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Vexel gallery?  What?  Wait, we don't have a vexel gallery. Well, we will soon and that's why I'm writing this news article.

Over the next few weeks I am going to start to put together all the subgalleries for a proper vexel gallery. Yes, that means we will officially have a legitimate vexel gallery of its own. This new gallery will be in the digital gallery section in a place of its own, just like vector has its own area. Before we do that, all the categories have to be hammered out and sifted through to see which ones are needed and which ones we can live without.

First off, if you're not completely sure what a vexel image is, read this vexel description. After digging around on the net, that's a great source of information about the medium. Hats off for such a clear and easy to understand definition.

This is going to be completely new so how the other digital galleries are set up are not important. Subgalleries for the other sections might not be appropriate for a vexel section so let's start from scratch.

A minimum collection of galleries might include:

1.  People
2.  Animals
3.  Vehicles
4.  Abstract
5.  Scenery
6.  Fanart
7.  Open Format (for images that don't exactly fit in the other galleries)

The goal is to create enough diversity so all vexel art can be submitted properly, but, not so wide spread that it is difficult to maintain. In other words, keep is simple, keep it clean.

Now's your turn, let me know what you want. Not promising to use every idea but the great ones will be put in place. When you make a suggestion, think what it would be like if you had to police it. Is it too close to another subgallery, not really going to get much art posted to it, too difficult to figure out what it means? Let us together create something that we all can be proud of and enjoy browsing every day.

If you want to help, speak your opinions politely, pass the word, and fave this article so it shows up in the popular page. The more people know about this, the better it can be.
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Exhale-NL Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
So a vexel is just a rasterized vector withouth the use of gradients, or am I not understanding it?

Don't think this needs a gallery, imo.
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Einion Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
Nope, it can be something that just looks like basic vector work but is entirely pixel-based. Or it can feature a mixture of vector and raster elements (this is perhaps most common).

If the artwork is done in what is considered raster software (e.g. Photoshop, PSP) but only features vector elements then it's vector art, although one can still post to vexel sites with this kind of work if desired. The thing about vexels is that by definition one is free to mix vector and raster effects - sort of giving you the opportunity to have the best of both worlds - so it does seem a little pointless to have vector-only work posted as a vexel :)

Einion
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terf Featured By Owner Dec 10, 2006
Is that really fair to say that it's entirely pixel-based? Because When I make stuff in Photoshop, about 90% of it is vector, then things like backgrounds and spray paint brushes make up the rest. And with some text.
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Einion Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2006
I said "...it can be ...entirely pixel-based."

Einion
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Avhaz Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006  Professional Digital Artist
Nice idea :thumbsup:
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kuschelirmel Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:nod: I'm with mindfuckx on the misc.

Great to see this implemented! :w00t:
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janvanlysebettens Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
great idea..

although I would name 7. Miscellaneous instead of Open Format.. just to fit in with the rest of categories here at dA...
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Aeires Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
I've been trying to avoid using Misc because people view it as a dumping ground. However, me and Nighty have been seriously thinking of renaming the Digital Misc gallery so that stigma will be changed. Misc as a subgallery might work better as a name than Open Format. :)
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janvanlysebettens Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006  Professional Interface Designer
I've always been a fan of renaming the digital misc gallery to 'mixed media'.. for that exact reason ( as in people dumping everything they can thinking of in the misc category.. )
But at the same time I think a misc section in the vexel category would be appropriate..
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lOst-ParadigmS Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
I'm not a vexel artist in fact but I support the idea :)
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brennennn Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
I'll support it in any way possible, and hope that the people who will use this gallery enjoy it. :)
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terf Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
YEAH! this is the best idea.
I'm getting kind of pissed with dA not having one. It makes your part vectors unappreciated.
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terf Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
furthermore. I love you :giggle:
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Aeires Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
:lol: Back at'cha. :hug:
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
I'm a part-time vexel artist, however, I'm not enchanted at all by that gallery :/

I do some damn picture tracing, sometimes I paint it a bit, and sometimes manipulate it a bit, but the creative processus of vexel art is just the same as any photomanipulation, digital art painting, or vector art creation.

I never manged to see vexel art as a form of art any different from general digital/vector art, and I don't get the point of making even more galleries... the submission process is already divided enough.


Of course, that's just one opinion, and the general opinion might diverge from mine.
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Aeires Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
Did you read the description in the link? Vexel isn't exactly a photomanipulation and it definately isn't a vector because it's raster based. It differs from paintings in the style of which it is created so it's not really a part of any of those mediums.

It is, however, becoming extremely popular with a lot of people requesting a change be made. Because of this, it warrants its own section. Other sections will also benefit from this as images that really don't fit the criteria will no longer crowd them out.

But, I do value your feedback and appreciate the critique. Everything will be considered so that any change will be done as efficiently as possible with as little headaches as can be managed.
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
And by the way, when looking on Wikipedia, I see this:

Vector art category: [link]
And "Vexel" is considered a part of the vector art category...
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Aeires Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
Wikipedia is an open source website, I don't put a lot of stock on anything that is posted that allows people to make modifications to it. Nor are they they end all be all to everything that's contained in their site. They are just one voice of many, nothing more.
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
Well, yes, I know very well what vexel art is, as I was one of the first to experiment with the tracing features, and was one of those who were annoyed by "LOL ITS NOT VECTOR ART!!!:@" when I showed my works.

I've always seen vexel art is a way to evade the truth - it actually is vector art, just in a different form.

