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On Maniraptor Wings by Albertonykus On Maniraptor Wings by Albertonykus
Already more wittily articulated here by :iconferahgo-the-assassin:, but I had to say something about this sooner or later as well.

This also goes for Microraptor and Anchiornis and Sinornithosaurus and Caudipteryx and Similicaudipteryx and probably every aviremigian anyone ever intends to draw except for ones that don't have forearms like derived hesperornithines or dinornithids.
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Dinogod Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I love th way you defend birds as living dinosaurs and how you educate many people with missleading things in mind.

I'm looking for a picture of a "tutorial" on how to properly draw a dromaeosaurid you share it on the FB Paleontology page but I cannot find it, can you help me?

Thanks. :D
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Albertonykus Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013
Thanks a lot! It's been a long time since I've shared anything on the FB Paleontology page and there are quite a number of dromaeosaurid tutorials out there. Might it have been this one?
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Dinogod Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thanks for the answer... Its similar but in the one I'm looking for there is details of feather insertion both in hands and legs.

:D
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2013
Here's one that covers that, but only that. I can't remember any others that detail leg feathering from the top of my head. ^^;
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:icondinogod:
Dinogod Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Thank you very much. :D
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:iconunagitakanashi:
UnagiTakanashi Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013   Artist
but that's basically what there wings look like www.dinosaurusi.com/en/post/25… little shorter fingures and longer feathers, but yeah
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Gojira5000 Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
www.deviantart.com/art/Feather…

No, _that_ is what the wings look like, really. 
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:iconunagitakanashi:
UnagiTakanashi Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2013   Artist
ah
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013
That's how almost everyone draws them. When one looks at the actual fossils, however, that's clearly not how the wing feathers attach. Which only makes sense, as that's the way they attach in all birds and other maniraptors for which wing feathers are well preserved.
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:iconunagitakanashi:
UnagiTakanashi Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2013   Artist
ah
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:icontomozaurus:
Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Aug 25, 2013  Student General Artist
No. No it isn't.
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:iconunagitakanashi:
UnagiTakanashi Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2013   Artist
I saw the actual thing, it makes more sence now
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:icontomozaurus:
Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2013  Student General Artist
S'all good.
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ShinyAquaBlueRibbon Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2013  Student General Artist
Nicely said. XD
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2013
Thanks. :)
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MorTalWawmbaht Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I love this drawing :D
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2012
Thanks!
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Fingertier Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Yeah, many old drawings of Archaeopteryx was drawn like that...(Also of "Protoavis"!)
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
And some more recent ones too. Ick.
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bubblekirby Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
I used to this but then I learned better. Now I can't stand primary less avirimigerian reconstructions!
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
I used to do it as well. Yikes!
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Tyrannotitan333 Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm amazed at how the "first bird" gets the half-arse treatment.
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Indeed. Probably because it's supposed to be "half bird half reptile". Bleh.
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Tyrannotitan333 Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Even though birds are reptiles. :P
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:iconalbertonykus:
Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
Yep, it's the ingrained Linnean mindset.
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JD-man Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
You're right. Chicken wings look like this: [link]

P.S. I'm a vegetarian, but I couldn't pass up that play on words.
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Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
I knew someone would make a comment like that sooner or later. XD
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012  Professional General Artist
Haha. Yeah, as I'm sure you know, I find it aggravating enough when people make this mistake for any deinonychosaur - or anything as derived or moreso than oviraptorids for that matter - but with Archaeoperyx, it just makes utterly no sense. The primaries, and their site of attachment, could not possibly be any clearer than if you killed an extant bird, spread its wings out, and pressed it into the mud. The Berlin specimen at least is one of the most beautiful and obvious fossils showing this in existence, and it's just so sad when people ignore it, or don't even think to look at the fossil.

It's definitely a mistake that novice paleoartists make because they're inclined to learn how to draw from copying other artists' work, rather than by looking at the fossil itself, reading the diagnostics, and looking at skeletals. So one bad (but perhaps technically good) illustration can perpetuate a retarded inaccuracy for years just by basis of the meme effect. I started out drawing crappy Archaeopteryxes too. So sometimes it's worthwhile being patient with people, because some of them certainly grow out of it once they learn more.

But others are just worth making fun of.
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Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2012
Most certainly; my earliest Archaeopteryx (and deinonychosaurs) were really crappy too. For comparison here's one of the earliest drawings I posted online of some Mesozoic birds (including an Archaeopteryx) and an updated rendition of the same. (There are still things I'd change now in the updated version, but far less than before.) There's also this, which was so crappy I took it out of my gallery altogether, and this old drawing with primary-less oviraptorids and troodonts, which I can't update even if I still had it with me because it's been colored in.
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012  Professional General Artist
Heh, interesting. I think I was watching you back then but for some reason, knowing you now, it's really hard to imagine you drawing inaccurate paravians lol. =p Here's one of my oldest Archies (hands go where?!), and Skrepnick ripoff.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Nooo hand wings. What were you doing? XD
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Professional General Artist
Come to think of it, I think the first one I drew where I got the hands basically right [link] was the first one you commented on. :D
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Student General Artist
hahaha I knew the right time to come in!
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:iconewilloughby:
EWilloughby Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Professional General Artist
Hey, give me a break, I was 17. =p I had only been drawing "paleoart" (as opposed to "dinosaur art") for a few months. I learned fast though.
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Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Just poking fun, no judgement here. Afterall, mine from around the same time were even worse! ([link])
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EWilloughby Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Professional General Artist
Really interesting textures though!
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:icontomozaurus:
Tomozaurus Featured By Owner Apr 21, 2012  Student General Artist
Yeah, I'm actually really happy with the feel of downy feathers and bird-leg-like scales I got on it; hence why I still have it in storage and on DA instead of in the ashes of a fire :P
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Albertonykus Featured By Owner Apr 15, 2012
Haha, I could say the same of you. XD
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