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As many, I'm highly interested in any new versions of Windows, and especially in the one that will take over the excellent Windows 7.
So I instantly downloaded 'Windows Developer Preview' that has just been released (just for my birthday :D), and I thought it would be interesting to post a screenshot for all to see. Both for showing it to those that are not going to test it, but also to discuss about it.

Here are my first thoughts :

For now there's good and bad things, and the experience is not perfect with the bugs that appears sometimes (the first time it started, I had a full green screen, the background and metro icons were there but invisible, nice bug ! ^^).

The important thing I think is that it opens a wide range of possibilities that will sure be exploited by everyone, there will be as many Windows apps as there are in the Apple Appstore, but they will be made for our desktops !

My main concern is to test another version where you could actually customize the metro start page, with different backgrounds, and different kind of icons, to get something more appealing than this ^^ I want to easily create metro-style icons for all my apps, to avoid having a nice Internet Explorer next to a ugly Firefox ^^

And the main problem for now, to me, is ergonomics, look how hard it is to restart the pc next to 7 ?! The shortest way is ctrl+alt+del... that's a huge step back I think. The interactions between start page and desktop are bad as it is now... And I wish I had an easy possibility to actually end the processes of the applications that are launched, and not keep them all launched in the background, taking all the RAM (I think about the time when I'll have Photoshop + Illustrator + Dreamweaver + etc... mostly !! Or we're going to need 16go RAM at least !!

An option to start the pc directly on the desktop would be great too, but I think it will appear anyway.

And finally, I HATE the ribbon :D, why would I need this hundreds of options at all time, the omnibar in Windows 7 was the best (and I even delete it via the msstyles ^^), it's another step back to me...

But I'm still positive about it, it's close from Windows 7 but opens more posibilities, that's finally something new in the desktop universe :)

What do you think ?

Wallpaper : Elein
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Icedrake99 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2012
Tried Windows 8 myself, then switched back to 7. The whole killing processes thing is extremely irritating. As far as I could see, there was no way to close any of the little boxes on the main metro page. They only "suspended". The only way to close them was to open up Task Manager, find the processes, and then kill them. I definitely agree with you that that is a step backwards.
oxtx Featured By Owner Nov 23, 2011
ive been using your soft 2.0 theme 4 along time and win 8 preview looks way worse to me...hope u gonna do a win 8 version of soft theme when its released :)

cuz i really hate that sharp corners on windows or buttons especially on a desktop may look good on mobile but on desktop a bit rounded is better...
MrTechnoholic Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Ummm............Wallpaper? Looks Freaking Cool and suits this UI!
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011
Oh right, I forgot to mention it, here you go : [link]
MrTechnoholic Featured By Owner Oct 22, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Thank You :D
chilinik Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
How can i get copy of one for myself? Thanx
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 21, 2011
"Windows Developer Preview", Google is your friend :)
MrBaracu Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2011
My english is not so good so i don't understand all of your text.
This is windows 8? oO
It looks totaly like win7 with a new UI... nothing more.
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011
It's Windows Developer Preview, so it's a preview version of Windows 8, yes, but not even Beta.

Yes it's close from Windows 7, but I think it's good that way, Win 7 is a good OS to work with when Metro is not that good (for now) professionally.

(If only I had better teachers I should be able to speak German too, but I'm not :D)
MrBaracu Featured By Owner Sep 22, 2011
Thank you :)
xmRipper Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2011
It's developer preview version. Includes lots of new features for touch screens.
dividedbyzero Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Oh no, please no... Not ribbon UI! Anything but ribbon UI!
armen16 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
There is a new tool now that can remove the ribbon and more options. [link]
Alexander-GG Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Does it use more memory and system resources than Win 7?
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011
Still too much but something like 150/200Mo LESS of ram with the same apps launched, so it's good nonetheless. I usually have between 950Mo and 1.1Go used with Foobar, Firefox and Vuze, but I haven't checked on startup yet.
The problems are the Metro apps that will stay open if you don't go end their task yourself in the task manager... (new and nice by the way) Which include Internet Explorer 10 and all its tabs.