To prove that it is, I created a flash utility that could convert vexel to vector and vector to vexel with just 6 lines of coding. Can't find the file anymore, but I can redo it if that can prove my point: vexel art IS vector art as much as photomanipulation is photography. As photomanips and pictures are in the same category, why should vexel art split from the vector art category?


Anyway, if it can help, try integrating a death&macabre category too, I'm quite fond of vexel art when working with such stuff :)
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Einion Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
"I've always seen vexel art is a way to evade the truth - it actually is vector art, just in a different form."
That may be your definition but the overriding view on vexels now is that it is a style, just as laid out in the Vexels.net definition.

That's exactly how I came to view them, completely independently, from looking at the work online and seeing posted discussions and opinions on what they were and how they were created. Yes, some vexels are vector art (obviously) but some vexels are not, but look like they are, which is what fundamentally separates the two things.

This makes them distinct from vectors, which are defined purely on the basis of how they're created.

Einion
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
However vexel art fits the definition of vector art: "Art that doesen't change quality when you zoom in or out". It's not a category on its own, rather a subcategory of vector art, created by different means.



BTW, I know it might seem weird, but I'm actually pro-vexel gallery, I just want to defend the opposite point of view ^^
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heylo Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2006
However vexel art fits the definition of vector art: "Art that doesen't change quality when you zoom in or out". It's not a category on its own, rather a subcategory of vector art, created by different means.

So, myself, I am not really interested in the vector vs vexel arguement because it's just.. pointless but from the most simplest point of view (with nothing indepth - so if you think like that then um, this won't sound right :P)

When you magnify a vexel - you'll see the pixels, in a vector you won't.

Hence the vector/pixel = vexel.

[link]

Is kind of a nice explanation and graphic.
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Einion Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
"However vexel art fits the definition of vector art..."
I'm sorry, that's wrong: some vexels don't change quality when enlarged, but some do because they don't have to be created using vector tools.

Lots of them simply mimic the look of basic vector work, but are done using various selection routines. Also, vexels can (and often do) feature a mixture of vector and raster, with raster inclusions or there was some post-processing (e.g. lens flare), which mean the artwork has some inherently resolution-dependant elements.

Have a look at the discussion following on from my Journal entry if you're interested: [link]

Einion
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
Hmm... but if a vexel is made of a mixture of vector and raster, then is it still block of colors? As soon as you have pixels, you don't have block of colors anymore, and it's not vexel anymore ^^
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Einion Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006
Vexels commonly include raster backgrounds; Vexels may have a bit of brushwork too.

What's more, as I mentioned above, some vexels aren't made of vector elements at all and they're accepted by the vexelling community right alongside stuff done with the pen tool, since the consensus view is that the look is all that matters, not how it was achieved.

Einion
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Sewwy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006   Digital Artist
It's not a mixture of vector or raster, it's a raster image, made to mimik vector art.

It is completely pixel based, hense "vexel." You're right, there are no blocks of colour once you have pixels, hense why "vexel" was originated.

you need to read the vexels.net definition again.
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Aeires Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
Without getting in a pig-headed arguement, try doing photomanipulations in a darkroom without photoshop being used. Basic burn/dodge, and even overlaying can be done but some of the things that the photomanipulators are doing these days can't be done in the darkroom. In like manner, try quadrupling the size of an image in photoshop without it pixelating. There might be other software applications that can bridge the gap but in all honesty, photoshop is the overwhelming tool of choice and that's why this is happening. "LOL ITS NOT VECTOR ART!!!:@" couldn't have summed it up better why a vexel gallery needs to be created. It's always been a contention so make the playground bigger so that all the kids can play together peacefully. Believe me though, I cringe when a gallery suggestion is sent my way because the more you make, the more you have to monitor. If it can make things easier, or simpler to approach, I don't have a problem with it. Because this is such a distinct style of art, I think it will help a lot of artists.

Macabre/dark was one of the sections that came to mind so I can see that happening. :thumbsup:
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peanuthorst Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2008
That's complete and utter BS - I've been doing darkroom work for ages, and I can do many things that software these days can do by playing with chemicals and filters.
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Aeires Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2008
"Many," probably, but that's not what I said. You still can't do all what photoshop can do, which is what I said.

Really amazes me that one person with actual darkroom access, and is willing to go to such lengths brings up an incomplete argument that they believe totally justifies condemning the spirit of what was being pointed out here. Congratulations, so you can do some of the things that photoshop can do when you go into your darkroom, for the other 99.999% of the people that read this, the original assessment of the article still stands.
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
BTW, what I recall of the birth of vexel art was the idea of being vector art (means that you could zoom into it without loosing quality), but being closer to realistic figures, by tracing group of pixels together instead of hand-drawing everything.

What changes is not the result, it's the mean used...
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Sewwy Featured By Owner Nov 28, 2006   Digital Artist
No. You're very wrong.

The birth of vexel art was simply because people were pissed off with people calling non-vector images, ie: Vectors made in photoshop, psp, etc, vectors.

Vexel simply means Pixel Vector.

So no, vexel art is a style, based on many peoples vector art.
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diamondie Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2006  Professional Writer
You can make real vector art in Photoshop and Paint Shop Pro.
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Sewwy Featured By Owner Nov 29, 2006   Digital Artist
Yes, I am aware of this, however, most people do NOT make vectors in photoshop - There are only a select few who use this capability, and people were becoming frustrated with the people who were creating raster images and calling them vexels.

I should have clarified that more.
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BadFurDay Featured By Owner Nov 27, 2006
I still can't see it as a distinct style of art :/

From pioneering in this art a few years ago to now using it almost daily, I never had the feeling that I was doing anything else than vector art.

But that probably only comes from me...
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