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Now I know that I'm going to get some guff from fans of NaruSaku and IchiRuki saying, 'But Naruto and Ichigo love Sakura and Rukia and those were the first girls introduced so that means they were meant to be together.'

No it does not.  Naruto and Ichigo don't love Sakura and Rukia.  They are friends and that's it.  They wouldn't love them that way anyway.  Rukia is a spoiled brat who cries to get what she wants and Sakura is a violent fangirl who sees Naruto as second choice.

Now I know Naruto had something for Sakura in the beginning, but I don't think that was love.  Naruto grew up without anyone and wants attention.  If you were in Naruto's position, what's the best way to get attention beside pranks.  Why, the girl with bright pink hair!  I'm sure everyone would look at someone with bright pink hair.

They say actions speak louder than words and its the actions of Naruto and Ichigo that show that they care more for Hinata and Orihime more than just friends, even if they're to dense to see it.  Both Naruto and Ichigo have gone to further levels in their transformations for to save Hinata and Orihime.  Even though Naruto went Fox Cloak to get Sasuke back for Sakura and Ichigo went Visored/Semi-Visored to beat Byakuya to save Rukia, Naruto went Six-Tailed to beat Pein for what he did to Hinata and Ichigo went into his new Vasto Lorde form to kill Ulquiorra to save Orihime.

It just shows that Naruto and Ichigo went into their strongest forms for Hinata and Orihime and NOT Sakura and Rukia because there's something there.  I really hope people read this and think about it to try and understand what I'm trying to say.
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Bladeninja76 Featured By Owner Edited Apr 10, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
Do NaruSaku fans still exist? Naruto totally brushed off Sakura back in the Land of Iron, and even recently I still see people saying the same "Sakura is useless" nonsense on the Naruto Facebook page. As for IchiHime, this is the first I've heard of it and after watching up to the last anime episode and a few chapters beyond I have yet to witness any canon romance between Ichigo and... well, anyone.

I have to disagree with your statement about Rukia being a spoiled brat because I've never seen her act like that (far from it actually). I also have to disagree with your argument about transformations being indicative of romance, as I feel that the same would have happened if Ishida were swapped with Orihime or Tenten was swapped with Hinata in those situations; those heroes value their friends.

I don't think Naruhina needs defending at this point, but if the people you interact with make you think that it does need defending then I suggest you remind them of my favorite Naruhina moment besides the Pain confession: Hinata and Naruto's interaction just before the Neji fight in the Chunin Exams. In that moment, Naruto opens up to Hinata about his insecurities (which is not something I've seen him do before), and she responds with a super sweet and encouraging speech. That moment was more romantic than the entire Naruto: The Last movie in my opinion (though that's not saying much). Then you can give them the more recent example of Naruto and Hinata holding hands toward the end of the war.
(Edit: Made a correction in first sentence).
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2019
Yes there are still NaruSaku fans out there and they are still salty that they lost (and over the fact that Sakura is still useless even in Boruto).  And yes, IchiHime is a thing and even became canon when the series ended with a son named Kazui.

When you need to cry crocodile tears to get what you want and become violent if someone criticizes your drawings, then yes, Rukia is a spoiled brat.  It also really doesn't help that Kubo never hid the fact that Rukia was his favorite character, which is why she got Bankai and became the Taicho of the Thirteenth Division.

That all being said, look at the date this journal entry was made.  NaruHina (and IchiHime) might not need defending now, considering it's canon, but back then it did because of NaruSaku (and IchiRuki) toxicity.

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Graeystone Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2019
"Sakura is still useless in Boruto" - Frankly so is the rest of the female cast. (Hinata unfortunately included). The problem isn't the characters, the problem is the Publisher and the amature/unprofessional attitudes of the mangakas when it comes to writing decent female characters.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2019
Except Hinata (and a majority of the female characters for that matter) doesn't need to do anything.  Her story has been told.  Boruto is about the next generation and should focus on them.  The only reason I brought up the fact that Sakura was still useless was because of her role in the Sarada Arc.

Sarada the Broken ChildWatching Boruto on Toonami, which is on the Sarada Uchiha Arc, and it more or less reaffirms the fact that Sasuke and Sakura are shitty parents and never should have gotten together.
The Sarada Uchiha Arc, originally released as the ten chapter Naruto Gaiden: The Seventh Hokage, is the story of Sarada wanting to know who her father is and where she came from.  She tries to ask Sakura, but as usual she is of no help.  Once Sarada finds an old photo of Sasuke with Team Hawk, her confusion grows greatly from seeing Karin and she heads out to find Sasuke for answers.  When she does meet up with Sasuke for the first time, Sasuke doesn't even recognize her and tries to attack her.
Later on when Sarada meets up with Suigetsu and Juugo, a false DNA test (i.e. Suigetsu having no idea what he's doing) is done and Sarada believes that Karin is her real mother, causing her even more despair.  Of course a lot of this could have been avoided


Secondly, it's a shonen series.  A majority of the time the female characters will never be as important as the male characters, unless stated otherwise.  Series like Naruto, One Piece, and Dragon Ball will always focus on the male characters while series like Medaka Box and Claymore will focus on the female characters.