I still have to make some "stress tests" when I found time, I will test with Photoshop in future days. My problem (in a way) is that it's installed on a small (40Go) hard drive, when the OS already needs 20Go for the install, plus I've tried to install some games, download, etc... so I don't have any place left for Photoshop right now :D

But on the other hand, it's installed on an almost 10 years old low Maxtor in IDE, and sincerely it runs really smoothly.

And there is also some bugs for now... So it may get even better in the future.
Alexander-GG Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Well, 200 Mb less than Win 7 and it will be a Win XP. :D Lets see what finally will came up from new OS. Maybe it will be even faster and lighter than Win 7. At least, people expect this. :)
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 26, 2011
I've just made a little test while eating, now that I've got almost the same essential things installed on Windows 7 and WDP.
After 10 minutes of a fresh start without doing anything, Win 7 used 1,00GB or RAM, after the same time with WDP : 730MB !

For now there's more bug than Windows 7 (well, I don't see any bug in Win 7 ^^) so it's hard to compare the two, and I know WDP has been installed very recently compared to Win 7, but it seems a bit faster. And note that my C: drive is 96% full, which might not help :D
Alexander-GG Featured By Owner Oct 2, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Sure, 96% full drive will slow down the PC. There should be at least 25% of free "room". well, lets wait to final. :)
Crussong Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
Hey mate,
quick question about the "panels":

Can you resize them? Whats the max size? Can you customize them (Edit the text, picture as background etc.)?

Just asking for my gaming icons =)

Ed1H3r0 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I would download this but i dont like bugs, so till final release i will stay with win7 and your theme :)
hieucocc Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
i want you share me wallpaper, thanks!
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
Here it is : [link] :)
TheMooDude Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
I've been playing around with it myself and I can say it does offer up tons of opportunities for the future of Windows. That said it really does feel like the focus is tablets and touch devices- if you're on a conventional desktop you're simply jumping through hoops for things that should be (and were once) simple. The ShutDown/Restart example is a key one. Start-Shut Down has long been de facto; however now it's Charm Menu; Settings, then over to the other side of the screen for the Power Button, THEN finally you can hit Shut Down.

M$ have been making the same mistakes for a while now; trying so hard to dumb it all down for the users of today. What about the users who don't want to turn it on just to look at facebook? What about businesses? Can you really see anything productive being done in a "Metro-Style" "App"? Full-Screen immersive Word Processors are pointless when you can't have it alongside the pdf you're referencing and a webpage of info! Sure the kids'll love it- have their twitter and facebook in their... face! but what do the rest of us get; the same old desktop experience, but with poorer abilities to quickly launch the programs and tools we use and need!

I'm excited for it, don't get me wrong; and on a tablet- Great OS! But they really need to not forget their loyal desktop users, and definitely not forget their current place as a workstation / domain client OS!
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
Good point, and that's also my fear since Windows 7, Windows is getting more and more user-friendly, more easy to use, but also go all the way to family usage and quick users (the one that play cards and go to facebook like you said).
With Windows 8 it's clear that it will be even worst on this side, I see it and I really don't like it too.

Now there's one thing that I understand. Being a designer, I see everyone around me that want a "professional" computer, and what do they choose ?... Apple !... Does anyone think Windows is a "professional" OS ? I don't think so. Does Microsoft should change that and make Windows more professional than MacOS, they already loose this fight :D

So I think they're on the right way, and they do what people will want in the future.
For now, people will fear the change as usual, but in 3 years they will love it. An OS has to be developed with touch today, that's for sure, and maybe in 5 years it will have to be developed for a camera like kinect, because it will be wanted.

I'm always amazed by the huge number of people that turn on their computer (sometimes even an iMac 27"...) only to play cards and check emails... Now all these users will have a huge square with their favourite app directly on the start screen, and it will be the same no matter what technology they use. That's what people want, that's what my father explain to me without even knowing the existence of Windows 8 ^^

For us, we'll have to learn the keyboard's shortcuts ^^ to start a search without touching the mouse for example, and quickly choosing the category, to sear an app or on the web directly. In a way it could also be the same as before, go click the start logo, don't mind the start screen and begin type the name of your app and it will be there.

