This is my belated poster for my "Citadel Vs Covenant" Event, more information on that can be found here:
Related Media and extra information about this battle/the story (Black and White Size Chart has calculations/comparisons of each sides technology):
DISCLAIMER: Before you comment about the technological difference or that Mass Effect can't beat Halo you should read the entirety of this post I did calculating the aspects of both ships, I put in a lot of work and math to do this right so if you're going to comment be educated first so I don't have to continuously say the same damn shit over and over.
I'd just like to add that, when I setup this scene, thanks to my size comparison chart I was able to size everything properly. Everything in this image is actually sized proportionately but the distance does what you see here haha. Those Turian Fighters are so close to the camera they're almost in it. And there was actually a group of Human ships in this render along with a few Mac Platforms but they've been swallowed by distance and pixels, I've checked you can't see them, which is cool because that's how far away the Dreadnoughts and Super Dreadnoughts I had in mind for image would be and I don't have models for those, and there's supposed to be more Covenant vessels in this fight but they'd be out of frame, the charge is being lead by the three Assault-Carriers. The size chart also shows the difference in science and technology between Covenant and Citadel forces. Just thought that it might be interesting to some people, let's get into the backstory behind this image...
The second battle of the human fortress world Reach, 2183 in the Amalgamation Timeline.
The Geth had hit Eden Prime a few months earlier into the year, right when the Covenant had there metaphorical heel on humanities metaphorical neck. They attacked the Citadel right before the Covenant had made it's way to Reach, and humanity sacrificed a portion of it's Fifth Fleet; one of the only fleets it had left, to defend the Citadel and save the Destiny Ascension, thanks to Commander Shepard's on the ground advice. When the Covenant showed up to Reach the UNSC had little in the way to reinforce there garrison of 130 ships, and 20 Mac platforms. The Covenant showed up with a force of 750 ships, the battle was lost to the UNSC with the Covenant suffering 290 ship loses, slightly more than in the traditional Halo Universe due to the better technology of the Amalgamation Universe available to humanity (262 in traditional timeline).
What was left of the fleet of Particular Justice, approximately 226 ships, pursued the Pillar of Autumn into slip-space which left 234 ships to finish glassing the planet, but the events leading up to this would change the war forever. Because Humanity had earned it's seat on the Council, and selflessly sacrificed it's own ships at a time of crisis to there own people, the Council and all the species within it owed them a great debt. A debt which would throw the Galaxy into utter war.
The Citadel fleet arrived with one thousand Frigates and Cruisers, split between the Turian, Asari and Salarian hierarchies, with Turians supplying the majority of it. The Asari and Salarian each brought one Dreadnought for support, and the Turians committed two and one of the legendary Super-Dreadnoughts, which all kept there distance, sniping at the Covenant Assault-Carriers whilst they were swarmed by hundreds of Frigates and Cruisers. The rest of the fleet executed there "wolf-pack" tactics on the smaller Covenant ships, where Frigates are organised into flotillas of four to six ships. The "wolf packs" then speed through the Covenant's formations, hunting enemy vessels whose particle shields had been taken down by fighter-launched disruptor torpedoes. The wolf pack's circle-strafed vulnerable targets, using their superior speed and maneuverability to evade return fire. The Citadel was also accompanied by a very small token fleet of UNSC ships, a handful of frigates and three cruisers, which, to the Citadel's strong suggestion, did there best to stay out of the fight. Humanity had been exhausted from it's war with the Covenant and had little ships to spare, most of which were committed to blockading Earth. Humanities vessels sat back and watched, there as a formality more than anything, it was the human fortress world after all, they needed personnel to oversee the asset and help rebuild.
The Citadel fleet of over one thousand ships managed to overwhelm and destroy just under one hundred Covenant vessels, 94, including one of the Super-Carriers whilst severely crippling the second and damaging the third before the rest retreated, the Citadel lost 254 of there very tiny Frigates and Cruisers and took no damage to there Dreadnoughts. Reach was saved whilst only being partially glassed, and the rest of the fleet stayed to garrison the planet. It was the first time Turians had occupied a human world since Shanxi, but this time it was a welcomed occupation.
