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What do you like to see in Patreon accounts? Most people only charge 1 or 2$ a month, so it isn't that unaffordable. I want to make one but unless I do mega cheap commissions there, nobody seems to care about it. So I want to try to offer better stuff. I 

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18 deviants said Step-by-Step videos Process videos!
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14 deviants said Tutorials
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9 deviants said 10% Discounts to commissionsers or people who order prints or comic books (all people who commission me will get a discount IF they have been a patron for at least one month)
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6 deviants said Brushes (if using gimp ior PS)
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6 deviants said Previews before anyone else!
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2 deviants said Full resolution images (Mine are usually 6000x by 10200px which makes images 17x11inches at 600DPI)
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1 deviant said OTHERS?!
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No deviants said Credit given to you on the credit page of each comic book I make.

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MelSebeon Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I like to see people who have Patreon actually update their Patreon with content in the first place.
I'd say all of the above sound pretty good, though! I don't really buy prints or comic books myself, but I do enjoy seeing any form of extras in a Patreon as long as it's updated frequently.
(Even if I wanted to, I have no spot to place them and they'd get coated in a healthy helping of dust. Aha.)


Things like cheaper commissions and requests seem to be the best lure.
I recommend frequent streams with some nice background music tossed in for good measure! The best way to get supporters is to actually talk with them and hang out. ;v;
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I want to stream but if I get my job as a high school art teacher I will not be able to promise them. I do stream as often as I can already and get maybe 3 or 4 viewers out of 7000+ watchers... I am on mic or I have music on. So i do not see how doing it on patreon will help.

I DID do cheaper commissions and such as a tier and it got overwhwlming for me in a sense I was having to do 50$ worh for 5$ for 3 or 4 separate people. Who wants to get paid 20$ for almost 200$ worth of art? I already have a full commission queue do that isnt an option.

I hate the idea of requests I already have enough work to do and I will not do free stuff unless I find a good reason. 

Updating frequently as in how often? Every day, once a week?
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MelSebeon Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Once a week is pretty good if you plan on running a web comic series or something in between. ;v;
Every day might be a bit too much to keep up with. One month updates are just an eternity of waiting.

It sounds like normal commissions would be better for you in the long run instead of a Patreon, though! Especially if you'd rather not be underpaid and/or don't have the speed/motivation to chuck through tons of commissions at a time.

Patreon takes a bit extra effort to keep up, and it does suck with a busier schedule.
People who pay are going to expect to see something out of it, so anything is better than nothing! Try out different extra content and see what sticks for supporters. It doesn't necessarily have to be streams or daily updates if that isn't your thing (because, obviously, none of us are robots - or at least I think so.)
Instead of cheaper commissions, how about first dibs on commission slots or something?
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
I cannot promise an update every week, but I'll update as soon as possible. It may be an update 5 days, then another 7 then maybe 3 days. I have an insanely fluctuating schedule. With multiple jobs. I'm wondering if people are really that pissy about being EXACT and on time with every update. I cannot help my schedule sometimes. I do the best I can, but sometimes I simply have no time that week. Especially if I get a rush order commission, or a large private one. I certainly have in the past tried to add extra material for being late every now and then.

One page easily takes 20 hours to produce, so that's why it might not be every single week. ono

I want extra income because commissions are not enough. I might get commissions, but I'm not getting enough to live off of, thus having 3 jobs, the comic, commissions and a real world job. I want to open a patreon since I can use that in tangent with the comic and hopefully replace my real world job.
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Moonlightelf Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
It's pretty hard for me to say, given that I don't really pay much attention to Patreon stuff... personally, it looks more or less shady to me really.
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
How does it look shady? You mean when artists offer msfw and stuff?
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Moonlightelf Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Nah, not talking about nsfw or such... it's more the payment system.

From what I've seen from Patreon, there often are "Patrons only" content, which by their skill level wouldn't take more effort or time to complete, especially if it is subject they do all the time. Now I know it takes time and money to get things done... And being able to support artist is a wonderful thing to do in itself.

What I don't really appreciate are the tiers and option to charge that fee per post/creation/thing/whatever...
The tiers... makes me feel like that's categorizing Patrons to being elitists and... well, "peasants". And while someone who can afford to give only 5$ or so gets to see only certain rewards... while someone else chucks 10 times more and gets more rewards... though while there's nothing wrong with paying so much... It makes me think that the one giving 5$ doesn't matter as much as the one that pays more, and doesn't deserve the same content.

...and don't get me started with fee per post... creation... thing... pay x amount to get only couple posts... does one even get any choice on what they see out of all those posts, or are they going to be chucked with just about anything they can afford and get disappointed over and over again, when the content isn't what they expected or wanted to even see.

...just more or less concerned about how things would work over there.
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
The reason there is a "patrons" only tab is because some people will not process payments or they won't process for a month. I use that so that people who have ACTUALLY PAID ME that month get stuff and not just those who promise to pay me. That is the reason for that button.

That is why I want to make ONE tier, so that everyone gets all content. I want it to be as fair as possible and if people want to give more, they can give any amount, as long as it is 1$ or more, they will get access to everything I post and as long as that payment has processed.

I used to do a per page payment option more as a way to prevent my patrons from being charged if I couldn't produce a page that month. I don't think 1$ per comic page would be unreasonable. ono As a creator you just which posts you charge for and which are free. I only charged for comic page posts. All the others were free. If I don't post, I don't get paid, so I saw it more as a motivator than used as a tool to take advantage of people. However like I said, I'm not doing this option, I would be doing the per month option instead and you'd likely get 3 or 4 pages a month full resolution 11x17 at 450 dpi. PLus all the other stuff I post.

Some rewards take longer to make. For example tutorials take DAYS to make. I'm sorry but I personally would LOVE to be paid for the 30 to 40 hours I make into a tutorial. I'd love to charge 5$ for people to see tutorials. It makes it more fair to me. However I'm not gonna do that because I want all my stuff to be accessible. Some tiers DO take far longer than others to produce and those people simply want a far "wage" for the time that is put into it. Now if it looks like it doesn't take long, you shouldn't judge. You aren't them and don't know all the work that goes into it.
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Galvan1c-Miscr3ation Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
I think some people put things like bases up there too, for like icons?  Idk, just stuff I've seen.
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
That extra material I'd have to go out of my way to make though... Maybe I could look into it once I reach a certain amount. I hadn't thought of that though, thanks! I'll be making a journal in a moment for a better place to discuss it all.

Thank you so much for your input!
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Galvan1c-Miscr3ation Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
That is true, it's definitely a balance of your time and their money.  And of course; I can't spare money right now but I am more than happy to offer suggestions and moral support <3
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Ahkward Featured By Owner Dec 29, 2016  Professional Traditional Artist
Aha thanks! I'll be sure to keep people up to date.
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