About the apps, for now they're very basics, they look like phone app, but I believe some "desktop" app will appear and will be more interesting, independent developers will make better things than Microsoft for sure ^^
But of course Photoshop or Dreamweaver for example will never become Metro apps, so the desktop has to stay at least as good as Windows 7, and for now I'm satisfied with it.

I'm back on Windows 7 anyway, I'll wait for more about Windows 8, I believe it will continue to evolved in a good way.
dpcdpc11 Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
Thanks for sharing ur win8 experience... the solution in my opinion to the 'professional OS' problem would be the name itself Window 8 Professional.
Windows XX Professional has been present for a while but it never felt much different from the Standard/Home Edition.
Microsoft should release a true professional edition of Windows giving us the power users (designer, coders etc.) exactly what we need.
Would it be so hard?? All they have to do is strip this new ugly skin of windows, including Aero (which is not that bad but it's the same crap since Vista) and I don't mean to disable it. From my experience disabling Aero on my quadcore PC to gain some resources and speed, did the opposite!
So all we power users need a fast reliable OS which is usable and without the bling and most certainly without Metro crap!
Can we do something about it?
I keep watching the ReactOS project which intends to give us windows user an alternative: [link]
But the development is impressively slow... I don't think it will even reach the beta!
AlexandrePh Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
I greatly agree with you :)
I totally don't understand what means the "professional" in Windows X Professional. I get Windows 2000 Pro SP4 few years ago to replace my Windows 98, but the only reason was because I knew it was the most reliable OS for me at that time.

And I really see the need today for both a family and professional version of Windows. There are some people (like my parents for a good example of family ^^) that want a simpler Windows, and there's all the professionals on the other side that want more options :D
And it clearly needs a different design between each one, not something between the two in both.

Going all the way for family usage is not a bad choice for Microsoft, but in the end it will bring more people like us looking for another OS...

But again, I really want to wait for a future release of Windows 8, I believe the start menu and some other functions might have a professional use if it's worked properly. Having a whole start page instead of a tiny start menu can be great if we can customize it for our own use.

The only thing I have against Aero (not talking about the fact that it was old fashioned billion years ago :D It's kitschy more precisely), is that you can't work with all this saturated colors and shiny effects if your work inside the windows is itself about effects and colors, it's like designing a big palace inside a tiny room, you can, but you will make important mistakes !
And in a way, that's why I don't hate Metro that much, because it's contemporary and minimal.

And that also explains why I hate the ribbon, it's too much information where we don't need it. "The perfect UI is the one that you don't notice", that's a rule Microsoft just forgot here, and what I don't understand is that it goes against Metro...!

I didn't know the ReactOS project but it sounds interesting, it seems to have many options. I don't know why but opensource has always many more options. Simple things are perfect but you have to give the options that people needs...
The Finder is a perfect example, it's more customizable but also simpler than the explorer.
dpcdpc11 Featured By Owner Sep 18, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
Glad to hear that we agree on this one my friend! It seems I'm not the only alien on this planet!
Just after replying to you I remembered that I've forgot to mention win2000... back in the days I've choose win2000 advanced server and dunno why but for some reason it worked better and faster than win2000 pro. Even though the server version had some extra server specific services running in the back which I've eventually turned off. Maybe it had something to do with the kernel version... dunno for sure... I've used it as my main OS and it felt great, almost professional in a way.

I'm not totally against Metro UI but it soooo damn obvious that it doesn't fit in with Aero, no way, no how! Are M$ devs really that blind?? And again, the ribbon thingy doesn't go with the Metro UI. Ribboned explorer should've been and experiment back in the days of the Vista failure and dropped later on in Win7. I've got used to it in Office which has a point but in explorer?? Come on! Btw, I don't use explorer, it's way way way to limited for a power user. Image I have always opened about 20 tabs on each side in Total Commander... now that's a file browser! Instead of the useless ribbon they should have introduced tabs in explorer... tabs in everything! but noooo... they tell us to use the grouped feature of the taskbar which is hell of a lot of time consuming!
Like I said before... M$ needs to release a truly professional version of windows for the power users. Give us the same platform and kernel but a brand new professional UI. before win7 I've always used a shell replacement of which BlackBox (bbLean) was the best... lean and mean and with tons of options! Win7 made it obsolete and the compatibility isn't that great too. I've always dreamed of the perfect windows alternative: ReactOS powered by bbLean shell. Still dreaming about it!

