open minded enough to realize how valuable this venue can be in our cities.

Best, Heidi :heart:
amelo14's avatar
Hi Heidi, aka, Oceanpeace. (Let's not tell anyone else! :-) )

I hope the eventual reading of this journal could bring some moderation to the parts, specially given that if they do work together modern cities are trutly better off! And I deeply believe that the way we concieve of property is radically misguided and self-defeating.

Miss your watercolors! :-)
oceanpeace's avatar
I agree about the concept of property.... it is strange, and seems to create conflict, and encourage greed and envy.... that all important property line or county line or boarder to the country, where is it! :threaten: :matrixfight: :mwahaha:

I think it distracts us from feeling one with the universe.... :meditation:

Thank you for saying you miss my watercolors :hug: It has been a little hard to paint and I am hoping I feel a little better in a week... :glomp: :D
amelo14's avatar
Ohh I do miss them.

As for the question of property, it is very complex. However, I think our society is truly confused about the role property has in trelation to its very own health. Though it would be illusory to do away with private property altogether for the majority . Only some may do this, for example, Socrates and St. Francis. We must work hard to try to emulate them even if those close to us make it quite difficult to do so.
keystone045's avatar
Another very interesting view of the world my friend! And a subject that I will definately agree with your view. Another point, that you touched on, but I had a thought of a possible different wording, is that when you draw attention to your property or someone elses, it becomes less private.

A friend of mine lived in a trailer park. This trailer park was a moderate to low end housing complex consisting of mobile homes in the 20+ year old and rather small, usually single bedroom units. My friend's for example was a 10 foot by 35 foot. The paint had oxidized and was now nearly silver from the aluminum showing through. My friend, being an amazing conceptualist (I think you two would have gotten along wonderfully) decided to do a mural in spray can of the members of our band, in an album cover style, on the front 1/3 of his trailer. Upon spraying the black with star highlights for the background, his grandparents (the superintendants at the time) started getting angry phone calls. By the time he had a second day into the project (laying the color for our faces), he was handed a five gallon bucket of white paint and a paint brush, by his grandmother. With no explainations, I might add. So he had a white trailer and I went home and applied his idea to the rear 1/4 of my small pickup truck's bed... Of course, I had to use an airbrush instead... ;)

I almost find it offensive at times, "you can do anything you want to your property, as long as I like what you do" These huge houses that I do carpet in... Full of unneccisary angles and ungodly tall vaulted ceilings, huge rooflines, wasted space, and huge heating and cooling bills..... *sigh* I'd rather live in a small trailer again.

Again another excellent, thought-provoking journal!
amelo14's avatar
What a wonderful commentary, as always, and gratitude for the incredible story about the trailer. I just do not get the point of living in huge houses where the people inside hardly really live in them at all. But I guess the way we live pushes us to try to get even bigger and bigger houses. It's as if life were a constant match in which you win if you outdo the other more and more. This is just too weird for me.

Ohh yes, and the wonderful power of white to eliminate all colors! As if white somehow made everyhting right. Our doctors use white, our lab scientists use white, our dentists use white, even some of our priests use white. Some people love their walls pure white. I like white, but for totally different reasons. And a white trailer, well that's just not good for anybody! :D
keystone045's avatar
hahaa I agree about the white trailer!

And about the use of white to lure us into a false sense of a germ-free environment! If we were totally germ-free, we would die.

And the big houses... well, "keeping up with the Jones'" has always been more of a joke until now. Now the joke seems to be on us. We purchase on credit until we can't pay the payments anymore, then we have to get a better job that moves us far away, we sell our huge house and have a bigger one built where ever we move to. A viscious circle, that has every bit as much to do with being addicted as someone addicted to alcohol, drugs, or porn (or eating...) All of this and we wonder why we are so stressed out and totally without time for ourselves... Now I can relate! ;)

And don't get me started on cars... Before a few years ago, if you wanted leather and power windows, you bought a 'luxury' name plate. If you wanted a hot rod, you bought the 'hot' make. Now Oldsmobile has deceased as well as the Camero/Firebird line, why? Because everybody has decided they need leather seats to stick to, power nose pickers, a fifteen climate control zones so thier 25 passengers can be comfortable riding on 100" tall wheels, four wheel drive, and 600 horsepower so they can out run the guy next to them at the stop light. And God forbid, we leave a small patch of rubber taking off anymore. But it's ok to spend as much on our vehicle as we do on our house right? ..... *sigh*

Sorry for the rant!! Even if most of it was a bit tongue in cheek ;)
amelo14's avatar
Ohh I love rants! I believe what you say about addictions is right on. Reconsidering the impulses and desires which lie behind the desire to possess may free us to having not only things, but ourselves first and foremost.
keystone045's avatar
So very true. I listed some major, recognizable addictions, but what about arrogance, intellect, pride, overuse of the spot light, so to speak. This is where lies the 'root of all evil' as it were. And money typically fuels that desire. And if something is found that overrides money, then that becomes the target (and here enters drugs, alcohol, food binges, sex)

I consider myself to be a follower of Christ, but am very timid when it comes to calling myself a Christian because of all of the negative aspects due to the religiosity being corrupted by power and money. -- Hehehee that was just a bonus in our discussion ;)

I really must do an indepth journal on my views and belief system sometime. But then I'd have guys in white coats knocking on my door....
amelo14's avatar
Certainly a reconsideration of the role of our desire is quite important! You should write those journals, you know i don't think the "men in white" can go through cyberspace. :-) Would certainly love to read them and see your Christian view on art particularly.
keystone045's avatar
I think I will soon. I have some research I am doing in another area first, but I do think a treatise in this direction would be a nice change for me. Thanks for the nudge!
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