Turian General Adrian Victus had this to say about the coming war after Reach was liberated:
"I must admit I was somewhat reluctant in the beginning to go starting a war with the Covenant, the strategist in me admires their brutality.... the Turian in me knows I'm staring at an Empire that committed unspeakable crimes against my ancestors in the war of Two Council's. An Empire that could very well bring the Galaxy to it's knees. And humanity has been facing them alone. What's more than that, they spent resources and lives defending us when there own worlds were burning, a feeling that my ancestors knew too well. Humans were there for us in our hour of need, and with pride, so will the Turians be there for the humans. Did you hear that, Covenant? Your twisted, sickening genocide upon humanity is coming to an end, on behalf of all Turians and the Citadel, that is a promise."
Admiral Steven Hackett responded on behalf of Humanity:
"There are no words to convey the gratitude towards what you've all done; all the Citadel races coming together to defend our homes? You can't possibly understand what this means to us, all of us. To every man, woman and child out there who's had to cower in fear, wondering if there colony will be next... you've given them hope. You've given all of us hope. More than we ever thought we could have at this point. We can't ever hope to repay you, but from the bottom of all our hearts; thank you."
Admiral Terrance Hood was unavailable for comment as he was busy preparing the Home Fleet's defences of Earth.
Made and rendered in Blender, using models I created and ported Gmod/SFM models.
Not everything is about raw power, strategy, manouverability, weapon cooldowns and dexterity were all taken into account.
I honestly don't understand what some people aren't getting, the fact is that Halo ships do over power Citadel, but you missed the entire point.
The Krogan aren't really helping out in this war because of the whole Genophage thing, however the Turians are employing some Krogan mercs into there ranks
But a Covenant leader begins doing the same after this attack.
Basically man I did a whole bunch of calculations and comparisons for both universes ships here
But if you want me to do a small summary of the main reasons why I'll go through it now with you
#1 The Covenant Fleet that was at Reach at this time was cut into thirds because it already went up against Reach's defences and then split in half to chase the autumn as was explains, so they were outnumbered. 230 battleworn ships vs a fleet of over 1K, overwhelming force
#2 even though ME's ships are tiny there firepower is more than what a halo ship of that size could produce because of mass effect's physics and they can also fire more rapidly, they also outnumber the Covenant ships so basically they got swarmed by a bunch of angry hornets, people die from that irl so metaphorically, this is very deadly.
There are more reasons but basically the main one is that ME's firepower is split up between hundreds of smaller platforms, it's a different tactical advantage to putting all of your firepower on one MAC large station without a shield and hoping it can hit as many ships as possible before it gets destroyed. They also had backup from several dreadnoughts and a super dreadnought for extra firepower which I calculated would be more than enough to take on three Assault Carriers.
I'll be making a video on this soon so I'll be sure to link it to you
I imagined this image being taken just as the first volley began hitting it's targets.
I definitely could of put some space banshee's and Seraphs in there though, idk why I forgot that honestly.
I guess you could say they're there but they'd be too far away to see, the little specs are cruisers and shit, the only reason you can see Turian fighters is because I put them IN the camera, everything is too scale there is even a group of UNSC ships at the planet but they're too small to be seen at all.
Though the VS forums has kinda ruined this for me. TwT
IE Plasma weapons don't exist in Mass Effect because it's impossible in there universe, same with Element Zero and ME physics for the Halo universe, in this scenario both sides have both.
#1. This is a battle that, although created as close as possible to canon specifications is technically it's own alternate universe that I created. It has it's own altered history and amalgamated technology from both sides and from other sources (Predators, Galactic Federation etc) so it's subject to it's own rules; like the Superdreadnoughts, those are none-cannon creations.
#2. This is the Covenant Fleet of Particular Justice AFTER invading Reach, going up against its fleet and all it's defences in a universe where humanity is more technologically capable AND after Thel took half of what was left of it to follow the Autumn into slip-space. This is a QUARTER of the Fleet of Particular Justice.
#3. The Citadel Fleet, despite being technologically inferior (though not by as much as people would think) AND having ships significantly smaller than Covenant ships do, in cannon, appear to outnumber Covenant ships immensely.