Until then hopefully M$ will fire all their UI designers and hire some fresh minded people who can continue the Metro project and adopt it to the desktop version of Windows and also making it possible to easily integrate with other software without forcing developers to rethink their GUI (an example of this would be the small ugly icons in the metro start menu of the shortcuts you've added: firefox, foobar, azureus etc.).
Same thing goes for the competition! Apple needs a revamped UI but they fear to change something that works and something that the Apple fans love so much (a really close and expensive system)... well now that's another story!
mastaofmuppets Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2011
I agree with your point. Windows always has been a system for the mass-user. And I do think so, all in all, it's a good way for windows making system fit touch devices.
Probably it will also speed up the development of those devices as well making the circle close.

What about functionality, I think it will be improved sometime. It is yet a developer preview.
I think the same considers Gnome 3. It is also a "re-imagined" system. And for me it is useless... so far. I like the main idea of Gnome, which tries to keep the desktop clean and minimalistic, but it is done with a cost of user experience (in my opinion).

But I strongly hope both Windows and Gnome and other systems that will try to change the view on PC will success in their tries. And I believe Windows 8 is on a good way to change using PC in a way.
Grimmdev Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
it's the developer preview it's suppose to have bugs lmao, I already seen this myself, wasn't bad, like it and heard great things about it, ran it on a dual core with 4 gigs of ram...did everything without a hiccup
maxxdogg Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
w8 is ugly!! ;o i hope they'll make better looking in rtm
syrink Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
Waiting for your new themes for w8! Both transparent and not :)
Alija638 Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
I downloaded and installed yestrday on VM and so far looks nice. :)
ProtoSphere Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
Do any of the apps on the metro start menu open for you (like Weather and Tweet@rama)? Only Control Panel works for me :(
CatmanIX Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
"that's finally something new in the desktop universe"

What exactly is 'new'? All I see is a bunch of gimmicks stolen from other OS's and software, and poorly integrated at that. I know this is a pre-release so they might have the bugs fixed by the final release, but it's highly unlikely that they're gonna release any features that are actually 'new' by then =\
Rokalacs Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011
If just that was the only problem it'd be fine. But the problem is that they've just bloated the system AGAIN! with useless fkn features that nobody will use. They just wanted to catch those smartphone fanboys' eyes I get it... but c'mon it's a freakin computer not a phone... those dumbass microsofts...
mikejon45 Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
can't say I'm a fan of the new layout/theme for windows 8...the functionality of the OS may be an improvement
but that theme leaves an awful lot to be desired I'm afraid...:(
Seahorsepip Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011  Professional Interface Designer
I see they've made smaller borders at the window :D
and you can turn off the metro and ribbon together with a registry key
Jonas-aus-China Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
Don't like the Ribbon!!!
zainadeel Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011  Hobbyist Interface Designer
haha I hate Ribbon UI too :P
ive been thinking of making a mockup of a replacement bar.
haran-hockey Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
You guys need to understand that there will be a different desktop ui (no app scrolling thing) and that there will be an option to turn off the ribbon ui (MS would be stupid not to).

This developer preview is mainly the interface for tablets, so in that perspective, it's very nice. Only thing that really pisses me off like mentioned is the inability to close apps.
Reymond-P-Scene Featured By Owner Sep 16, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Thats what he said ^ , And its centered for Developers actually ;)
akira-designs Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
New windows UI, it makes me sad.
LinkPain Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
gotta agree with you on the ribbon, it looks freaking ugly.
50CalPotato Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
I agree with the app-closing issue, the inability to simply kill it with some easy to access menu seems outright ridiculous.
BeeTee Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011
Windows 8 is going to be very interesting. I think it will be innovative, expecially when it comes to touch devices (e.g., tablets). This is still the alpha, and I am sure many more changes are on the way. But its a good starting point for sure, and I like the fact that the UI is simple and matte. Will you be using this as your main OS, or going back to Windows 7?
CineFoxLive Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2011  Student Interface Designer
Je t'ai répondu sur facebook ^^
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