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Cerebral Hypoxia by ajder Cerebral Hypoxia by ajder
TO make it short, I do not like how this pic turned out, at all... nothing elce needs be sed.

As to the story, well, this is a depiction of the human born legend of the "clumsy rider", in essence, just a low ranking member of the dukal
guard ( of the province of Beaumont, neighbor and soon to be vasal of the empire of Leonar, this land also borders the winter-elven lands to
the north and west. ) THis guy was sed to not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but somehow ( the legend dose not specify how ) he aquired a
hatchling, female red dragon, and reised it as his own. It is sed that douring a particularly dry year, people were praying to their gods
every day for rain... this guy atempted to take these prayers to the gods themselves ( wich he and most other people, foolishly belived to
live in the sky, in great air-born casteles ). So he rode his dragoness higher and higher, trying to get to the land of the gods... the
legend goes that for his foolishness he was struck down dead along with his dragoness by the angry gods. In trouth what actually happened is
that as they got higher and higher, the air got thinner and thinner, and bolth he and his dragoness lost conciousness ( because of lack of
oxigen to the brain, a.k.a "cerebral hypoxia", thous the title ). The cause of death was that of physical impact.

The elves dismis this as beying even plausable, because red dragons are notoriously agressive and untamable, and no elf was ever able to tame such a dragon, though they have long funded relations with others of the dragon-kin, most notably the silver and green dragons. Andthe
chances of finding a live dragon hatchling are almost non existent. Elves speculate that there might have been some trouth to the legend, so
the human in the legend might have been real, but the closest that he might have got to a dragon was possibly to aquire a body part of a
dragon, like a bone, though even that might have been a fake... humans are notorious for their great exagerations in the area of myth and
legend...

P.S. the cause of the human's ockward position is because he is still strapped to the saddle.
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BrJ-exe Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2010  Student Artist
beautiful work. I love dragons
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ajder Featured By Owner Aug 6, 2010
thanks.
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BrJ-exe Featured By Owner Aug 7, 2010  Student Artist
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retroboy78 Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2010
Hmm... you say that you do not like how this turned out one bit. I have to disagree, if you intentionally made the background less detailed, then I would say that it was good that you did that because the main attention should be that only on the falling characters. Nevertheless, you have provided a perfect example of how something may look when its falling and you provided additional detail to the main characters (which is how you get the viewer to visualize the image much greater). Personally, I think this is another inspirational image that is perfect for demonstration of both a human like creature and a dragons general anatomy. Its all quite inspirational, I really must say. I do not care if you say you did not like how it turned out; I like it.
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2010
thanks... dosen't change my own views towards it... but I am happy that others find them pleasing to watch... thanks...
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DSil Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2007  Student General Artist
Wow! Amazing level of detail in the town below. I like the dragon's pose as well.
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ajder Featured By Owner Oct 7, 2007
thanks... it was my first atempt at a bird's eye view of a cityscape... ( amn... ok... townscape... whatever... )
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Rastaban26 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2007  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Amazing. I like this image. The dragon is beautiful. The details nad shading are great
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ajder Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2007
thanks...
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Khyrsanth Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2007
*gasps* The Details are AMAZING! Really great pencil drawing, great shading, this is a wonderful pic. I love the dynamics a lot, and i don't even want to know how long it took you to draw this (well... maybe i do, just curious... guess you needed a very long time for the backround?)

Instant-Fav :D
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2007
the pic isn't so great... it lacks in too many places to be great... but thanks anyways.

anyways, I never time my pics... but they ysually take long because I am usually very laisy... it's surprisingly difficult topick up a pencill and draw...
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Khyrsanth Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2007
Hehe i know, i am lazy too. Wish i had the patience to draw such detailed backrounds, for me it's still amazing even if you think that it's not that good. ;)
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2007
thanks... I wish I could see things in a more positive light...
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jubaelula Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2007
Great vision!
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2007
thanks...
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faile35 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2007   Traditional Artist
I'll tell you what I love about this picture: That walled village/city is pure genius. The shadows, the architecture, the depth, the perspective, the layout--it's all very impressive. Very cool! =D You say you want "advanced critique," but all I can think of is that perhaps the dragon (and rider) should be drawn in slightly higher contrast (you've got the darkest darks in the two figures, but not the lightest lights). Doing so would probably push the ultra-impressive village back a bit, and bring the figures/subjects more importance. =) Still, I love the design of that dragon, too--it does look like she's falling to the side instead of plummeting straight down toward the ground, but I don't mind that too much. The picture still works really well as it is, I think. =D :thumbsup:
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2007
I must say that I am surprised that an artist as good as you would like my crappy pics... your own art is incredibly well drawn... if I could only reach half of your level... but alass... that's not to be...