Lastly, the Naruto fandom has no right to complain about how Kishi or Shueisha handle the female characters as more than half of the fandom will gladly turn every female character into a sex toy for Naruto's pleasure.  So unless they want to be seen as hypocrites, they should just shut the fuck up.

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Graeystone Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2019
 A majority of the time the female characters will never be as important as the male characters

One Piece(which is a rarity for Shueisha in that regard), Fairy Tail, etc. Plenty of shounen(usually by Kodasha[sp?]) that have competent female leads/characters.

Ultimately it comes down to this concerning Shounen-
If you want to make a quick buck and to hell with quality then go to Shueisha.
If you actually care about your creation then go somewhere else.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Apr 13, 2019
The moment you brought up Fairy Tail, you lost all standing.  There are no competent females in that series, because they are clearly there solely for fan service.  Mishima never hid this fact, at all.  Fairy Tail is and always will be shit and should never be used as an example for anything, except for what not to do when making a manga.

And I will stick with Shueisha.  While they're not perfect, I have yet to come across a Shonen Jump series that made me want to stop reading.

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Bladeninja76 Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2019  Hobbyist General Artist
*reads date* Oh wow, I had no idea how old this journal was. Sorry, this was featured in a Naruhina group so that's how I ended up here.
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DarkSkyDream Featured By Owner Edited Jan 3, 2017
Well NaruHina and IchiHime did go canon so welp. Even have kids.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Dec 15, 2014
Considering how Kishi had always planned for NaruHina to be the end pairing, that's really not selling out to the shipping fanatics.  That's Kishi doing what he wanted to do with his story.  Now I know that you and the rest of the NaruSaku fanatics are upset because Kishi technically trolled you all, but seriously, you lost.  Get over it.

And just because Ichigo doesn't have a crush on Rukia doesn't make my comparison of her to Sakura any less meaningful.

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IchirinNoHana83 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I've never gotten into Naruto, so I can't say anything about NaruHina or otherwise. However, I love Rukia as a character. I hope RenRuki happens. I don't think Rukia is someone that whines or cries to get what she wants. She is a strong, independent woman. My ultimate OTP is IchiHime, above all other ships in Bleach or any other animes. I love each character. Hating on a character is up to whoever wants to, but it annoys the hell out of me. Kubo took time in developing each character with loving care. I, for one, love that. Ichigo belongs with Orihime, but Rukia is still a good person.
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HyuugamariaHinata Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Student Photographer
Well, I like Naruhina... But I'm Ichiruki xD but know that you said Ichihime isa couple more similar to Naruhina... It's weird that I got to prefer IchiRuki xD but I don't care
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LadyMiimi Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
See darling, my OTPs are Ichihime and Sasusaku, and I ship Renruki and Naruhina too, but fi you dare to relay hate upon Sakura and Rukia again I'm really not going to be nice. Even if you want to show that NH and IH are the "real ships" ecverything you say will be meaningless if you start hating on characters. Not just NS or IR will get md at you but also NH and IH fans and people who don't ship anything. Next time don't send hate, its annoying and it's not true.

"Rukia is a spoiled brat who cries to get what she wants and Sakura is a violent fangirl who sees Naruto as second choice."
Rukia is a spoiled brat who cries? Are you serious?Do you read the same manga as me? SHe isn't a spoiled brat, she actually fights for what she wants, and th only time I remember I saw her crying was when Byakuya recognized her.
Sakura isn't a violent fangirl, her character depelopment is really far from you comprehension. And Naruto is not her second choice, she's not a bitch, she is in love and won't do that to Naruto, that's like a brother to her.

Maybe I have been mean, but it just got me really mad. People like you are the ones that give a bad image of IH and NH fans.
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CrEyeLoveToDraw1995 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Student Writer
I find it really annoying that while you support NaruHina and IchiHime, you relay hate upon Sakura and Rukia. Let me tell you my friend that no character deserves hate. There are there for a reason. 