All of the calculations and work I did on this prior to making the poster can be seen here if you are interested in scrutinising the math and data that was compiled for this calculated outcome, also keep in mind this was measured to give the particular outcome that it did because this was the story I wanted to tell, it's called "Retaking Reach" not "Fanboyism ruins my art and story direction"
However, Turian Frigates (236 metres) are really tiny when compared against an Assault Carrier (5,346 meteres), the damn things are OVER 5 thousand metres larger than them! It's monumental, and the sizing is quite accurate even though distance plays a part! This is exactly what Turian Frigates fighting Assault Carriers would look like visually
Here's my size chart that I created to be used for reference
if they had of been super-carriers well that would of been like a fly on a car lol
trying to render a fleet image would fry its little circuits.Nice job, the effect is impressive
an encounter between the full Councill fleet and the covenant would be a bloody mess. those big covenant ships would get an idea what its like to poke a hornet's nest. a lot of running and swatting and trying to find the fastest way out of dodge.
Yeah that was what I was going for too
Nah jokes gotta stay humble XD I do wish I could of done the glassing texture better but I just couldn't figure it out in a good enough time frame.
I'm a huge fan of crossover universe concepts like this, and this is a fantastic depiction. Keep up the good work!
As the description says there is some related media, the B&W size chart's description goes through all the differences in science and technology for both factions, the galaxy map tells briefly of the history of how these two and many other franchises developed together
Reach was a pure example of when Humanity's hopes had virtually flat-lined. Reach was one of our strongest military outposts (other than *****, which we carefully kept a secret from the Covenant for so long). It was believed that we would be able to hold our ground there against the Covenant if they attacked Reach, and we thought we had achieved a victory once we destroyed the single Super-Carrier looming over the planet... out moment of victory was short-lived, however, and our belief of holding out against the Covenant was crushed when their fleet showed up... over 700 ships (in the Amalgamation Timeline) came out of slipspace that day with their crosshairs aimed directly towards Reach... Despite how hard Humanity fought, I think we all knew deep down that there was no possible way of winning against those odds...
It was a constant Cycle of Death. A minor victory on the ground would be followed by a crippling defeat in Space... and then we'd run to our next planet, trying to figure out what to do to better prepare for the next time. Soon there'd be nowhere left to run, and that time seemed inevitable...
However... when the Citadel came to our aid later on, all of that changed. Suddenly, WE were the ones overpowering the Covenant. When I heard the news that literally over a thousand ships had overwhelmed the Covenant's grip on Reach, I almost didn't believe it at first. It wasn't until I saw Citadel ships swarming the Covenant cruisers like a massive swarm of angry bees that I realized... we stood a chance now; the Covenant were retreating. They were the ones running now...
It was at that moment that I gained complete and unbreakable respect for the Citadel and their forces. For them to go above and beyond to help us, regardless of the burden it placed on their shoulders, it truly touched me... and I am undoubtedly honored to call them "Allies..." no, "brothers." For their sacrifice to help us in our time of need, I will proudly stand with the Citadel and help them to my very best abilities if they need it. If you ever need a Spartan, you can always count on me.
Although I'm not of "Admiral" rank, I believe I speak for all of Humanity when I say, "Thank you for everything that you have done to help us."
- Arbiter1223, Spartan 1223 of the UNSC (UEGA Military)
You could stretch it out by portraying some of the fighting that was done on the surface, either way I appreciate the long thought out comment and add to canon
and it was 750 ships all up for both Amalgamation Timeline and traditional, though it probably would of just been 50 that accompanied the Super Carrier and 700 that showed up after it was destroyed. The only thing I changed is that humanity managed to destroy 290 Covvies instead of 262 which was the traditional number
Oh lol I wasn't quite expecting that! I was more or less writing what an "official" statement would be from my OC in this universe after hearing about this. If I do end up doing literature about this, I might expand on how I heard about this or something. Or perhaps, like you said, maybe I could have been on Reach during the fighting. Perhaps I could have seen first hand the Super Carrier blow up from the surface of the planet and then the following slipspace ruptures. Who knows.
Also, I thought the canon number of Covenant ships that attacked Reach was 314... perhaps that was the number of ships that came out of slipspace immediately following the destruction of the "Long Night of Solace" (if that level of Halo: Reach was referring to the name of the Super Carrier). Most likely, though, more Covenant ships would have joined later in the taking of Reach. (Perhaps I will have heard of 314 that day and then heard more kept coming in the following days.)
Either way, though, Humanity did put up a good fight in either universe. If the Covenant hadn't show up with a good chunk of their entire fleet, perhaps things would have been different...
"Cortana did her best, but we never really had a chance..." - Captain Keyes, Halo: CE