As for your suggestion about the lights and darks on the dragoness... well... it's right... but there's nothing I can do about it now...
Still I am trying to implement that in to an upcoming pic that has another airborn dragon...and that time I tryed to add bolth the lights and the darks... so creating a proper contrast on the winged beauty that is the dragon... but I do have a question... what of the background??? should I go with very light shading on the background and live the really soft pencills only for the dragon? SO far I only used say B pencill on the background and up to 8B on the dragon... you think I should use softer pencills on the background as well, or just let it light so that the dragon will stand out from it???
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faile35 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2007   Traditional Artist
For drawings like this one, I think you should leave the background light, for the most part, and use the heavier pencils on the figure/foreground. You can still place LOTS of interesting detail in the background, but it won't pull the viewer's eye away from the subject as much until the viewer has really studied the dragon enough to want to move away. And, make no mistake, I love the anatomy on this dragon--it's worth being shown off a little more before my eye wants to jump to that awesome village. "crappy pics," indeed. These aren't "crappy pics" at all! This is very, very impressive. :nod: I thank you for the praise, anyway. =)
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2007
here's the pic in question... how do you think I should takle it further...

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faile35 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2007   Traditional Artist
That's a cool one, and another good use of dramatic background. My suggestions:

1. Make the entire dragon as dark as the darkest portion of its front, right foreleg, with lots of highlights that are as bright as the brightest portion of the same leg, and leave relatively few grays in between.
2. Keep the sky as bright as it currently is, with a slight suggestion of shaded clouds, and darken all land below the horizon to the value of the gray just inside the lower-right shoreline of the lake. I'm assuming the ground is covered in snow, but if it's not and that is supposed to be grass and dirt and such, than I'd darken all of the ground to the level of the average darkness of the trees in the lower right-hand corner.
3. Lighten up the lake--unless the surface is really choppy and wind-torn, it should be reflecting the bright sky, which would be almost as bright as snow on the ground, and brighter if the ground isn't covered with snow.
4. Make the outer edges of the dragon's wings darker than the interior portions.

Those are my suggestions, but they are not "right." They are just the way I would approach it if I were drawing that picture. I trust that anyone who could get that picture to this point is already skilled enough to see how to effectively finish it in his own, "right" way. =) Looks good! Keep it up. =)
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2007
well... interesting suggestions but fact is that I actually used a photographic referance for the background... it was a colored photo wich I grayscaled to see what kaind of values there were... the absolute darkest was the lake... almost pitchblack... then there was the sky wich was clear bright blue in colore turned in to a rather dark gray in grayscale... darker then the grass and forests... so in grayscale... the sky is actually darker then the ground... wich baffeles me... how am I sapposed to go about this?

I'm also affraid I do not troully understand the thing about making the dragon compleetly dark with highlights here and there... by doing that would I not end up with the exact same problem I did in the cerebral hypoxia pic above?

The grass will get a little shade... just bearly though...

as for the wings... that's the triky part... I kainda know from were the light is coming from but I fail to understand how it would react and what shadows ( if any ) would be left...

this is also my first atempt in trying out a more abstract way of depicting forests... up untill now I would have drawn each individual tree... needless to say that did not yeald good resoults at all...
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faile35 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2007   Traditional Artist
Okay, in spite of the fact that you're using a reference, I stand by my suggestions--those are the things I would do. In my opinion, putting a dynamic and stunning dragon into a pre-existing reference pic will most likely not be as effective as if the background were altered to better display the dynamic dragon. I would depart from the reference photo to some degree, therefore, or perhaps combine that reference you are using with other similar reference photos.