In Naruto, most say Sakura is a character that is obsessed with Sasuke and only gets in the way when it comes to a fight. Now, let me tell you this. Sakura's character is not annoying. In the series she's described as a very talented ninja, first in her class (female) and when it comes to fighting she's often cast aside because the boys, Naruto and Sasuke, have this syndrome that all anime boys have, called "knight-in-shinning-armor". Now at first she might have been conflicted about fighting, but in time her character developed in an amazing fighter. She became a medic ninja because she felt useless (I still blame the boys on that part) and she wanted to not be held back by them. You say Sakura is a "violent fangirl", while most might be true (the violent part...*shudders*), let's not forget that she's the one who always saved their asses every single damn time with her damn medic-ninjutsu. As for the fangirl, let me tell you the case is just like you said about the IchiHime theory. SasuSaku one-sided love was there from the beggining and it's canon. It was there from the start, it begun with a crush and attraction and then bloomed into something called love. She never saw Naruto as the second choice, if so she would have encouraged him that he may have a chance with her. She was his first crush, that's why Naruto couldn't look at any other girl differently. Because as a first love, she was kinda number one in his heart (like everyone else).
And let's not forget that Hinata was also a fangirl. She stalked Naruto everywhere and watched him from afar, but even though it was creepy at first (come on, we all thought that.) she learned and tried with him. The "ninja way" Naruto always mumbled passed on to her and she started training to get stronger and catch up to him. And in the fight against Pein, I think that it was coincidental that Hinata was there. Naruto transformed to the Kyuubi because Hinata was pierced and thought of being dead, yes. But till then, Hinata was one of his friends, nakama. All of the Rookie 9+Team Guy are dear to him, so I think that either Hinata, Kiba, Shino, Shikamaru, Ino, Choji, Sakura, Lee, Tenten or Neji being pierced, Naruto would have gone berserk too. Imagine in Hinata's place being Konohamaru... He is thought of being Naruto's little brother. Imagine him being pierced. What would you think it would have happened?

The same in Bleach. You say Rukia is a spoiled brat who cries to get what she wants. I don't know about you but I've never seen Rukia cry. Maybe when she was forced to kill Kaien. And maybe when Ichigo, Renji or Byakuya were severely injured... Yes she is hotblooded, yes she is prone to injure Ichigo and Renji, but she's only doing that because she needs them to get over whatever they are depressed about and get on. Rukia is a strong character and amazing and you shouldn't hate her just because she is the female lead and paired with Ichigo. Rage blinds people from seeing the usefulness of the character. Rukia represents one half of Ichigo's power. She ignited them when she gave him hers in the first episode (because they were dormant). She's his will and keeps him level-headed when he's moping around (after the fight with Yammi). I believe there was an attraction at first, but because Renji butted in his smexy ass, their relationship remained on a brotherly-sisterly way. They are best friends and act like it. Besides, Rukia is the first IchiHime supporter, people should take example from her. She already knew Orihime's feeling for Ichigo and Orihime had wormed into her heart and now she's her best female friend. She helped Orihime get stronger when they went in SS. 
Rukia is representing everyone's will, I believe. She knows exactly what it needs to be said when it's needed. She just has a violent way of saying them. And the woman is STRONG. Tell me, would a "spoiled brat" manage to kill her beloved lieutenant (who she admired) because he asked her? Would a "spoiled brat" surrender to save her friend from being killed? Would a "spoiled brat" barge into another world to save her best female friend knowing she might die in the process? Would a "spoiled brat" defeat an Espada (even though he was number 9 he still WAS a freaking ESPADA) with JUST her SHIKAI? Both Ichigo and Renji had to go into Bankai and battle the same opponent twice or more (Yammi, Ulquiorra, Grimjaw etc.) in order to finally defeat them. I think she was quite awesome when she defeated ArruNierro (or what's-his-name-was) and STILL had the will to move because Orihime NEEDED HER.

