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Futumbo|Hobbyist Digital Artist
Happy Birthday! :party:
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AlienLullaby|Hobbyist General Artist
Thank you! As you may tell, I've let this page run dormant for a while – something I intend to remedy before the end of the year.
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Kajm|Hobbyist Writer
Ask me a question that does NOT include false assumptions about what I believe, and we can discuss things. Believing that I don't think we should do anything about pollution, is not only false, but ignorant as hell.
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AlienLullabyEdited |Hobbyist General Artist
Fair enough; scythe can be suprisingly hot-headed with some people, but I think both of you could cover more ground calmy explaining your stance, if you haven't already. You're always going to find people that make assumptions about you, but you can't end discussion there; you just have to try to dispel them civilly, even if you don't think they're being civil to you.

Anyway, regardless of your views, I was merely expressing my support of emissions regulation on the topic of the climate change debate. Please forgive any improper implications, as my personal experience investigating various political views and working with environmental groups is that most articles denying a human hand in climate change are made by businessmen and non-field professionals monetarily invested in the oil and gas industry (ie the Heartland Institute, the Koch brothers) in the interests of resisting emission regulations.
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Sorry for returning again, I'm running about quite a bit.

You mentioned my stance. I have explained my stance quite thoroughly, and repeat it constantly. His response was to twist it to mean something else entirely, and he has spent 17 entire journals pounding on that deliberate misinterpretation of it. Our first and last conversation ended with him screaming about conspiracies and fraud.

I very much doubt he has looked at a single item of information I have posted, especially the fact that there are over a score of research papers which indicate that climate sensitivity is at or below the Lowest CS numbers the IPCC uses in its' models. That alone negates a lot of the 'disaster' that is being claimed.

This however is not a proper format for such a conversation.
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Kajm|Hobbyist Writer
Oh could I use more people like You coming around! Except for that part about Heartland and Koch, you come across pretty well. Can you provide links to prove your contentions? Seriously, I would like to see them.
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The Koch Brothers’ political spending is well-known:
www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summa…
www.cjr.org/united_states_proj…
www.washingtonpost.com/politic…

Their deep investment in the fossil-fuel industry:
www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summa…
www.polluterwatch.com/koch-ind…

…and lobbying against standards meant to protect environmental quality:
www.thedailybeast.com/articles…
For instance, one of their beneficiaries is the American Energy Alliance, which sounds like it promotes US domestic energy production, but actually attacks domestic wind energy while advocating the Keystone XL Pipeline (a Canadian oil corporation’s expansion efforts):
americanenergyalliance.org

The ironic thing is the AEA criticizes Obama on their site for blocking the pipeline while other organizations have criticized Obama for allowing the XL Pipeline to start construction:
www.nrdc.org/energy/keystone-p…

Heartland Institute is not a scientific entity, but manned by businessmen and politicians who have also questioned the health detriments of second-hand tobacco smoke:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hear…
heartland.org/issues/environme…

Frankly, I’m suspicious of anyone who “promotes pro-environment policies” but also “ earned… the enmity of many … public health and environmental groups”.

As I understand it, most environmentalist groups would probably be called liberal because they advocate direct government intervention. Many methods of industry that have developed up until the present produce harmful by-products, and the processes can be changed, but it costs money. Good ideas don’t always pay monetarily, and not all companies look at any other bottom line. Appealing to government over private initiatives is, in such cases, more efficient and effective. Whatever label it is is besides the point. I'm skeptical of parties I support as well as parties I don't; it's only healthy not to be selective about the kinds of things one questions. Socratically questioning myself can surprise and frustrate me regarding what little I know, but I think it's a healthy practice.
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