Above all, do what you think/feel is best. I just think the brightest and darkest parts of the picture should both be on the central dragon. =)
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ajder Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2007
well... I'll try that... but at this point it's mostly trial and errore... but thanks for the suggestions.
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meerle Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2007
wow amazing perspective here. love how you did the castle and that's very good dark shaidng on the dragon :)
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2007
and yet the dragton dosen't stand out one bit... what could I have doen here to make the dragon stand out more anyways?
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meerle Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2007
ahh I see what you mean, I guess that's because the background is so detailed, all the attention goes to the background. you chose to shade your dragon very dark whcih was a good choice and helps to make it stand out. I don't think it'll be possible to make it stand out alot more using pencils but perhaps thickening the outlines of the dragon will help (however they're pretty dark already)
you could always use another medium to make the dragon stand out more but i don't think that's a good idea, I think it'll ruin the pic cause its all pencils now
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2007
no no no, I didn't refear what I could do to make THIS pic look better... but rather, whast I SHOULD HAVE DOEN and didn't... were's the point that I whent wrogn with this that it ended up so terrible?
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meerle Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2007
oh I see, well in that case you should have made the background less detailed and more faded. the dragon is moving so we would see a blurry background especially because we're focusing on the dragon :)
hope that helps :)
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2007
Well, there's nothing more that can be done about it... hopefully in future pics I will fair better... though unlikelly...
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meerle Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2007
sure, that's why it's so hadny to have people comment on your works here :)
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 16, 2007
well, problem is finding the right people to ocmment... still, of all the other art sites I have art posted on, DA is the one I get the most constructive comments on... though not quite the same traffic.
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Ksar Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2007  Professional Digital Artist
I think here it was possible to use more assymetry in pose of dragon. It would be more interesting... i like detailing..)
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2007
I tryed... and failed... it's as simple as that...
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purplegoldfish Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2007
wow...the details-Incredible!!
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2007
thanks...
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illogan Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2007  Professional Traditional Artist
wow!
i love this drawing! So much movement and the backdrop looks so ...real :)
You made this scene so believable. Amazing detail, even down to having the dragon's hindlegs a bit blurred to emphasize the speed he's falling at. If I were to suggest any where that needs improvement it would be to add more detail on both the man and the dragon's face. The whole drawing is packed with details EXCEPT for their faces. (which are still good don't get me wrong)
I love how you draw wings and the picture-in-picture. :)
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ajder Featured By Owner Jan 1, 2007
well, I just did not know what detaills to add... I still don't... but thanks for stoping by...
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The-Bells-of-Luin Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2006
ooh, I like this one, you do everything so very neat. The city reminds me of mine, except everything is so much neater and thought out, and the perspective looks super :D
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The-Bells-of-Luin Featured By Owner Jan 2, 2007
Yes, there is a difference between neatness and logical placement of buildings :D -definiatly got the randomness and chaos of it all down.
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ajder Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2006
well, i still tryed to keep it a little bit chaotic, like medieeval castel-towns were, do you think I managed that?
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Sheblackdragon Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
Great detail in this pic! The city is brilliant and you have done well in getting the angle of the dragon which is a hard angle indeed! Awsome work! ;)
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ajder Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2006
well, yea, but I hate it that the dragon dose not stand out as much as I wanted it to...
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RestillHabb Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2006  Student Traditional Artist
Teach me how to draw backgrounds and I will love you forever.
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ajder Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2006
well, drawing backgrounds is not difficult... you just need to know the basics, and from therer, you advance how you see fit... if you want help, I am wuilling to offer it, as I am always happy to help were I can. SO feal free to ask. The trick is to not try and adapt a background to your characters, but to adapt your characters to the background. As in, take in to acout the kaind of background you want when choosing the pose of your character ( and sketching the basic layout of it B4 you get in to detaill )... it makes things much simpler when adding the background.
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dark-dragon-Path Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2006
Horrible fate for the dragoness and her rider, such a pity at a readily avoidable fate.

Great pencil work (unless it's ink)
Only wish the image was just a little bigger to include her tail and wingtips, but i understand the limitations of a scanner, and i constantly haggle with my own :P
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ajder Featured By Owner Dec 14, 2006
nope, it's not ink... I wouldn't dare to tuch such a medium. and it's not the scanner that made the dragoness be missing her wingtips and tail... it was me... if I would have made it so that all her extremities would have fited in the pic, she would have ended up beying much smaller, and I was aiming on puting more detaill on her body, then to make a full body scene... but I guess I fayled at it... but that's not a big surprise really... this pic is really one of my worst in recent time.
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R-Eventide Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Wow, your shading just keeps getting better and better! That dragon looks great!

I'd suggest maybe fading the background a little bit to help distinguish the dragon/rider from the background. The dark shading of the dragon helps, but a little more would be good. Plus, I'd fade out the parts beyond the city walls even more as they go out in distance to help with that illusion. Maybe even fade the hills into the sky...?
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ajder Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
thanks... and indeed, that's sound advice... but a little too late for this pic... I'll keep it in mind for future pics... thanks.
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R-Eventide Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2006  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You're welcome!

That's okay. I don't expect ya to go back and change it if it's done. :)
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ajder Featured By Owner Dec 1, 2006
ok...
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