So please. 
Don't tell me or any other true fan of both Bleach and Naruto that Rukia, Sakura or anyone else is useless.
They are all awesome, and if they were annoying the mangakas wouldn't have bothered to actually create them.
Thank you.
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biti1999 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2016
i totally fucking agree with you 
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nightmarerei Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Naruhina is already cannon all that's left is Ichihime.
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JulCan1987 Featured By Owner Edited Sep 24, 2016
IchiHime is also canon now. In the end, the girls with the big breasts ended up getting what they wanted.
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nightmarerei Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
ichihime for the win!
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JulCan1987 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2016
Yup, just like I said, in the end, the girl with the big breasts got what she wanted.
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nightmarerei Featured By Owner Sep 29, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
It's about time.
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WhiteFoxKitsune88 Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
totally agree
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angelbattler Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
You make good arguments and a couple years ago, I would've supported this ALL the way.  But in recent events, I just don't give a damn about Bleach OR Naruto anymore, or any pairings from either anymore.  If Naruto gets with Hinata... it won't affect me in any way anymore.
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DJHermo Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
I couldn't agree more
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Shukketsu-Hai Featured By Owner Edited Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
outoftheflames.See, and that's what I'm trying to point out. Now, I'm not a big fan of the anime Naruto. However, I'm a fan of Bleach, and in my opinion, IchiHime seems more possible then IchiRuki. This isn't because I simply find the ship cute, it's because it's more logic and makes more sense.
Now, people aren't fans of IchiHime because some people think that Orihime is useless and doesn't help, when in reality, she does. Without her, not just Ichigo but a majority of the soul reapers wouod be dead. Her healing and shielding power plays a big role in the anime. It's true that Ichigo wouldn't have become a shinigami without Rukia, but without Orihime, Ichigo would be in a position where he feels like he failed, like the scene where Orihime went to Hueco Mundo. People said "he was just feeling guilty."
Just guilty? He was depressed.
He wasn't like that with Rukia, as I've come to notice. He was sad, yes, but he became more determined to save her then become depressed. Plus, half of IchiHime is canon; it's stated in the series that Orihime is in love with Ichigo, so even though it's one-sided, her feeling for him is canon. There's no side in IchiRuki that's canon. I only see them as a loyal brother and sister type relationship.
So thank you, finally someone sees my point of view in this.
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Gabrellaa Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I don't understand why you put IH and NH together... They are totally different ship in my opinion!
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
How so?  Both Hinata and Orihime are sweet and kind girls who would put the needs of others before their own, while Naruto and Ichigo are both strong warriors who will push themselves to the limit to protect there precious people.  If anything, NaruHina and IchiHime are more alike than most pairings.

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Gabrellaa Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Sakura and Rukia are also sweet and kind girls who would put the needs of others before their own... I personally think that Orihime and Hinata are different from each other that's it! In the end you have your own opinion and I'm going to respect that!
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
...Have we been reading the same manga?  'Cause at most times Sakura and Rukia have been two-faced (Sakura) or used crocodile tears (Rukia) for their own needs (mostly Sakura) and disregarded others.

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Gabrellaa Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They never disregarded others... I seriously don't understand why you'd say that! I'm not saying that they are better than Hinata and Orihime but they are for sure not worse.
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jamcalx Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
plus sakura has major anger issues. rukia's relationship with ichigo is very much the professional partnership at least and close familial friendship at most like a buddy cop film.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Nov 5, 2014
Rukia tends to have anger issues as well, especially when someone makes comments about her "art".

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jamcalx Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
but she not super destructively violent and abuse.
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Ability-King-KK Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
Yes, because her constantly hitting Ichigo because he does something she doesn't like isn't abuse.

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jamcalx Featured By Owner Nov 6, 2014
it a fine line between lap stick and brutality. their more of a back and for between ichigo and rukia, sakura didn't hold back on using her super strength. if it was simple slap upside the head ala gibs on ncis then ok, but if it get in to naru from love hina then its going to far.
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princesskatara Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2012
agreed
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TomNamikaze Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2012
It's so rare to see a fan of both NaruHina and IchiHime. Most people I know are NH and IR fans, and that's just because they're the most popular pairings.
Anyway, i think you could have elaborated more on your rant, it felt somewhat trivial, because it's just stating the obvious.
I do not agree, though, with your mini-rant about Rukia and Sakura. I fail to see how Rukia is a spoiled-brat or even cries to get what she wants, and Sakura never really saw Naruto as a second choice, she didn't even see him as a choice to start with.
I think that, to make this seem a little less bias, you should have explained the bond between Naruto and Sakura, and Ichigo and Rukia. They are very powerful bonds that easily come off as a brother-sister relationship.
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alannacrystal Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Yay! Another fan who likes IchiHime and NaruHina just like I do. You took the words right out of my mouth. That is exactly why I think Naruto and Ichigo may well be developing feelings for Hinata and Orihime. I have had my head bitten off by IchiRuki and NaruSaku fans for saying the kind of logical and truthful things you write about here regarding the differences between the pairings and how IchiRuki and NaruSaku have good friendships which will not develop into love.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2010
Dude this journal sounds a little bias... But I love it. But it's true Naruto and Ichigo got stronger for Hinata and Orihime.
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Megaman1218 Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2010
another thing, naruto promised sakura, didnt say any kind of thing to hinata, and ichigo thought he OWED rukia. more proof. good job KK.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2010
What's up homie. Another NaruHina and IchiHime fan right here.
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Megaman1218 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2010
w00t! go us! amen.
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Supyloco Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2010
Haha.
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